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22 Designs Outlaw NTN Binding

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by skifree, Oct 9, 2019.

  1. skifree

    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    It appears we don’t have a plain 22 Designs Outlaw NTN Binding thread. Till now.

    So how much does it really weigh? Came up a query this week.




    Complete pair of Outlaw in the box.



    The box only. So we have.

    1742 - 93 = 1649 / 2 = 824.5 / binding.
     
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    A chap we were touring with in NZ had icing issues under his duckbutt when in walk mode causing him to walk out of his Outlaws twice whilst skinning on terrain where this was undesirable!
     
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    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Kate gave up on them after icing issues too. Steve loves them....
     
  4. skifree

    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Mostly on the basis of the break body parts to break binding parts ratio. So far the binding is winning as if doesn’t break he doesn’t have to repair it.
     
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    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Binding breaking is my catastrophic release method!
     
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    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    I’m not familiar with the Outlaw’s particular icing issues.

    But my theory is all termark bindings are / will be subject to some sort of icing issue in some conditions due the fact of the binding movement.

    I also have a theory that icing issues in telemark bindings is reduced by better technique.
     
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  7. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    My Freerides ice up under the binding, you feel it pretty quick though, and stab it out with the pole. Only on powder days, it gets compacted in there over time. Have never had issues stepping in or out though. I remember Kate faffing for about 15 mins one day trying to get in her Outlaws.
     
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    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    You can now use a binding with better release with breakage still as the fall back.;)
     
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    Ive got a set of both outlaw and outlaw x. Never had any icing issues, but certainly getting in and out is more of a faff than it should be!
     
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    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Did about 35 days on the Outlaw X this winter. Never iced up.

    The action is very like Axls but there's more stability and feel - that and the TX Pros made a quantum improvement in my turns.

    Step-in is as easy as it gets; step-out by holding down a tab on either side with a pole and lifting the heel.

    I don't have the brakes as the Safeout release plates under them do.

    They're relatively heavy but that's 22D's style. The engineering on them is beautiful - the only word for it.
     
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    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    I've used silicone spray in the past to counter icing. Switchbacks were prone to it - underneath the toe box when in tour mode.
     
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    The icing issue in NZ was in bindings with brakes.
    Dunno if the brakes contributed to the problem or not?
     
  13. dossa5

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    Skifree what do you know about issues with Crispi boots(small) and the OutlawX(small) bindings.
    Sorry if already been discussed.
     
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    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Nothing first hand, I was asked about this by a large Crispi wearer in relation to Meidjos, but I think that was in response to them hearing rumours rather than having an issue.

    I did do some measuring of boot length (cone to duckbutt) as a result and could not find anything of note in the very very small sample I was able to look at.

    Given the duck butt catcher on most NTN bindings is on some sort of sliding rail with springs to hold it tight to the duckbutt it should not be super critical. But I'll look at my Ms and her Freerides tonight and sleep on it.

    Looking at the Dostie article it's possible the person who triggered this actually has issues with their Meidjo trigger (the red bit under the binding) rather than the duckbutt catcher. But who knows really. Most binding issues are layered stories of issues I find.

    @Telemark Phat I could not see anything in your link, something face book, something nothing comes up in search, something something. Sorry.
     
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    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    @dossa5 I only saw your request by accident. To tag someone use @ then start typing their name, names should start appearing to then select. The background auto search is a little slow and is case sensitive but it does work.
     
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    you prolly have to be a member of the group. time to give up and make a profile. May I suggest un-un-tele-whippet-free?
     
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    Oh, the unrespect, the unrespect of it all!
     
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    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Naa, I can leave it.
     
  21. dossa5

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    Couldnt agree more.
    Come to think of it never really had issues with bindings some just better than others
    And you know after I saw a demo of Lynx in the bumps (playing Elvis I think) I kinda lost all respect
    Maybe telegirl could show him how to bump;)
     
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    Cant be bothered looking at the issue, as Crispi don't fit me, but my older boots started getting some significant play, that I sort of noticed (thought I had cable stretch) but was really obvious when I swapped. IMO 5 seasons of committed punter, then you need new boots, so maybe two seasons for a local/pro. The butt wears out, changes shape. Need replaceable like the first Garmont maybe, although the plastic of the boot has also changed (still life left though).

    Kind of like how cleats wear on bike shoes.
     
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    Any tele binding can ice up. Its the nature of a heel that lifts up.
    Less so with a new plastic slippery plate .
    It depends on the type of snow esp wettish deep new snow and falling with the boot heel up so that snow is forced under the toes by a wedging action.