Travel Life 2021/2022 - Canada Plans

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Generally agree, but the author misses what I think is a key difference: generations of Australians and New Zealanders have been raised to understand the dangers posed by invasive species and biological threats from outside. We know how vulnerable out isolation makes us if something gets in, so we are generally accepting of quarantine measures. This societal agreeance does not exist in Canada or the US.

The "hit it hard, hit it fast" approach in Aus and NZ has proven effective for sure. The Atlantic provinces banded together as usual (known as the Lobster Mafia for a reason) and closed their borders and imposed strict travel restrictions within the provinces. They got a similar result to Australia, a tale of two pandemics within the same country. Although the Newfies had an epic fail, trying to hold provincial elections when a spike in cases led to imposition of stay at home orders in some areas and last minute cancelation of in person voting. Disputed results and legal action pending.

The rest of the country fell victim to legendary Canadian politeness, failing again and again to use or enforce the legislative tools available. Mandatory hotel quarantine upon re entry to Canada wasn't imposed until February 2021, and is still not systematically enforced. Some people are simply refusing to do it - mostly because of the cost - and they're able to do so because there's not always someone at the airport to directly escort them to quarantine. This is NOT the time for the honour system!

Premiers announce "strict new measures" to bend the curve, but allow several days' notice to give people time to prepare. Result: everyone rushes out to shop or visit friends before it's all cut off, bringing about the surge of contacts that the strict new measures were supposed to prevent. Classic politician move - hoping people won't hate them too much.

Moving to the hard and fast style of management after a year of trying to finesse it won't work. Ontario announced last week that police now had power to stop citizens on the street and ask why they weren't observing the Stay At Home order. Massive outrage on the socials, and leaders of two regional police forces declared their officers would do no such thing. Would have been a different story if this had happened a year ago when people really were listening to leaders.
Lobster Mafia................LOL
 
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British Columbia published its (second) restart plan today: https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/covid-19/info/restart

It is a 4 step plan, tied to vaccination levels, case counts and hospitalisations:

1. 25 May - The criteria for Step 1 is at least 60% of the 18+ population vaccinated with dose 1, along with stable case counts and COVID-19 hospitalizations.

2. 15 June (earliest) - The criteria for moving to Step 2 is at least 65% of the 18+ population vaccinated with dose 1, along with declining case counts and COVID-19 hospitalizations.

3. 1 July (earliest) - The criteria for moving to Step 3 is at least 70% of the 18+ population vaccinated with dose 1, along with low case counts and declining COVID-19 hospitalizations.

4. 7 September (earliest) - The criteria for moving to Step 4 is more than 70% of the 18+ population vaccinated with dose 1, along with low case counts and low COVID-19 hospitalizations.

What we can do at each step is set out in the link. Step 4 is close to back to normal. But for now Step 1 is great - we can have up to 6 people back in our house, and go out to dinner with up to 6 people.

I really like the vaccination targets - gives something tangible to work to and there are more carrots at each stage. It will be very interesting to see how it unfolds as the summer progresses.

@sly_karma and @main street - we'd better set a date for a long lunch at Quail's Gate and a private tasting at Mission Hill!!!!
 

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British Columbia published its (second) restart plan today: https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/covid-19/info/restart

It is a 4 step plan, tied to vaccination levels, case counts and hospitalisations:

1. 25 May - The criteria for Step 1 is at least 60% of the 18+ population vaccinated with dose 1, along with stable case counts and COVID-19 hospitalizations.

2. 15 June (earliest) - The criteria for moving to Step 2 is at least 65% of the 18+ population vaccinated with dose 1, along with declining case counts and COVID-19 hospitalizations.

3. 1 July (earliest) - The criteria for moving to Step 3 is at least 70% of the 18+ population vaccinated with dose 1, along with low case counts and declining COVID-19 hospitalizations.

4. 7 September (earliest) - The criteria for moving to Step 4 is more than 70% of the 18+ population vaccinated with dose 1, along with low case counts and low COVID-19 hospitalizations.

What we can do at each step is set out in the link. Step 4 is close to back to normal. But for now Step 1 is great - we can have up to 6 people back in our house, and go out to dinner with up to 6 people.

I really like the vaccination targets - gives something tangible to work to and there are more carrots at each stage. It will be very interesting to see how it unfolds as the summer progresses.

@sly_karma and @main street - we'd better set a date for a long lunch at Quail's Gate and a private tasting at Mission Hill!!!!


You guys can come to Casa Street from June 15 by the looks of that,...... :evil:

I have a plan Baldrick..... ;)
 

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More cunning than a rat with a masters degree in cunning, Baldrick?

Jokes aside, there is clarity in the plan and I like the vax targets to encourage the hesitant to roll up one sleeve. Sadly, we had planned to be on the road to the cabin at the coast this morning for Mrs Sly's birthday. She was very sad that the travel restrictions were not lifted.
 

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Snuck in my first jab today (in NZ) :) wondering if vax passports will be a thing
 

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Vax supply and distribution have been going so well that BC has announced it is halving the gap between first and second shot from 16 weeks to 8. Early July for MS and I if that goes to plan (we happen to be same year of birth). No calling around, we just wait for the email and then go online to book appointment.Simples.

The silence from the "government can't do anything right" crowd has been deafening of late.
 

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Vax supply and distribution have been going so well that BC has announced it is halving the gap between first and second shot from 16 weeks to 8. Early July for MS and I if that goes to plan (we happen to be same year of birth). No calling around, we just wait for the email and then go online to book appointment.Simples.

The silence from the "government can't do anything right" crowd has been deafening of late.

I was a bit dubious at first (mostly because I thought the messaging was poorly handled in light of dodgy supply) but as things currently stand, it is a great success! I am so impressed (especially in BC) at how people have worked out that vaccination = freedom + safety and are just getting on with it.
 

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I remember when false imprisonment was a thing

The longer this goes on..... when people have had the vaccine
and are prepared to pay for and do quarantine as required.....

Someone will have a crack at a court case on this
 

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Just had notification that our Air Canada flights for late Jan 2022 have been cancelled, and our AirBNB hosts have offered us a refund of our deposit.
That’s interesting and a little confusing. We are booked for end December 2021 and havent heard anything. I’ll have to contact the travel agent. Was there a reason given?
 

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Canada is getting there:

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sure it was not just because of a schedule change
I don't think so, as the cancellation notification said:
"AC37 to Melbourne, Melbourne Airport (MEL) has been cancelled due to the impacts of the COVID-19 pandemic on aviation which includes government entry requirements, travel advisories, and local movement restrictions. This affects both international and domestic flights due to our interconnected route network."
So I figured it was easier just to cancel and get everything refunded. I was also able to get a refund for our Airbnb booking at Panorama, so it looks like we will have to wait until 2023 to get an OS fix.
 

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Which airline are you booked with?
Air Canada out of Brisbane. But we booked through a travel agency so they may not have passed the information on. Yet. That’s a bugger- the possibility of sun peaks in January was a big hope on the horizon thing for our crew.
 

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Air Canada out of Brisbane. But we booked through a travel agency so they may not have passed the information on. Yet. That’s a bugger- the possibility of sun peaks in January was a big hope on the horizon thing for our crew.
I just checked the AC website, and the SYD - YVR flights are still showing, but direct MEL or BNE are not there anymore. I wonder if they will stick, or run with limited passenger numbers (mainly for freight). Ours were business class awards, and they didn't offer us replacements via SYD.
 

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1 stop flights through HNL or LA for $1400 to $1900 depending on the Airline. Not sure if they are legitimate or not and not game to pull the trigger.
 

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BNE and Mel cancelled according to our TA- she emailed this morning.
She has booked us tentatively on the sydney flights but BNE to SYD is a 5 am flight and that'd mean an overnight in BNE for us as we are 2 hrs for BNE airport.
All getting a little too hard for an unpredictable trip.
Sooner or later common sense will kick in.
The universe is telling us something...
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aaaand we are done. Mad optimism it was always going to be but it seems that pragmatism outweighs hope.
there’s always next year..
Sigh.
 
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There is some "thinking about it" .....



Bottom line to be read into this,..... If ya don't have BOTH shots,.... You're shot.

& any re-opening will be phased,..... US land border first,.... Then they'll look at others.

There are some interesting things about this:

1. Does this mean that Canada has accepted the need for a standard vaccine passport?
2. Does this mean that Canada is already engaging on proof of vaccination with the US (for starters) in a meaningful way?
3. What will happen to under-12s (and others) who can't for whatever sound medical reason be vaccinated?

Anyway, I was pleased to hear Trudeau's announcement, as I think it is step in the right direction.
 

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Weirdly still easy to emigrate or head to Canada on visa just not from Aus. My brother in-law flies from Heathrow to Canada in next day or so
 

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Still I have this hypothetical fantasy in my mind and one that really should be achievable. I have had both jabs putting me into the 100% vaccinated club.
Just like when I need to obtain my ESTA to travel to Canada I also get one for Covid Vaccination. Let's give it an acronym ECVTA which is also linked to my passport.
36 hours before I fly I get tested. I fly to Canada, I don't need to be quarantined as it serves no purpose. I have my annual ski holiday. Same again, test me before I fly and I return to Aus and test me again. Now if for whatever reason when I return home I have to be quarantined which is probable, then as I am vaccinated I can do so in my own home at no expense to anyone where I can also work.
Could be way too optimistic to think all of this is achievable which I understand but tell me where I am wrong
 

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Still I have this hypothetical fantasy in my mind and one that really should be achievable. I have had both jabs putting me into the 100% vaccinated club.
Just like when I need to obtain my ESTA to travel to Canada I also get one for Covid Vaccination. Let's give it an acronym ECVTA which is also linked to my passport.
36 hours before I fly I get tested. I fly to Canada, I don't need to be quarantined as it serves no purpose. I have my annual ski holiday. Same again, test me before I fly and I return to Aus and test me again. Now if for whatever reason when I return home I have to be quarantined which is probable, then as I am vaccinated I can do so in my own home at no expense to anyone where I can also work.
Could be way too optimistic to think all of this is achievable which I understand but tell me where I am wrong
It’s not wrong at all, @Captain Caveman . wildly optimistic but not wrong. I like it. Which is why, against all apparent evidence , we are still holding our accomodation . Our flights have been cancelled but we will pick up others if the government adheres to the caveman criteria and has restricted opening! Here’s hoping!
 

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https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/cana...ting-public-interest/ar-AAKWByj?ocid=msedgntp
After more than a year of travel restrictions that have impacted most Canadians, the federal government has finally begun to ease the rules.

Ottawa has embarked on Phase 1 of a multiphase approach to lift its travel restrictions. However, the government warns that the process will be gradual — based on scientific data and not people's pleas to reopen the borders.

Here's what changes are happening soon and what to expect as more Canadians get vaccinated.

Phase 1: Vaccinated travellers can skip quarantine​

Since the start of the pandemic, Canada has kept its borders closed to most non-essential traffic and required a 14-day quarantine for travellers allowed to enter.

The government upped the ante in late February, mandating that travellers take a COVID-19 test upon arrival and that air passengers spend part of their quarantine at a designated hotel until they receive test results.

However, Ottawa announced on Wednesday that all fully vaccinated travellers currently allowed to enter Canada will soon be able to skip the 14-day quarantine requirement, including the mandated hotel stay. Instead, they'll have to show proof of a negative pre-departure COVID-19 test, take another test upon arrival, and self-isolate until that test comes back negative.

The government has not yet set a date for the rule change but says it "hopes" to implement it by early July.

"These changes will only be made if the [COVID-19] case count continues to drop and if the vaccination campaign continues to go well," said Intergovernmental Affairs Minister Dominic LeBlanc in French at a news conference on Wednesday.

The pending rule change is welcome news for many vaccinated travellers — but not for those set to fly to Canada before it takes effect.

"I feel like it's a little bit of a punishment and a slap in the face," said Fay Wallenberg, who grew up in Regina and now lives in Tuscany, Italy.

Wallenberg, who's flying home on June 25 to visit her parents, has received both doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine.

She can't change her travel plans, she said, and will now arrive with the knowledge that vaccinated travellers will get to skip the quarantine hotel, potentially only a week later.

"I think it's horribly unfair," said Wallenberg. "I'm fully vaccinated."

On Wednesday, Health Minister Patty Hajdu said various government departments are still finalizing plans for the rule-change to ensure they will be "operationally ready" in July.

Is my vaccine OK? What about my kids?​

At this point, only travellers who received a vaccine approved by Health Canada — Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson — will be allowed to bypass the 14-day quarantine. The government said it will assess and consider approving other COVID-19 vaccines at a later date.

Ottawa said it's also working on a vaccine passport for travellers, and that if it's not ready by the time the rules change, Canadian border officers will determine a traveller's status based on their documentation.

Hajdu couldn't yet say if unvaccinated children will get to skip the hotel requirement when travelling with fully vaccinated parents. Health Canada has so far only approved the COVID-19 vaccine for those aged 12 and up.

"We will not separate families who are travelling together," Hajdu said Wednesday on Power & Politics. But she provided no further details, saying they have yet to be worked out.

What's next?​

The government said it doesn't have a set timeline for when further travel restrictions will be eased.

"The metrics we're looking at are less date oriented and more disease-activity oriented," said Hajdu. Case counts, hospitalizations and vaccination rates will all play a part in dictating Ottawa's next moves, she said.

The government's next vaccination "goalpost" for easing border restrictions is to have 75 per cent of all eligible Canadians fully inoculated, said Canada's Chief Public Health Officer Dr. Theresa Tam. Currently, only seven per cent of Canadians aged 18 and older have received two doses.

What about the Canada-U.S. border?​

Canada's gradual approach to lifting travel restrictions has frustrated some U.S. politicians who want to see a plan for reopening the Canada-U.S. land border put into action now.

Recently, there's been speculation that the U.S. plans to go it alone and reopen its side of the border to non-essential traffic on June 22 — when the current agreement expires.

U.S. immigration lawyer Len Saunders says he's spoken to nearly a dozen U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers who say they've been told the U.S. land border is reopening on that date.

"If you call me two weeks today, I'll be shocked if the border is not reopened into the U.S.," said Saunders, whose office sits close to the Canadian border in Blaine, Wash.

However, the U.S. government has denied the rumours.

Further, Hajdu said she met with U.S.Secretary of Health and Human Services Xavier Bercerra last week and they agreed it would be beneficial for the two countries to come up with shared health protocols to ease travel restrictions.

Either way, eager cross-border travellers may get more information soon. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and U.S. President Joe Biden are set to discuss the issue at the current G7 summit in the U.K., according to New York congressman Brian Higgins.

"In the end, these are the only two decision makers that matter," Higgins said Thursday during a panel discussion hosted by the Tourism Industry Association of Canada. "They can make a game-changing decision."

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Damn just cancelled, deposit back OK and the AUD is well above CAD. Got more back than I paid.
Other reason is I am in hospital and just had repaired ascending aeorta. That will keep me quiet for a while. The joys of old age.
 
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I can't see the Americans opening their border unilaterally - at least not this administration (the previous bloke might have done anything). This is too big a matter to go it alone, with the practical details of a single-sided opening being very messy.

Although they're well ahead now on second dose rates, Canada will in short time surpass the US by a considerable amount, as the vaccine hesitancy rates down south appear to be formidable - first dose data indicates they'll stall at 60% overall. Seems likely Canada will be at 75% with both shots by early Sept (applying what I believe to be the reasonable assumption that those who accepted first shot will take a second).
 

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I can't see the Americans opening their border unilaterally - at least not this administration (the previous bloke might have done anything). This is too big a matter to go it alone, with the practical details of a single-sided opening being very messy.

Although they're well ahead now on second dose rates, Canada will in short time surpass the US by a considerable amount, as the vaccine hesitancy rates down south appear to be formidable - first dose data indicates they'll stall at 60% overall. Seems likely Canada will be at 75% with both shots by early Sept (applying what I believe to be the reasonable assumption that those who accepted first shot will take a second).

I should have thought that the most straightforward way of facilitating a two border opening would be to require travellers in both directions to present proof of vaccination to enter. Lots of other countries have vaccination requirements for travellers; this would be no different. It would be equitable (applies to both sides equally), has historical (smallpox) and current (yellow fever) precedent, would address Horgen's concerns about different vaccination rates between the countries, and could be marketed as an interim measure, pending changes in the global, and Canada/US, pandemic scene. It might also help tamp down some of the border rhetoric coming from Jabba the Ford...
 

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If I was the governor of Washington state, I'd be worried about any border reopening. There'd be an instant flood of people from Surrey (perennial number one COVID hotspot in BC) driving to Bellingham for cheap dairy products.
 
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How refreshing !
Dr Henry..’ we are likely to see case counts increasing as we open up. That’s to be expected , but we’d like to see them at the level where they can be managed by public health’. THAT’S leadership and messaging.

@main street , @Chalkie , @sly_karma is there any demand for GP ‘s in Canada?
Not too late to emigrate. My wife is an ophthalmologist .
Surely there’s some spots for us there under skilled migrants criteria?
 
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How refreshing !
Dr Henry..’ we are likely to see case counts increasing as we open up. That’s to be expected , but we’d like to see them at the level where they can be managed by public health’. THAT’S leadership and messaging.

@main street , @Chalkie , @sly_karma is there any demand for GP ‘s in Canada?
Not too late to emigrate. My wife is an ophthalmologist .
Surely there’s some spots for us there under skilled migrants criteria?


Kelowna is SCREAMING for GP's !! .... As is Canada as a whole.

Get on it,...... I bit the bullet 13 years ago at age 43,.... It's never too late. :)
 
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How refreshing !
Dr Henry..’ we are likely to see case counts increasing as we open up. That’s to be expected , but we’d like to see them at the level where they can be managed by public health’. THAT’S leadership and messaging.

@main street , @Chalkie , @sly_karma is there any demand for GP ‘s in Canada?
Not too late to emigrate. My wife is an ophthalmologist .
Surely there’s some spots for us there under skilled migrants criteria?
By the sounds of it you could just retire to BC. :)
 
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How refreshing !
Dr Henry..’ we are likely to see case counts increasing as we open up. That’s to be expected , but we’d like to see them at the level where they can be managed by public health’. THAT’S leadership and messaging.

@main street , @Chalkie , @sly_karma is there any demand for GP ‘s in Canada?
Not too late to emigrate. My wife is an ophthalmologist .
Surely there’s some spots for us there under skilled migrants criteria?

And Vancouver too - it is nigh on impossible to get a GP here. It took us over a year to get registered with a GP practice. You basically have to wait until someone dies, and the shortages are compounded by older GPs retiring and their patients flooding the market! This recruitment site shows the shortages of health professionals in British Columbia: Health Match

I gather though the transfer requirements for physicians can be administratively onerous. See this: Foreign docs in Canada and this: Transfer without examination.

I can honestly say that I have not for one minute regretted my move to Canada. Sure, the pandemic has been irritating, and Australia's handling of every aspect of the pandemic has irritated me no end, but this country is amazing and BC in particular is breathtaking at every turn. Of course not everything is perfect, but I guess I'd describe the less than perfect aspects of living in Canada as "the same shite, different bucket", with my shite assessment and buckets based using Australia and the UK (the two other places I've lived) as the comparators.

Check it out - we'd love to see you here!
 

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How refreshing !
Dr Henry..’ we are likely to see case counts increasing as we open up. That’s to be expected , but we’d like to see them at the level where they can be managed by public health’. THAT’S leadership and messaging.

@main street , @Chalkie , @sly_karma is there any demand for GP ‘s in Canada?
Not too late to emigrate. My wife is an ophthalmologist .
Surely there’s some spots for us there under skilled migrants criteria?
20-25% of the Canadian population do not have a family doctor. Enormous demand. Have a talk to the relevant College about transfer of credentials. Certainly lots of docs moved here from S Afr. in recent years. It is a bit of a Canadian thing to be hyper protective of quals to those from outside the jurisdiction, but the needs are so great in the medical field.
 

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I believe the immigration authorities require immigrant docs to put in a couple of years in a "remote location"; ie, anywhere but capital cities or large metro like Vancouver. So you'd be doing it tough at first, living somewhere like Kamloops or Kelowna and forced to ski SP or SS or BW on weekends...
 

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I believe the immigration authorities require immigrant docs to put in a couple of years in a "remote location"; ie, anywhere but capital cities or large metro like Vancouver. So you'd be doing it tough at first, living somewhere like Kamloops or Kelowna and forced to ski SP or SS or BW on weekends...
Omg.....that sounds so harsh.
 
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