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22 Designs Lynx NTN Binding

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by skifree, Sep 25, 2018.

  1. Boodwah

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    they are much easier to mount than meidjo
    paper jig, 6 geometric holes
     
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  2. buckwheat

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    Weird - at 56mm for those Lynx, I presume they would behave the same as my Lynx - ie would not be that effective in locking the boot in properly? Unless my TX Pro's have a non-standard width, but that seems unlikely. Skifree I presume that width was based on one single click in?

    I have also heard back from 22 designs - their comment was "We have seen that problem before. It usually is caused by too much friction in the pivot where the front lever attaches to the base. Unfortunately it is really hard to get that pin out".

    Not sure on why there is too much friction!?! I may WD40 the carp out of it and see how that goes.
     
  3. skifree

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    I'm only aware of one click to engage. The tour lock is not meant to adjust the pin dimensions but simply put in place a mechanical stop to the overcentre cam movement (which is the release mechanism) when put under pressure that is more than the springs can restrain.

    If the boot inside cone to inside cone is 58 it should not be an issue, it means there is 2mm compression of each set of springs which is holding you in. My own Meidjo's measured out at ~56 and they work OK.

    Telemark Pyrenees have said it is "impossible to adjust" anything in the front pins on the Meidjo, the design of the tech pin set ups are all pretty much the same, so I'd be surprised if any can be adjusted. So the only current solution (I'd love to be corrected) to a problem is a replacement of the whole tech toe part.


    Can you remind me what your issue / problem is?
     
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  4. buckwheat

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    On clicking in, the pins do not hold my boot in. Much lateral slop. And then locking the lever actually brings the pins in more, which as you said, is not what is supposed to happen.

    Its a minor whinge, i still love the lynx, just wanted to see if i could fix the issue
     
  5. skifree

    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Based on your current advice it's replacement jobbie, better act while you have some warrantee.

    Sounds like the cams are too short by a bees dick, but this is only a guess.
     
  6. buckwheat

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    Yeah ive asked about a replacement, will see what they say.
     
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  7. Telemark Phat

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    I've seen the same thing happen on some one else's binding.
     
  8. buckwheat

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    Ah good, unlikely to be operator error then!
     
  9. buckwheat

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    Replacement toe pieces have arrived. Seems to be a slightly revised pin design. New ones on top, old ones on bottom.
     
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  10. heiric

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    hello everyone, it seems like the Lynx is finally available again with shipment starting end of October. Does anyone know, if there have been technical alterations on this "new" production to improve the topics discussed above?
     
  11. rowdyflat

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    I am glad that I am an old retro grouch 75 mm fart and have a simple binding that works.
     
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  12. skifree

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    The Lynx works very well. Skis nice, tours well.

    Is light weight at 500g/binding for ntn and compared to late 75mm.
     
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    What skifree said!
     
  14. snowgum

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    So is that around half the weight of an Outlaw X? Ish?

    Hard to recall when Yankee sites quote Lbs oz first. Ta.
     
  15. rowdyflat

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    "Its a minor whinge, i still love the lynx, just wanted to see if i could fix the issue.On clicking in, the pins do not hold my boot in. Much lateral slop. And then locking the lever actually brings the pins in more, which as you said, is not what is supposed to happen. so reliability is a major issue."
    I am sure they are fantastic but find switcbacks good and reliable about 665 g each .
    Have once had a binding shit itself and had to ski on one foot.
    I realize all new ideas have their problems before all is good.
    As others have said elsewhere I am waiting for the development of lighter plastic tele boots.
     
  16. skifree

    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Go here for my own weighing of Lynx and meidjo out of the box. Can't say i know how much an Outlaw weighs apart from to be able to say in my view after picking it up in the shop it's a boat anchor. If I get time I'll weigh one next time I'm in the shop and it's quiet enough.

    The Lynx and Meidjo do all that is needed, the additional weight is not required.

    https://www.ski.com.au/xf/threads/the-bc-chatter-thread.47700/page-290#post-3983380
     
  17. skifree

    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    To get lighter boots people have to create demand by moving to NTN. If we sit on 75mm the development of NTN including lighter boots will continue to drift off into the horizon.

    NTN has been around a while now. The Meidjo has been around for a while now. As have heavier NTN bindings. Most issues have been worked out.

    The Lynx is newish but has been through a season of beta test that would have flushed out a few issues.

    Pretty much all pin tech toes suffer from the odd production issue with a pair now and then. It's not normally an actual failure but a fault in production.
     
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  18. Untele-whippet

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    There is a rumour that Meidjo is working on a lightweight touring boot!
     
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  19. Telemark Phat

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    Clicky?
     
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  21. skifree

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    I'm not sure how far along they are with their boot but from personal experience, even when you think you are close, think again. Unless you are working with an actual boot manufacturer and just adding design content.

    DPS have been working on a boot for many years. I keep hearing that it's close but still no sign of it. I saw the mock ups when I was in Utah a couple of years ago and it certainly wasn't pretty, so hopefully it has progressed somewhat.
     
  23. rowdyflat

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    I would move to NTN if there was a significant advantage in terms of boot weight.
     
  24. snowgum

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    Have to say while I enjoy the downhills on Rustler 9, outlaw x & TX Pro, you could never accuse the set up of feeling ‘light’.

    I’m guessing each foot carries 2 kg ski + 2kg boot &800 g binding + 250g skin, so about 5kg +/-.

    This is based on 2 Mt Stirling trips & a short Frying Pan Trip at Falls. Kicker skins lighten the load/feel a bit.

    So I eagerly await news of a lighter boot & perhaps add a 22D Lynx to my QK inserts one day?
     
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    Have to say while I enjoy the downhills on Rustler 9, outlaw x & TX Pro, you could never accuse the set up of feeling ‘light’.

    I’m guessing each foot carries 2 kg ski + 2kg boot &800 g binding + 250g skin, so about 5kg +/-.

    This is based on 2 Mt Stirling trips & a short Frying Pan Trip at Falls. Kicker skins lighten the load/feel a bit.

    So I eagerly await news of a lighter boot & perhaps add a 22D Lynx to my QK inserts one day?
     
  26. dossa5

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    Ok team heres one to help me work out. I have some carvers coming @74mm underfoot my first preference Meijdos are too wide to be mounted. Although the screw holes fit comfortably within the margin part of the bottom mount frame overhangs by about 3mm either side. This to me would put too much strain onto the frame.
    My next choice would be the Lynx followed by the OutlawX with the trusty Freeide last. I know the Freeride would work but trying out the lightweight bindings first.
    Main issue is not to have any mount frame overhanging.
     
  27. skifree

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    Option A, get a proper sized ski.

    Option B run the Lynx.

    Option C run a pair of ATK Newmarks, actually make this Option B and the Lynx Option C.


    I'll have a look at my Meidjos when I get home.
     
  28. telecrag

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    Option C

    Drill holes for every binding on the market.
     
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  29. dossa5

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    Cmon ya clowns it's not a bbb thread just carvers for hard pack days :)
     
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    Id go the Freerides, light is right for touring.
     
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    @dossa5 you could smash it on riva3s!
     
  32. skifree

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    Wailer 99s (now 100) are my carvers.:)
     
  33. dossa5

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    Noooooooooooooo
     
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    Freerides or outlaws. Save Meijdos or Lynda lynxs for skis your going to do some skiing with.
     
  35. rowdyflat

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    If its just hardpack carvers then weight is your friend and any binding would do= go heavy metal.
    do you think 3mm over each side is too much even for a binding that breaks easily.
    Sorry but Wailer 99s arent carvers.
     
  36. dossa5

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    I wouldve thought technique before weight perhaps they go hand in hand.
    Pretty sure binding frames designed to sit on a flat deck.
     
  37. skifree

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    This. ^^^^

    Fat / heavy folks do not necessarily ski or carve better. It’s all about technique.
     
  38. telecrag

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    And head movements, top down!
     
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  39. Telemark Phat

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    Scalp up.
     
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    Heavy hat or light hat or no hat to help with that?
     
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    Had a look at my Ms and reckon it a bit less than 3mm over hang. I don’t think it’s an issue. The plastic sub frame is capped by the aluminium top frame at this point and pretty close to fixings. The shovel on the carvers will lead the way anyway.
     
  42. dossa5

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    No overhang allowed
    What drives the shovel, the hip connected to the thigh connecting to....and on it goes
    Gotta mount them right skifree some loaded forces there
     
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    Get out the grinder then.
     
  44. Untele-whippet

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    Puts hand up.
     
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    The hands of a surgeon.:thumbs:
     
  46. dossa5

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    For you skifree
     
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    Geez that looks like a much more sophisticated version of an old Voile binding that purported to be “step in” but wasn’t.
     
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    Interesting revisions, particularly the toe. I suspect the problems were in manufacturing tolerances and if they were it's nice they were designed out.

    A quote "(Ed. Note: This only affected the few who were not using their climbing post – so for most users, a non-issue.)" am I the only one who hardly bothers with the climbing post am i just weird?