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2020 / 2021 - Canada

Discussion in 'Canada' started by Hoodie, Apr 12, 2020.

  1. Sbooker

    Sbooker One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    ^^^^
    If we’re not moving internationally by next northern hemisphere winter we are in for massive economic pain.
    It’ll happen.
     
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  2. sly_karma

    sly_karma Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I'd say you're right. Vaccine will be just starting to take effect on a widespread basis, but lots of uncertainty given no one knows how long immunity lasts after vaccination.
     
  3. main street

    main street Doing what I want. Ski Pass: Gold

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  4. main street

    main street Doing what I want. Ski Pass: Gold

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    I doubt the Canadian Govt gives a shit about travel bubbles right now....... It has larger issues to deal with first.

    The simple fact is that US land border will open first as part of a phased approach..... There will not be a switch flicked signaling an open free for all.

    Once Australians are free to travel to Canada, the US/CAN border will already be open.

    The US / CAN border will not open for tourism this side of the end of March given the infection numbers on both sides of the border,...... Possibly into June depending on vaccine status.
     
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  5. gareth_oau

    gareth_oau Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Talks of trvel bubbles are moot if BC's covid stats are increasing unfortunately.

    And the US is full of so many Trimpys yjayt who knows how many will refuse to take a vaccine even if it is effective
     
  6. sly_karma

    sly_karma Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I think it will take until this time next year to get the vaccine distributed widely enough to make a difference. Case counts will slow down over summer with everyone outdoors and then as fall begins we'll wait to see if cases will take off again like this year or if they just trickle in with reasonable herd immunity being achieved.
     
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  7. Chalkie

    Chalkie A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    We should do some predictions and see which ends up being the most accurate.

    This is my prediction about the timeline:

    1. Pfizer & Moderna vaccines approved by Health Canada late January / early February 2021.
    2. First vaccinations to priority recipients (health care workers & first priority vulnerable (care homes)) in March 2021.
    3. Rollout progressively through essential workers & second priority vulnerable April to June.
    4. Rest of us punters from July onwards.

    I think I read somewhere that north of 70% vaccine coverage / other immunity (eg, prior infection) is necessary for reasonable herd immunity. Fingers crossed there is a high take up rate from the outset.
     
  8. Sbooker

    Sbooker One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    I have no idea really but I’m counting on being able to fly from Brisbane to Vancouver by next December so I hope you’re right.
     
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    aazz One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    I hope you are correct.

    Now from the Oz perspective, if Pfizer start rolling theirs out in January, will the Oz governemt switch to Pfizer, expedite their Oxford/CSL supply or keep sitting until ours is ready
     
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  11. Sbooker

    Sbooker One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    I believe they’ve ordered the Pfizer vaccine so I assume they will use it as soon as it’s available.
     
  12. Roymond

    Roymond One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    I think they’ll snaffle whatever they can get. CSL is already manufacturing the Oxford vaccine. We’ve got 20 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine prepurchased.
    What will most likely happen is they will advise different vaccines for different groups- the more traditional vaccine (uq molecular clamp) for kids and pregnant women, mRNA for oldies , Oxford vaccine for rural/remote that won’t need such a restrictive cold chain requirement and whatever the in betweens (mostly us) can get their hands on.
     
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    I am with you.
     
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  14. sly_karma

    sly_karma Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Generally agree with this timeline prediction. Seems reasonable to expect a slowdown in virus spread over the summer as we had this year, so vaccine effects will be hard to assess until the weather cools off and everyone moves back inside again. Next October we will all be wondering if cases are about to ramp up again and the coming ski season will have a lot of questions to be answered. Hopefully November comes and goes with no leap in cases, just low level bumps here and there that are handled with contact tracing and isolation as we do now. There won't be a light switch moment when we go from pandemic to healthy all at once.
     
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    So how many of the trump brigade will refuse to get vaccinated? LOL
     
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    presumably not those who think it's a hoax, so the ICUs will still echo to the sound of 'it doesn't exist!'
     
  17. main street

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    Just hard to imagine why so high still in BC and Alberta. NSW , day 18 with no cases. (0). Alberta over 1000 everyday.
     
  19. sly_karma

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    Almost winter, everyone is indoors a lot more now.
     
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    In both provinces there is significant non-compliance with the public health guidelines, for different reasons. Put bluntly, people are gathering indoors and taking the piss. BC is trying to encourage people to comply, and is taking half-arsed steps to try and flatten the curve (compulsory masks in interior public places and where physical distancing isn't possible), shutdown of some of the more egregious spreaders (gym and dance classes and some other bits and pieces) and continued earnest encouragement from our Chief Health Officer, Dr Bonnie Henry, to do the right thing. As much as I admire Dr Henry, I think she needs to get her tough shoes on and start kicking some heads. That said, I can't see her exercising her considerable powers under the Public Health Act to order a provincial shut down again to try and bring case numbers under control.

    Alberta isn't really interested in trying to do anything that would control the spread of Covid if interferes with the economy. I think there's an observable cause and effect in Alberta between government inaction to manage the pandemic and the growth in case numbers.
     
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  21. Chalkie

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    Anyway, Covid aside, today was my first visit to Whistler this season. We made our reservation last week based on a more than three days out weather forecast, which is always a bit of a risk. Last week today was predicted to have sunny breaks, but they came a little later than expected. So we had rain on the drive up the Sea to Sky, which switched to snow when we reached Whistler, and then the weather throughout the day was mixed, but mostly cloudy with a couple of brief snow showers. Hence I didn't really get any decent photo opps. Here's a shot of a break in the weather:



    As a Vail resort, reservations are required to ski at Whistler. Passholders got early access to the system to make reservations for the peak season (so we have a week booked in late January), but early season up to 7 December is first in, first served. Wednesday and Friday this week are already "sold out" (the weather for the rest of the week is clear and sunny).

    We parked at Creekside in the underground parking as is our custom for day trips. Parking was easy - crowds were light. On exiting the carpark on foot, there were Whistler staff invigilators reminding everyone that nose and mouth face coverings were required for the gondola line and on all lifts.

    The single party per cabin rule meant for a slow gondola loading. Similarly, the lift lines - particularly big capacity lifts like the Emerald Express (six seater detachable high speed chair) are affected by the single party rule, although once we were on the mountain the longest line we encountered was only 10 mins.

    Reservations are also required for dining. For larger capacity locations like the Roundhouse, reservations open at 7am each day. We made our lunch ressie right on the dot of 7am immediately before walking out the door of home. Anyone who's tried to get a table in a place like the Roundhouse will appreciate the convenience of a reservation system, but that of course comes at a price, namely a greatly limited menu from what is usually on offer, and lots of physical distancing. Anyone who's eaten upstairs at the Roundhouse will know that this is a very different scene from the usual carnage of people hurling themselves at anything resembling a vacant spot at a table:



    And to the skiing: luckily, there was a decent fall last night (15cm) so there was plenty of fresh snow and good cover for the beginning of the season. The high alpine (Symphony, Harmony, Whistler Peak, 7th Heaven) did not open, but there was good skiing from midstation up to the Roundhouse (we stayed on the Whistler side today). As it was day 1 for the season we took it fairly easy, although we did take a wrong turn and ended up taking a rather more challenging course (Upper Dave Murray Downhill and an ungroomed Tokum) than we were planning to get back to the lift (which tired us out a bit!).

    The attention to Covid physical protocols is fairly consistent, although enforcement of face coverings in lift lines varied a bit, depending on who was doing the invigilation - some staff were more vigilant than others.

    The drive home was pretty spectacular - we had clear weather on the Sea to Sky and a beautiful sunset. These were taken at the Mount Tantulus lookout:


     
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    Sigh. Great shots.
     
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    has this been an ongoing attitude or has it evolved since news of a vaccine?

    It makes you wonder if they have seen WA statistics. fortunate because we are an islamd within an island, but great compliance and attitude too
     
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    People underestimate the effect of weather. The pandemic was announced during spring school holidays, and everyone did as they were asked and it all went very quiet. By May, when reopening started, the weather was great and everyone learned to socialise outdoors. In summer, Canadians flocked to BC in record numbers. Camping, boating, dirt biking, hiking, mountain biking, fishing etc were all seeing record equipment sales. Pubs and restaurants and hotels caught up on some of the losses from the spring. The only restrictions were bans on assemblies of 50 or more. Masks were rarely seen, yet BC had case numbers that were the envy of all North America. We were lauded for our balance between open economy and low virus spread.

    Then came fall and the end of outdoor living for most people. Our casual attitudes were ingrained by this time, and reinforced by the daily delivery of good news from Dr Bonnie and the TV images of medical system mayhem in the US. In September we were consumed with reopening of schools, and when that passed with little downside, we were once again reassured that we were doing it right. But the deleterious effects of air flow, heat and UV on the virus were no longer there to cover up our laxity. October brought Thanksgiving and Halloween, and people did their usual thing despite pleas to the contrary. Now of course the gatherings were largely indoors, and the virus fell on fertile ground. October was when the damage was done, with the case numbers spiking hard during November.

    In summer it really wasn't that hard to live "normally", but the messaging was telling us that we were making sacrifices - and winning. Now a lot more is being asked of us and the fatigue is very apparent. We're not getting away with it anymore because we keep socializing inside and the nice airtight homes I build with central heat systems efficiently distribute the virus. Compliance with masking is quite good in public - the vocal contrarians are a tiny minority - but the problem is people are having small private get togethers of family or friends, and no one wears masks at those. People trust their family and close friends at the social and human level and don't get that the virus neither knows nor cares who is family or trusted friend.

    Spring is four long months away, and vaccines won't hit in sufficient numbers to make a difference during that time; it will be well into summer before we get the 70% uptake needed. Canada is facing a long dark winter indeed.
     
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    sly_karma Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I know you guys would like to drive south, but really our day to day lives are unaffected by the border closure. Trade is flowing as well as it can given the covid precautions. It was a momentous thing when the border closed in March because it hadn't happened before, but most people don't give it a second thought now.
     
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    We're ok with the border being closed actually,.... We made the call to not drive down to Mexico through the US quite some time ago.....

    What we may consider is a flight into Cancun from Calgary and rent a car to get back to Celestun..... But that will be late March at best and we'd only stay for 2 - 3 weeks.

    Late 2021 trip planning is already underway and if we have to fly down, we'll do that...... We are also exploring options of a focus shift back to the Baja,.... San Felipe on the northern end and Loreto for a more central/lower area on the Baja..... Part of a 5 year plan at this point and that will make the drive easier.
     
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    Ouch...... & it will only get worse.


    Province-wide restrictions

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    By order and direction of the Provincial Health Officer (PHO), all events and social gatherings are suspended to significantly reduce COVID-19 transmission related to social interactions and travel.

    Last updated: December 11, 2020

    On this page:

    PHO order – Gatherings and Events (PDF) are suspended. For example:

    • Seasonal activities, including indoor and outdoor holiday events (with the exception of drive-in and drop-off events)
    • Musical or theatre performances
    • Galas
    • Silent auctions
    • Movie viewings in cinemas
    • Outdoor skating events
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    Drive-in, drop-off and drive-thru events

    [paste:font size="3"]Drive-in and drop-off events

    Drive-in and drop-off events may proceed with a limited number of people and a COVID-19 Safety Plan in place. You can have a maximum of 50 cars in attendance. People must stay in their cars. This includes:

    Drive-in events

    • Religious services
    • Holiday festival of lights
    Drop-off events

    • Holiday hampers
    • Toy drives
    All drive-in and drop-off events must:

    • Maintain physical distancing
    • Control the entry and exit points
    • Avoid congestion of cars and congregating of people
    Drive-thru events
    Uncontrolled drive-thru events are suspended, as cars continually moving through a venue may exceed 50 at one time.

    Operators of drive-thru events can only continue to operate if they restrict the number of cars to 50 at one time. For example:


    • A drive-thru Christmas light show cordons off 50 cars, who can then proceed through the event

    Funerals, weddings and baptisms

    Funerals, weddings and baptisms may proceed with a limited number of people and a COVID-19 Safety Plan in place. You can have a maximum of 10 people attend, including the officiant.


    Receptions associated with funerals, weddings or baptisms are not allowed at any location, that includes:


    • Inside or outside homes
    • Any public or community-based venues

    Formal meetings


    Meals for people in need

    Meals for people in need may proceed with a limited number of people and a COVID-19 Safety Plan in place. You can have a maximum of 50 people in attendance. This includes:


    • Soup kitchens
    • Holiday meals at shelters
    • Charities offering meals
    Pre-packaged meals are the best option to limit gatherings inside a dining area.



    Rental and home sale viewings

    Rental and home viewings are already restricted to a maximum of six people, if space allows. People hosting viewings must use layers of protection, like masks and support virtual viewing options as much as possible.


    Religious gatherings and worship services


    Workplaces

    Employers must review and redouble their efforts on their COVID-19 Safety Plan, remind employees to monitor themselves daily and to always stay home if they have symptoms.

    Employers must make every effort to provide work from home options.


    Daily health check
    A daily health check should already be included in every business’s existing COVID-19 Safety Plan.


    Social gatherings
    No social gatherings of any size at your residence with anyone other than your household or core bubble. For example:

    • Do not invite friends or extended family to your household
    • Do not host gathering outdoors
    • Do not gather in your backyard
    • Do not have playdates for children
    Core bubble
    For most people, their core bubble is their immediate household. An immediate household is a group of people who live in the same dwelling. For example:

    • If you have a rental suite in your home, the suite is a separate household
    • If you live in an apartment or house with roommates, you are all members of the same household
    For others, including people who live alone, their core bubble may also contain a partner, relative, friend or co-parent who lives in a different household. This should be a maximum of two people outside of those living in your immediate household.

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    Co-parenting and supporting isolated family members

    For those who parent from separate households or rely on a family member or close friends for support with things like picking up children after school or delivering essential items like mail, medication or groceries, these activities can continue.


    People who live alone

    For people who live alone, a core bubble is a maximum of two people you see regularly.


    University students

    Welcoming your child home from university is okay. This is not a social gathering.

    Allowed activities
    These activities are not considered a social gathering:

    • Going for a walk. You must make sure a walk does not turn into a group of people meeting outside
    • Parents carpooling kids to and from school
    • Grandparents providing child care
    • Public pools and public skating rinks, when not associated with an event, are allowed to continue to operate with a COVID-19 Safety Plan
    review the health and safety precautions
    [paste:font size="5"]wear a mask when not at a table. Events are no longer allowed.


    Restaurants, pubs and bars can continue to operate if they have a COVID-19 Safety Plan and employee protocols in place.

    • Remember, a maximum of six people at a table and no moving between tables
    WorkSafeBC will be conducting inspections to verify that COVID-19 Safety Plans remain effective. Establishments that are noncompliant with plan requirements may face orders and fines, and possible referral to public health which may result in a closure order.

    [paste:font size="5"]PHO Order – Gatherings and Events (PDF)
    [paste:font size="4"]High intensity group fitness activities
    Businesses, recreation centres or other organizations that organize or operate high intensity group fitness activities must suspend the following activities:

    • Hot yoga
    • Spin classes
    • Aerobics
    • Bootcamp
    • Circuit training
    • High intensity interval training (HIIT)
    High intensity fitness activities cause a sustained and accelerated rate of breathing and may involve close contact with other people.

    Low intensity group fitness activities
    Businesses, recreation centres or other organizations that organize or operate low intensity group fitness activities must temporarily suspend them or move to virtual options, until guidance is developed to allow these activities to resume. These include:

    • Yoga
    • Pilates
    • Light weightlifting
    • Adult dance classes
    • Stretching or strengthening
    • Tai-Chi
    Low intensity fitness activities do not cause a sustained and accelerated rate of breathing and do not involve close contact with other people.

    Businesses who close due to COVID-19 restrictions could be eligible to receive rent support of up to 90 percent.

    Gyms and recreation facilities
    Gyms and recreation facilities that offer individual workouts and personal training sessions can remain open as long as they have a COVID-19 Safety Plan that is strictly followed.

    PHO Order – Gatherings and Events (PDF)
    [paste:font size="4"]Adult indoor and outdoor team sports

    All indoor and outdoor sports for people 19 years of age and older are suspended. These include:

    • Basketball
    • Cheerleading
    • Combat sports
    • Floor hockey
    • Floor ringette
    • Road hockey
    • Ice hockey
    • Ringette
    • Martial arts
    • Netball
    • Team skating
    • Soccer
    • Volleyball
    • Indoor bowling
    • Lawn bowling
    • Curling
    • Lacrosse
    • Hockey
    • Ultimate
    • Rugby
    • Football
    • Baseball
    • Softball
    Youth indoor and outdoor team sports
    All organized indoor and outdoor sports for people under 19 years of age must follow viaSport's Return to Sport Phase 2 guidance with respect to maintaining physical distance for participants. This means games, tournaments and competitions are temporarily suspended for teams.

    • Individual drills and modified training activities can continue
    • Amateur sports organizations and leagues may implement additional guidelines to ensure the health and safety of participants
    Spectators
    Under the order, no spectators are allowed at any sport activities. The only people allowed to attend sport activities are those that provide care to a participant or player. For example, providing first aid.

    Travel for team activities
    Travel to, from and between communities for team athletic activities like games, competitions, training and practice is prohibited. For example:

    • A team from Abbotsford cannot attend a training session in Chilliwack
    • A team from Victoria cannot attend a practice in Richmond
    Sport exemptions
    High performance athletes, professional athletes and professional performers like dancers are not included in the order. To qualify as a high performance athlete, you must be:

    • Identified by the Canadian Sports Institute Pacific as a high performance athlete affiliated with an accredited provincial or national sports organization
    • Continuing to follow the safety guidelines of your provincial sports organization
    Youth extracurricular activities
    Structured extracurricular activities and programs for people under 19 years of age can continue to operate with a COVID-19 Safety Plan in place and must be supervised by an adult. These include:

    • Educational programs
    • Music
    • Art
    • Dance
    • Drama
    • Recreational programs
    • Outdoor fitness
    • Social activities
    Under the order, performances, recitals and demonstrations are not allowed.

    mask mandate order, masks are required for everyone in many public indoor settings. A face shield is not a substitute for a mask as it has an opening below the mouth.

    There are exemptions for:

    • People with health conditions or with physical, cognitive or mental impairments who cannot wear one
    • People who cannot remove a mask on their own
    • Children under the age of 12
    Masks are required in many indoor public settings and all retail stores. This includes:

    • Malls, shopping centres
    • Grocery stores
    • Airports
    • Coffee shops
    • On public transportation, in a taxi or ride-sharing vehicle
    • Places of worship
    • Libraries
    • Common areas of post-secondary institutions, office buildings, court houses, hospitals and hotels
    • Clothing stores
    • Liquor stores
    • Drug stores
    • Community centres
    • Recreation centres
    • City Halls
    • Restaurants, pubs and bars when not seated at a table
    • Sport or fitness facilities when not working out
    [paste:font size="4"]Mask enforcement
    You are subject to a $230 fine if you:

    • Do not wear a mask in an indoor public setting, unless you are exempt
    • Refuse to comply with the direction of an enforcement officer, including the direction to leave the space
    • Engage in abusive or belligerent behaviour
    Masks at workplaces and shared living areas
    It is strongly recommended that masks be worn in the following areas:

    • Common areas in apartment buildings and condos, including:
      • Elevators
      • Hallways
      • Lobbies
      • Stairwells
    • Shared indoor workplace spaces, including:
      • Elevators
      • Kitchens
      • Hallways
      • Break rooms
    The restriction of all non-essential travel at the Canada-U.S. border remains in effect
    [paste:font size="3"]Flights to and from B.C.
    The order does not restrict flights entering and leaving B.C.

    Enforcement
    During a public health emergency under the Public Health Act, the PHO can make orders as needed. You must follow the orders.

    Under the Government’s Emergency Program Act, some orders can be enforced by police or other compliance and enforcement officials. People who don't follow these orders could be fined.

    Workplace enforcement
    In addition to compliance activities by WorkSafe, an Environmental Health Officers team will focus on workplaces in the Vancouver Coastal and Fraser Health regions to ensure COVID-19 Safety Plan compliance and enable rapid response and action.
     
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    Lordy. I’m a Japan tragic, but this gave me a snow boner.
     
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    sly_karma Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    We pass the Mt Cain turnoff on the way to our annual salmon fishing trip. I always think to myself, "Gotta go there some day." The north Island is wild and rugged. Great adventures to be had there.
     
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    bomber One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Wow MS that seems pretty severe. Did not read it all but assume since it is so big it doesnt contain too much happy stuff
     
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    sly_karma Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Second wave is breaking over most of Canada at the moment. The three territories have very few cases, although when the virus does get into one of the remote communities it spreads like crazy. The Atlantic provinces have joined in creating their own regional bubble with quite strict rules in place for many months and a ban on nonessential travel in and out. This has been effective in keeping case counts very low but has devastated their normally busy tourism economy.

    The rest of Canada - with 80% of the national population - is going through a time of literal and figurative darkness that will last through most of the winter. Alberta is at the limits of its medical system, and Manitoba exceeded those limits a few weeks ago before its lockdown restrictions took effect.

    BC is struggling with one region - the lower Fraser Valley; ie, metro Vancouver eastern suburbs - that is responsible for 80% of all cases. There are travel advisories but no enforcement, and of course everyone thinks their own travel is essential. I guess a strictly enforced cordon enclosing the Surrey-Chilliwack corridor would hammer it flat in a month, but the moment you apply strict controls to people brings out the crazy and the effects are deadly in a different way.

    Vaccine distribution begins today and will likely take eight months to cover enough of the population to be meaningful. Ski season will be conducted under some challenging conditions.
     
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    a llot of countries may have poo-pooed Australia’s approach but it seems we chose the right approach. WA has suffered in tourism but we haven’t had a single community case. And the economy is already out of recession
     
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    sly_karma Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Gonna be some heads roll there. Very negative publicity for BW right in the lead in to Christmas holidays.
     
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    main street Doing what I want. Ski Pass: Gold

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    Crystal Sand skier extraordinaire Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    I read somewhere that BW is cancelling all non local bookings.
     
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    main street Doing what I want. Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yup.

    No guests from outside the central Okanagan.
     
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    sly_karma Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I'm banned!
     
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    Chalkie A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Me too!

    We're going to ski at Whistler on Xmas Eve (a first for me, although I got to ski on Xmas Day in '95 at Lake Louise). Same deal as last time - drive up, park at Creekside, go up, ski for the day then drive back home ready for a very quiet Xmas Day.
     
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    main street Doing what I want. Ski Pass: Gold

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    28 day lockdown coming for Ontario.....

    Ontario planning to implement provincewide lockdown, including school closures: sources (msn.com)

    I fully expect that to sweep west and hit BC just after NYE .....

    January will see a massive rise in cases all over the country as people simply ignore the health advice and "go anyway" to homes for Christmas.

    I'm betting it will be Canada's super spreader event like Thanksgiving was for the USA.

    The USA is going to be in deep shit as their Thanksgiving case rise bites even harder & then they stack the stupidity that will be Christmas on top of that.
     
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    Chalkie A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Well, that will be the end of our January Whistler trip if that happens. And maybe the end of our BC interior trip in February. It would be nice if BC tried to be a bit proactive and get ahead of the misery that Christmas/New Year will inevitably deliver but instituting tougher measures right now. But that will be hoping for too much.
     
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    It will all depend on how much common sense is exhibited by BC's general public over the next 2 weeks..... I suspect, not much.

    Ski resorts all over the province will have Big White to thank if there are wholesale shutdowns from a stiff rise in Covid cases over the silly season.

    Our bubble is the two of us & Drake,..... & it will stay that way until after NYE and we'll re-assess then....
     
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    sly_karma Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I fear MS is right. Too bad, because BC has put the brakes on new cases of late, settling down through December to a current level of "only" 600 a day. But that will go out the window by mid January because people will insist on sticking to their family Christmas traditions, for which the virus cares not a whit. The people are getting fatigued by the repeated cycles of appeals to knuckle down, and I worry that they won't respond as well to this next appeal.

    Skiing has been good so far for me. Apex asks us to wear face masks at all times except when we are actually skiing, and that's about it. No reservations required. Fingers crossed the ski areas can hang in there. Christmas will make or break it for them - scenes of mass stupidity will be media fodder, but conversely a well behaved holiday season with few transmissions would settle community concerns that the resorts are a covid breeding ground.
     
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    Chalkie A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Based on what I've observed, I more than fear @main street is right - I expect that's what will happen. If it doesn't, I'll be (pleasantly) surprised.

    Whistler's capacity controls and reservations system should help to manage things there. The restaurants and bars are the potential worry, but if they stick closely to following the rules and managing their patrons, they shouldn't be a source of problems.

    Private gatherings are what's causing most of the trouble in BC, IMO.
     
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    And the foolish churches in Chilliwack defying the orders.
     
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    Chalkie A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Don't get me started...
     
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    main street Doing what I want. Ski Pass: Gold

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    ROFLROFL

    Me either !
     
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