Mt St Gwinear Snow Report

8:10am - 22 Sep 2019       
Surface Condition Soft
Snow Depth (Natural) 40cm
Snowfall (Last 24hrs) 1cm
Today's Weather: Max °c

Surface Condition

Soft

Conditions

Snow Cover

Limited

Grooming Summary

Main trail groomed 9/9/2019

Road Condition

Open and Clear

Snowfall History

22 Sep 20191cm
17 Sep 20191cm
16 Sep 20192cm

Announcements

5cm at carpark Parks Victoria will not be in attendance today (Sunday) Car-park & toilet facilities remain open for visitors Food van open. Toboggan runs CLOSED. Road clear, not fitting chains. Further information at: https://parkweb.vic.gov.au/explore/parks/baw-baw-national-park/things-to-do/st-gwinear-visitor-area

Updated: 08:10 22/09/2019

Trail Status Grooming Date Groomed
Main TrailBroken CoverNone09/09/19
Summit TrailNear Complete CoverNone09/09/19
Cascades TrailModerate CoverNonen/a
Tullicouty TrailNear Complete CoverNoneNot Marked
Saints TrailNear Complete CoverNoneNot Marked
Tanjil TrailNear Complete CoverNonen/a

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Mister Tee on XC Skis
4/10/19 - 10:30pm
chriscross: Strongly suggest you take bb bel up on his generous offer. I understand he is a ski instructor (with some unconventional ideas about technique, but that's ok with me) who could give valuable advice. WC instructors are also good (some are Olympic athletes) but you have to get to FC, then ski up to the bowl. Mount BB is much closer with moderate terrain and here is an expert offering to guide you. Go with it!
There is a chance that this could happen on 9/10/19 as well as in 2020. It looks like there will be enough snow falling on 8/10/19 Link to warrant a rock hopper ski day on 9/10/19 after the resort at BB shuts its white season operations.@bawbawbel has shown some interest in such an excursion, a last hurrah for 2019 on planks.
chriscross
4/10/19 - 4:03pm
Strongly suggest you take bb bel up on his generous offer. I understand he is a ski instructor (with some unconventional ideas about technique, but that's ok with me) who could give valuable advice. WC instructors are also good (some are Olympic athletes) but you have to get to FC, then ski up to the bowl. Mount BB is much closer with moderate terrain and here is an expert offering to guide you. Go with it!
Mister Tee on XC Skis
4/10/19 - 12:11am
bawbawbel: Parks have been lumbered with looking after the "greatly expanded" National Parks. Without extra funding, what a joke. I like your style. Leaders should be the best skiers. Free conversion from snowplough to gliding wedge should we meet at BB next season. :)
I need to sharpen my downhill turning technique so that I can Stem Christie turn with more confidence, learn the hockey stop and convert it to parallel skidded turns and perhaps evolve into a telemark turn. I need some lessons and I 'm willing to drill these things at Mt. BB next season on NNN BC gear using the cheap lift ticket that is available on Wednesdays. The Poma run at Dinner Plain is not too steep for this Nordic plodder and could be handy when I do my annual JB Hut trip. I need to get more control and confidence so I can XC the BC with more safety and more enjoyment and less trepidation and fewer faceplants :-0 etc. I am willing to pay for lessons from coaches/instructors at Windy Corner, but if experienced forum members just want to ski with me and give me some tips then that would be good too. I will be actively trying to increase my skills and technique next season. I am watching ski instruction videos on 'you tube ' now that I am not skiing all the time.
bawbawbel
3/10/19 - 10:49pm
Mister Tee on XC Skis: Comrade, I quite agree with your thoughts there but don't hold your breath for Parks Vic. to do anything at all. They have NO MONEY. . The best we can do as skiers who enjoy that region for XC skiing is learn the terrain well and navigate without poles. Avoiding the steep and narrow black run on Mt. St. Phillack is potentially time consuming if you become slightly geographically embarrassed. However we can only hope for such good spring snow cover next year. It is a scenic and challenging place to B.C. XC ski and tests some skiers' skills of XC skiing and off track navigation.
Parks have been lumbered with looking after the "greatly expanded" National Parks. Without extra funding, what a joke. I like your style. Leaders should be the best skiers. Free conversion from snowplough to gliding wedge should we meet at BB next season. :)
Mister Tee on XC Skis
30/9/19 - 6:11pm
chriscross: The "Saints" trail, usually marked with blue stakes, is the best way to avoid the "steep and narrow black run on Mt St Phillack" but it can be hard to locate. There is also some very pleasant "intermediate" type terrain between Phillack saddle and Tullicouty Glen but you have to travel a way to get out there from either MSG or BB and conditions need to be right. I think the volunteer ski patrollers operating from MSG sometimes mark these temporary trails.
My friend and I found some stashes of temporary poles near Camp Saddle and near Freeman's Flat , just lying idle. This was on 17/9/19. There was still a lot of snow in the back country. I thought it was a shame that these pole lines and poles were not being put to good use.
chriscross
30/9/19 - 2:58pm
The "Saints" trail, usually marked with blue stakes, is the best way to avoid the "steep and narrow black run on Mt St Phillack" but it can be hard to locate. There is also some very pleasant "intermediate" type terrain between Phillack saddle and Tullicouty Glen but you have to travel a way to get out there from either MSG or BB and conditions need to be right. I think the volunteer ski patrollers operating from MSG sometimes mark these temporary trails.
Mister Tee on XC Skis
28/9/19 - 3:17pm
Goski: I think that's a lame excuse from Parks. No reason bar a) laziness or b) such a dire lack of resources that no staff able to use a day of their time that they couldn't place the poles whenever the snow depth became sufficient. Pretty simple. 1. Wait for snow to fall. 2. Place the temp snow trail marker poles i e. Do your job please Parks.....next year.
Comrade, I quite agree with your thoughts there but don't hold your breath for Parks Vic. to do anything at all. They have NO MONEY. . The best we can do as skiers who enjoy that region for XC skiing is learn the terrain well and navigate without poles. Avoiding the steep and narrow black run on Mt. St. Phillack is potentially time consuming if you become slightly geographically embarrassed. However we can only hope for such good spring snow cover next year. It is a scenic and challenging place to B.C. XC ski and tests some skiers' skills of XC skiing and off track navigation.
Goski
28/9/19 - 2:05pm
I think that's a lame excuse from Parks. No reason bar a) laziness or b) such a dire lack of resources that no staff able to use a day of their time that they couldn't place the poles whenever the snow depth became sufficient. Pretty simple. 1. Wait for snow to fall. 2. Place the temp snow trail marker poles i e. Do your job please Parks.....next year.
Mister Tee on XC Skis
26/9/19 - 7:14pm
Goski: Don't think the temp ones have been marked for years.
The Parks Vic. employee on the day on 17/9/19 told me that they do mark the temporary pole lines if there is enough snow early in the season. There was not a sufficient amount to warrant this exercise in early July so nothing was done. Then The BB area received a huge deep snow fall in August that set it up for XC skiing until mid-late September. Having no temporary pole lines meant skiing the BC was an adventure for those who do not know the terrain very well. There are some superb snow plains and clear descents out there. I shall return in 2020.
Goski
26/9/19 - 6:58pm
Mister Tee on XC Skis:
I am tempted to have another go at skiing from MSG to BB Village and back on Tuesday next week. This is what The Main Trail and trail report sign looked like last Sunday 8/9/19 at MSG. It is shame that temporary pole lines that skirt around the narrow Mt. St. Phillack summit trail pole lines are not marked/ in place this ski season. Link
Don't think the temp ones have been marked for years.
chriscross
26/9/19 - 5:15pm
Shhh! Don't tell everyone about the bawbaws or they'll all be down here from NSW. There'll be hordes of them out there (looking for the secret steeps).
Mister Tee on XC Skis
25/9/19 - 8:50pm
I was up at the a lot. I need to learn when to quit while I am in front .The snow cover on Westerly and Northern facing slopes at the KNP was largely cooked. :-0 .
Mister Tee on XC Skis
20/9/19 - 2:36pm
Ubiquitous Steve: Holly molly a bear trap in that picture?
There were a couple of those kind of 'bear traps' on the BB plateau this week. I skied around them with great concentration and care. One of them was near the bottom of a hill and it was not visible until one was quite near it. Thankfully I was not going too fast and just snowploughed, turned and stopped.
Ubiquitous Steve
20/9/19 - 12:25pm
Mister Tee on XC Skis: There were Good snow conditions on the Baw Baw plateaux above 1480 M. ,Quite skiable I must say ,but it is melting. It would have been on 17th September 2019.
Holly molly a bear trap in that picture?
Mister Tee on XC Skis
19/9/19 - 5:45pm
chriscross: Some nice photos there, Mr T. I admire your attitude re: getting back on the horse (skis) but do be careful- hypothermia can be very dangerous and fatigue plus icy creek is a bad combination. Can I be so bold as to make a suggestion regarding improving technique? Touring on the plateaux/high plains is great and I really enjoy it, too. But sometimes, working on downhill technique is a worthy project in itself as it will improve confidence and enhance the enjoyment and safety of a bc tour. To this end, the odd day in a downhill resort can be worthwhile and Baw Baw is in many ways an ideal place for this. Most of the terrain is relatively approachable and , once one masters a t-bar or poma lift, many options are available for moving beyond the simple ( but essential) snow plough. Practising weight transference from one ski to the other, then shifting all one's weight on to the turning ski can really improve control and, subsequently, fun. Mid-week at bb, eg wicked Wednesday like yesterday, cost $ 35.00. On top of resort entry, it still adds up, I know. But in the longer term, it becomes a worthwhile investment. Excuse me for offering unsolicited advice or sounding like a smart- @#$e. Enjoy NSW and safe skiing.
Thanks for the tips . I need to improve my technique especially for longer steeper descents and add to my basic skills. I am aiming to get lessons to this effect early in the next season so I can rehearse them all through the 2020 season. The 2019 XC ski season for me is winding down but I will go to N.S.W. and see my friend in Thredbo and ski a bit out there in the K.N.P. . I will do as you suggest regarding tuition on downhill skills at Mt. Baw Baw and I like the idea of getting more XC lessons at The Nordic Bowl at Falls Creek.
chriscross
19/9/19 - 4:48pm
Some nice photos there, Mr T. I admire your attitude re: getting back on the horse (skis) but do be careful- hypothermia can be very dangerous and fatigue plus icy creek is a bad combination. Can I be so bold as to make a suggestion regarding improving technique? Touring on the plateaux/high plains is great and I really enjoy it, too. But sometimes, working on downhill technique is a worthy project in itself as it will improve confidence and enhance the enjoyment and safety of a bc tour. To this end, the odd day in a downhill resort can be worthwhile and Baw Baw is in many ways an ideal place for this. Most of the terrain is relatively approachable and , once one masters a t-bar or poma lift, many options are available for moving beyond the simple ( but essential) snow plough. Practising weight transference from one ski to the other, then shifting all one's weight on to the turning ski can really improve control and, subsequently, fun. Mid-week at bb, eg wicked Wednesday like yesterday, cost $ 35.00. On top of resort entry, it still adds up, I know. But in the longer term, it becomes a worthwhile investment. Excuse me for offering unsolicited advice or sounding like a smart- @#$e. Enjoy NSW and safe skiing.
Mister Tee on XC Skis
19/9/19 - 7:52am
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Mister Tee on XC Skis
18/9/19 - 4:32pm
There were Good snow conditions on the Baw Baw plateaux above 1480 M. ,Quite skiable I must say ,but it is melting. It would have been on 17th September 2019.
Mister Tee on XC Skis
16/9/19 - 3:23pm
tcornall: Went off to Gwinny for an overnighter at Rock Shelter this weekend 14/15 Sept. (Was thinking of sleeping in the cave, but took the tent anyway. Cave looked fine, nicely out of wind and big enough though narrow. So woosed-out and used tent). Great weather. Snow was melting fast but still enough there. The cairn on St Phillack is still buried. (Anybody know how high that cairn is? I remember it as being like chest height) A few bare patches on the main trail but not too many. Won't last though. My 'medieval torture devices' sorry, I mean Dynafit ski-boots, were much improved and with the Marker Alpinist bindings on Fischer Snowbound skis made short work of the trip up and down even with a 15 kg pack. Just one little aggravation left in the boots, which is hardly noticeable when moving. Oh, and had to make a mod to stop the boot-liner’s tongue from slipping down and being uncomfortable. That was new. Almost fell into the creek and drowned (well, one foot got wet) when a snow-bridge collapsed under me. (It was very deep too, there actually was a real possibility of danger…) Note to self: Approach alongside the creek to get water, not at the end of a lead which might continue on under the snow. Were quite a few people taking advantage of the last of the season. Whole herds of footprints going up Phillack. Discovered that time-lapse cameras actually need to be pointing at the subject. (Got an interesting 10 minute timelapse of a tree instead of me putting up the tent…) That's me for 2019 and a great season it was. Terry
I am going up to MSG tomorrow for my last 2019 VIC ski day. I will report back.
tcornall
16/9/19 - 3:17pm
Went off to Gwinny for an overnighter at Rock Shelter this weekend 14/15 Sept. (Was thinking of sleeping in the cave, but took the tent anyway. Cave looked fine, nicely out of wind and big enough though narrow. So woosed-out and used tent). Great weather. Snow was melting fast but still enough there. The cairn on St Phillack is still buried. (Anybody know how high that cairn is? I remember it as being like chest height) A few bare patches on the main trail but not too many. Won't last though. My 'medieval torture devices' sorry, I mean Dynafit ski-boots, were much improved and with the Marker Alpinist bindings on Fischer Snowbound skis made short work of the trip up and down even with a 15 kg pack. Just one little aggravation left in the boots, which is hardly noticeable when moving. Oh, and had to make a mod to stop the boot-liner’s tongue from slipping down and being uncomfortable. That was new. Almost fell into the creek and drowned (well, one foot got wet) when a snow-bridge collapsed under me. (It was very deep too, there actually was a real possibility of danger…) Note to self: Approach alongside the creek to get water, not at the end of a lead which might continue on under the snow. Were quite a few people taking advantage of the last of the season. Whole herds of footprints going up Phillack. Discovered that time-lapse cameras actually need to be pointing at the subject. (Got an interesting 10 minute timelapse of a tree instead of me putting up the tent…) That's me for 2019 and a great season it was. Terry

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