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2021 Epic Australia Pass $859

Discussion in 'Snow Talk' started by skiflat, Sep 10, 2020.

  1. Goski

    Goski One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    I wonder how many people get $5 cards with a different birthdate to get an extra year of cheaper passes for kids? I don't recall any age validation step when I got my kids' Hotham RFID cards years ago. If I was less scruplulous I could have made them a week younger which would be handy for next year when they are in Yr 12 and turning 18 just before the June 12 cut-off. Relevant for Falls, Hotham and Buller. Still think Perisher defining an adult as 15+ is a bit rough. Buying a student epic pass for 15 year-olds is a no brainer for Perisher families.
     
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  2. Ret-ro

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    Agree, but if they find out, cancelled, bye bye
     
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  3. emkae

    emkae One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    I would like to hope not many as it doesn’t set a great example to the younger generation

    But I imagine that there will be people that do this
     
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  4. Jonathan_P

    Jonathan_P One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    I vaguely recall we had to prove age for Perisher, but that was for the child care so maybe more stringent.

    Regardless I am sure they can spot them once they start using the pass, even this year with masks they were still stopping and pulling people out of the line for ticket issues no idea how they know:)
     
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  5. Goski

    Goski One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    If it was an issue of interest to the lift companies they could ask secondary students for an image of their student card when the card is purchased. My secondary schoolkids' cards have their birthdate on the card. Same for a Senior's pass, ask for an official ID. Compliance must be good enough to not bother with adding another admin check.
     
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  6. Goski

    Goski One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Maybe obviously grownup adults skiing on child passes? The pads linked to the scanners would be able to show the pass type. The Hotham handheld scanners last year just showed if a pass is valid. I prefer to be legit and not be worrying about being caught out. Some others will enjoy the "thrill" getting a free or cheap ride.
     
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  7. Goski

    Goski One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Plus my wife doesn't approve of me doing anything dodgy. A happy wife increases my chances of occasional unpartnered ski trips and buying more ski gear we arguably don't need.
     
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  8. MarzNC

    MarzNC One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    While I've never skied outside the USA, I'm curious about other continents. I have traveled a lot in Asia and Europe, just not for skiing. Here's what Ski Asia had about the Epic Australia Pass in their newsletter today. Of course, they are in the business of selling ski trips in Japan so are optimistic about the idea of Australians flying to Japan in 2021 for leisure travel.

    https://skiasia.com/guides/is-the-2021-epic-australia-pass-worth-it-for-aussies-visiting-japan/

    Is the Epic Australia Pass worth it?
    Let’s first make the assumption that you’re only going to be making one international trip during the 2021/22 season – so we’ll forget the North American resorts – and also assume that you’ll be visiting Hakuba Valley or Rusutsu, but not both. Yes, it’s possible to to both in the same trip (and plenty do), but given the distance between them – Rusutsu in Hokkaido, Hakuba Valley in Nagano – it’s not an obvious choice and will likely require an additional flight.

    These resorts haven’t released their 2021/22 pricing as yet, but it will likely be similar to this year’s model, in which a 5-day Rusutsu pass costs JPY29,100 (AU$376) and a Hakuba Valley equivalent costs JPY27,100 (AU$350). Note that a standard Hakuba Valley 5-day pass affords the holder nine days in which to use it (i.e. an optional four rest days), while the Epic Australia Pass does not.

    So, if you were to deduct the value of these tickets from the AU$859 Epic Australia Pass, you’re left with AU$483 (Rusutsu travellers) or AU$509 (Hakuba travellers) that you’d need to spend at either Perisher, Falls Creek or Hotham to break even.

    Again, we don’t yet know pricing for the 2021 Australian season, but let’s look at this year for comparison. According to Ski Cheap, Perisher’s 4-day adult pass during peak season cost AU$506, while its 5-day pass was AU$574. An equivalent 4-day pass at Hotham was AU$549, with the 5-day pass coming in at AU$636.

    On that basis, you’d be breaking even or coming very close to it with four days of peak season skiing in Australia, and with five days or more you’d very much be getting value for money.
     
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  9. dawooduck

    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    The ridiculous complexity of everything continues.

    All this new T&C and "pass protection" rules are complete and utter madness designed to protect the pass seller.

    Max lift queue, max road access congestion, max inconvenience, same old tired crowded infrastructure.

    Stay safe people
     
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  10. DPS Driver

    DPS Driver A Local

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    Bongo!!! give that man a cigar.

    Cheaper season passes longer lines. I'm sure if someone was anal enough they could see what value they really get with the pass. Lift line time versus skiing time.
     
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  11. dawooduck

    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    If people didnt jump on the early bird the price would stay lower for longer ....
     
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  12. cornice11

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    brought to you by a lawyer and an actuary.
     
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  13. Jonathan_P

    Jonathan_P One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    So answer is significantly more expensive season pass or no season pass?
     
  14. Chaeron

    Chaeron Ski-Hike-Blade-Bike-Kayak Ski Pass: Gold

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    The answer is touring gear....
     
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    Donzah Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Maybe they're limiting the amount of epic passes sold......
     
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  16. Paperboy

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    Hopefully they learn from this year and limit epic passes, but I doubt it.
     
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  17. dawooduck

    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    Hmmmm ..... T&C indicates otherwise and Epic pass is the primary marketing driver.
     
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  18. Jonathan_P

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    Yeah T&Cs indicate that reservation system will be the limiting factor.

    Technically there are no guarantees of access if this is used for all or part of season.


    That being said I have bought one, price wasn’t the factor for me, it offered me access (or could be lack thereof) to a mountain where we have built a lot of nice memories.
     
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    And that's exactly why I didn't buy one.

    Our lodge is in Thredbo, it's where I prefer to ski, so no need for an Epic pass. If you ski Perisher and you do more days than the break even then it's a no brainer. Same, same for Thredbo season pass.

    But, if people don't have a preference and buy on price only, then it's a comparison worth taking.
     
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  20. currawong

    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I expect that if I avoid school hols & weekends (SOP in recent years) and we have anything like an average season or better, then I will get good value and rarely wait in a queue
     
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  21. Tom from Melbourne

    Tom from Melbourne One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Do “bring a mate” passes get access to “first tracks”?
     
  22. chicski

    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    I expect so, but paid. It’s only free for epic pass holders.
     
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  23. Tom from Melbourne

    Tom from Melbourne One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Cheers, thanks @chicski, I didn’t know there was an option to purchase access! ( is that just for Perisher, I haven’t seen that option for Falls - maybe it’ll come next season as they continue integrating Falls and Hotham into the Vail fold).
     
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    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    No idea about Vic. And this year was different, but normally, yes you can purchase.
     
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  25. Goski

    Goski One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    This year chances are I and my family won't be able to use the Rusutsu or Hakuba entitlement if unquarantined travel to and from Japan isn't possible in January. Must say I was hoping for some expansion of the number of Japanese resorts Epic had a deal with. Just one on Honshu and one on Hokkaido is a narrow choice. Maybe for 2022. If we can go to Kosi in January and enjoy some camping and hiking etc we will and then have bought the annual NSW parks pass to also use for a trip to ski Perisher in winter.
     
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  26. Goski

    Goski One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    There isn't any detail about how Mates Invites would work in 2021. Stay tuned. I'll be wanting to use mine for a couple of friends who only ski a few days each year.
     
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    Do you get a refund if you don't make any tracks at first tracks ?
     
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    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    No. That’s when you only get second tracks.
     
  29. robbo mcs

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    I guess as it’s free, the answer would be a yes;)
     
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    People who only ski a few days each year wouldnt really appreciate first tracks ?
     
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  31. Goski

    Goski One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    I meant I'll use my Mates Invites to get the irregular skier friends some discount on their day passes. Agreed that they wouldn't really appreciate first tracks. Got to be reasonably motivated to be up and ready early enough for those.
     
  32. emkae

    emkae One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Just received my spam email from Vail for the Epic Pass. It will be interesting to see how the various reservation systems go in the US over the upcoming winter. If we need to have a reservation system in place for OZ for next year, hopefully the US experience will sort out any issues in how this works

    More info here
     
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