2013 Buller Season Pass Speculation Thread

Vermillion

Pool Room
Ski Pass
Nov 13, 2005
74,351
30,027
1,563
121
Cranhole, Melbourne, VIC
luvthabumps said:
and you're starting to give me the shits again banging on every second post about this. We get it - hey I'm disgruntled with Buller too (as you well know) but I'm more digruntled that I have to trawl through pages of crap saying the same thing over and over. We get it - you don't like it. Move along.

In case you havent noticed, skidown has a bit of a history of this sort of thing.
 
Last edited by a moderator:

FixedGrip

Kick-Ass Blaster
Ski Pass
May 31, 2005
24,703
3,421
1,027
The Chammy
Come on children...

I'd like to see some quality debate/options be put forward. Generic Buller bashing is a bit passe...
 
Remove ads with a
Ski Pass

skiflat

Old n' Crusty
Aug 10, 1999
37,434
1,506
1,063
wink.gif


The ignore button is there if you don't want to read my crap/posts/rants/information.

At the same time I am not going to bang-on about it in every thread or respond to every post on here.

Goes both ways


Vermillion said:
Now now MX, it's quite amusing to see skidown try and bully Mt Buller, as if they care what he, or any of us think.

I have already said they don't care what I or anyone on here thinks/says in principle.

However, they DO care what 25,000 people on Facebook read, and I am sure they do care about what xx,xxx people who read this forum and don't post...

Which is the fun part
smile.gif






Anyways, let's wait and see if Hotham/Falls do another Hero Pass for this year.

I am sure if they do and Buller doesn't respond in a slightly better manner than last year it will end up the same as this year has.
 
Last edited by a moderator:

TOFF

Your face is my case
Ski Pass
Aug 10, 2004
53,450
35,495
1,515
Vermillion said:
Now now MX, it's quite amusing to see skidown try and bully Mt Buller, as if they care what he, or any of us think.

Play nice all.
Buller will get there but maybe just a few years after the others.
they will have to start listening and caring or they will have a very uncrowded resort.
 
Last edited by a moderator:

FixedGrip

Kick-Ass Blaster
Ski Pass
May 31, 2005
24,703
3,421
1,027
The Chammy
I tend to agree that they will probably do nothing next year.

It's all too easy to blame any visitation issue on the poor season start, and they will no doubt roll out the standard 'premier experience' line. As i've said before, I would bite at around $800, especially if they packaged something up to include summer MTB lift access.
 

Rush

Pool Room
Jul 26, 2000
45,198
13,669
1,525
I think Buller are taking the easy money from increased day-trip visitation and telling all the skiers to get stuffed.

From a financial view, you can't really blame them. With Lake Mountain and Baw Baw now becoming unreliable snowplay venues, Buller has now has a huge new revenue stream that requires very little infrastructure to keep satisfied.
 

FixedGrip

Kick-Ass Blaster
Ski Pass
May 31, 2005
24,703
3,421
1,027
The Chammy
Makes sense to a degree.

From a quality skiing/advanced terrain POV, Buller is often quite marginal, but it's a pretty reliable snowball hill.

If that's the case, and day trippers are the cream, why not throw a deal out to SP buyers anyway to keep them happy and minimise leakage? I guess 'captive audience' addresses that.
 

Vermillion

Pool Room
Ski Pass
Nov 13, 2005
74,351
30,027
1,563
121
Cranhole, Melbourne, VIC
PG said:
I think Buller are taking the easy money from increased day-trip visitation and telling all the skiers to get stuffed.

From a financial view, you can't really blame them. With Lake Mountain and Baw Baw now becoming unreliable snowplay venues, Buller has now has a huge new revenue stream that requires very little infrastructure to keep satisfied.

How many weekends since the season started has LM and BB NOT had sufficient snowplay snow compared to Buller? Your quest to ensure LM and BB are completely off the radar as snowplay venues, which underlies your desire to push your climate change views on to everyone else, is showing through quite glaringly.

I'm pretty sure teckel will tell you that LM has been open for snowplay since the season started on almost every weekend (might have missed a few though).
 
Last edited by a moderator:

absentskier

Smug bozo
Ski Pass
Jun 10, 2010
29,758
21,774
1,063
Melbourne
Baw Baw has actually had a decent season. Not huge snow depth, but they don't need a deep cover for skiing, let alone toboggans.
 

Stratus

A Local
Apr 22, 2005
8,168
474
463
Melbourne
The introduction of the cheap mid week pass to try and distribute the customer base was a good one, alas poorly executed.
 

CarveMan

Tremendous Slouch
Ski Pass
May 12, 2000
89,592
83,543
1,515
Les Hautes Montagnes
aussieskier.com
MickM said:
Stratus said:
Empty chairs going up from BB1 because the BTag gates create a bottle neck. Yet 15min queue waits. Shameful.

BUllers Beeeter.

First mistake there, never use BB1.

Totally agree, but have a think about the proportion of overnight accommodation that's reliant on BB1 as their first lift of the day.
 
Last edited by a moderator:

vet

One of Us
Dec 8, 2009
1,170
0
186
www.angliss.edu.au
Maybe it'd help to have btags you can hole-punch, and put them on lanyards so they're not next to mobile phones and credit cards.

And move the gates back 5m or more so people with the unreadable btag have time to catch up with their friends.
 

Sadie

Chk Chk Boom
Moderator
Ski Pass
Aug 31, 2001
14,002
9,328
813
Melbourne
Madski said:
Simply fix to this would be one lifty allocated to making 4's from 8.45!!!

One of the reasons why there are more than two people at the bottom of Blue Bullet.

It does not take two lifties to operate a chair. One should be out front orchestrating and also keeping an eye on if the other lifty needs assistance.

As for riding the chair up with your mates, if you snooze you lose. Can't get yourself organised, you can meet your mate up the top and make some new mates on the way up.
 
Last edited by a moderator:

Petesguitar1

Hard Yards
Aug 10, 2008
725
0
66
Visit site
Well, looks like they will push me ever closer to not buying a pass next year. I can understand all the economic rationalizing etc, but the customer service is terrible. I bought a mid-week pass for $600 as an early bird. First time in 5 years that I haven't forked for the whole thing. I got about 8 lift rides over 2 rain soaked half days earlier in the season and then found out I would be traveling for work. I called to find out if I could maybe get a pro rata refund.

Now I don't mind if someone just says no to me, that's fine. I don't like it, but those are the rules. What I can't stand is 4 phone calls, 2 emails and as a last resort facebook messages - all unanswered. I finally got on to someone that told me if I could provide a medical certificate I could get a credit towards next years pass.

Way to encourage me to bring my new family to the snow!
 
benchives said:
cm said:
As per Ian's new rules we need to keep the pics/report/info thread factual.
benchives said:
I don't disagree with admin intentions anyone can see this site needs to be profitable, I just find it odd that admins don't realize that it is because of banter threads that content becomes valuable, take away the banter and you have snowwatch.

What the?! Good Lawd people are gonna think we're here for snow and skiing! I'm just here for the testosterone.
wink.gif
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Remove ads with a
Ski Pass

skiflat

Old n' Crusty
Aug 10, 1999
37,434
1,506
1,063
You beat me by 1 min

I am SAD

So Mt Buller is now the only mountain without a DEAL
 

smitty484

Old n' Crusty
Ski Pass
Apr 27, 2006
23,572
8,489
1,025
34
London, previously Brisbane
Buller has some deals.

1. Buy one full priced day ticket and get another day ticket at full price.

2. Buy an overpriced season pass with unlimited full priced day tickets for any friends and family.
 

snowgum

A Local
Ski Pass
May 4, 1999
7,317
6,263
563
55
vic
Stratus said:
Falls and Hotham announced today the Hero pass is back at the same price for 2013.

I notice with the advent of all the season pass deals that day & half day tickets are starting to look even more expensive and for ad hoc skiing there's not many alternatives except perhaps going XC or staying at home.

Oh for a 5 day anytime priced at around say $75-$80 per day of 5 half days at around $60 per day <sigh!>

Back to my dream!
 
Last edited by a moderator:

Seth

I am figure skating
Ski Pass
Jun 6, 2000
45,374
27,466
1,525
The Higher Ground
Sadie said:
Madski said:
Simply fix to this would be one lifty allocated to making 4's from 8.45!!!

One of the reasons why there are more than two people at the bottom of Blue Bullet.

It does not take two lifties to operate a chair. One should be out front orchestrating and also keeping an eye on if the other lifty needs assistance.

A lift like BB1 needs two people on the ramp because of all the beginners and kids. They tend to not move that quickly to the load line and generally require way more assistance.
 
Last edited by a moderator:

Sadie

Chk Chk Boom
Moderator
Ski Pass
Aug 31, 2001
14,002
9,328
813
Melbourne
Seth said:
Sadie said:
Madski said:
Simply fix to this would be one lifty allocated to making 4's from 8.45!!!

One of the reasons why there are more than two people at the bottom of Blue Bullet.

It does not take two lifties to operate a chair. One should be out front orchestrating and also keeping an eye on if the other lifty needs assistance.

A lift like BB1 needs two people on the ramp because of all the beginners and kids. They tend to not move that quickly to the load line and generally require way more assistance.

Which is why I said watching to see if the other lifty needs assistance. Having someone out there orchestrating enables the lifties to get a feel of who is in line. See some kids come through, go and help with the load. See worse than normal beginners, help with load.

Generally, yes you would have two people at the ramp, but there should always be someone out there orchestrating as well. You get some stupid stuff going on in the queue race for BB1 and there needs someone out there keeping an eye on it.

I also said that it does not take two lifties to "operate" a chair. I have been there where there have been 3 lifties inside. Two on one side of the controls. The reason there are more than 2 stationed there is so that someone can be outside!

Reason I know this? I've worked it
smile.gif
 
Last edited by a moderator:

Stratus

A Local
Apr 22, 2005
8,168
474
463
Melbourne
Agree ^

At Falls Creek, at the bottom of Falls Express which never gets crowded anything like BB1 does, there was an Orange vest customer service dude, 2 lifties at the gates and a furthur two lifties at loading on top of the 2 staff scanning tickets. That's 7 staff at bottom of one lift!!

Besides all of them saying hello to you, everyone seemed to work together to get the queues sorted and helped beginners who had trouble keeping up in the lines.
 

vet

One of Us
Dec 8, 2009
1,170
0
186
www.angliss.edu.au
This isn't shabby imo:

3 Day Any Day pass - online ONLY offer

Available for purchase online ONLY and valid for use ANY day for the remainder of the 2012 season, this discounted pass will have you skiing like a kid at $59 a day for adults on a $177 3 Day pass and only $100 for a 3 day pass for kids right through to Year 12.
 

DbSki

Old n' Crusty
Jun 19, 2012
21,431
7,395
1,063
Melb
The undisclosed limiting condition of the 2012 mid week pass was that many lifts closed mid week so buyer beware .

The cause was not snow conditions it was clearly lack of staffing in the words of the company itself and a lack of staff that are largerly unskilled is simply a lack of wage funding from the employer and not a lack fo skilled people available to do the job.

Therefore the closing of lifts was not by circumstances beyond the control of Ski lift Mt Buller and as such there is no indication it will not be the case in 2013.
 

Stratus

A Local
Apr 22, 2005
8,168
474
463
Melbourne
I get the feeling Buller are happy getting their business from the weekend tourist crowd, they don't seem too desperate to compete at all. And I know this has been discussed over and over but I was seriously expecting them to release a more competitive deal this time around.

Considering the Hero Pass ends on Monday...
 

CarveMan

Tremendous Slouch
Ski Pass
May 12, 2000
89,592
83,543
1,515
Les Hautes Montagnes
aussieskier.com
Stratus said:
And I know this has been discussed over and over but I was seriously expecting them to release a more competitive deal this time around.

We all lived in hope, but if it were to be good news they would have been shouting it from the rooftops a couple of weeks ago.

I'm expecting tweaking of the midweek or 10 day offerings as described above, but expecting to pay full freight for a full pass.

I do know that Buller was disappointed by the low take-up of the midweek offerings. It seems to me that even though they want to push midweeks, people still need weekends somehow combined in these offers to make them more attractive.

Anyway I'm pretty over the issue, my thoughts have been well telegraphed over the last year, it's clear what Buller management thinks of the resilience of its regular, locked-in customers & future treatment is likely to be as such, and it's fair to say the feelings are mutual.
 
Last edited by a moderator:

skiflat

Old n' Crusty
Aug 10, 1999
37,434
1,506
1,063
Stratus said:
I get the feeling Buller are happy getting their business from the weekend tourist crowd, they don't seem too desperate to compete at all. And I know this has been discussed over and over but I was seriously expecting them to release a more competitive deal this time around.

Considering the Hero Pass ends on Monday...

I laughed

I have a Thredbo/Perisher pass for basically the same price as Buller's pass and full payment not due until May 2013.

Like CM - I am not going to rant anymore, the issue is done and Buller don't care

The only thing I miss at Buller is Kofler's

MEH
 
Last edited by a moderator:

sfo

Hard Yards
Sep 8, 2009
479
10
68
anywhere there's snow
DbSki said:
The undisclosed limiting condition of the 2012 mid week pass was that many lifts closed mid week so buyer beware .

The cause was not snow conditions it was clearly lack of staffing in the words of the company itself and a lack of staff that are largerly unskilled is simply a lack of wage funding from the employer and not a lack fo skilled people available to do the job.

Therefore the closing of lifts was not by circumstances beyond the control of Ski lift Mt Buller and as such there is no indication it will not be the case in 2013.[/quote

I saw on aussieskier that todays the last day for the Hero Pass. Hmmm, 7 days a week on higher mtns vs a rumoured $800 for 10 days. crunch time to decide.
 

Snorkler

Part of the Furniture
Jan 1, 1970
18,212
548
813
Melbourne, Vic
Season is over now, and still no news.

Studying Visitor Days Studying Visitor days is quite an interesting affair.

Suprisingly, Buller got quite a lot of visitors (476K) considering their season compared to Hotham (447K). Though what the quality and the activities of those visitors do we don't have access to. Buller still had more Visitor Days than Hotham but Hotham crossed quite a large gap to get quite close. What's even just as interesting that Hotham's numbers have been growing at an annualised rate of 2.3%pa whereas Buller hasn't grown much at all.

Secondly, Buller is a moody one with really wild swings in Visitor Days whereas Hotham is much more stable. This isn't surprising though when we think about what season passes really are, essentially futures contracts, it turns the notion on it's head that futures are the domain of seasonally variable business'.

Management at BSL have much to think about.

Check out Aussieskier for more indepth detail.
 
Last edited by a moderator:

FixedGrip

Kick-Ass Blaster
Ski Pass
May 31, 2005
24,703
3,421
1,027
The Chammy
I can't help but feel BSL has already looked at this stuff in more detail then we ever can or will.
 

Snorkler

Part of the Furniture
Jan 1, 1970
18,212
548
813
Melbourne, Vic
mx_boarder said:
I can't help but feel BSL has already looked at this stuff in more detail then we ever can or will.

If there is one thing I have learnt, never assume too much.
wink.gif
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Remove ads with a
Ski Pass

Log in

or Log in using
Remove ads with a
Ski Pass