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Question 5:2 Diet

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by NewTurns, Aug 8, 2016.

  1. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    This is the one I use.
    https://peteevans.com/recipes/cacao-and-carob-treats/
    Tip: stir in bowl for a while until it thickens a bit. If you pour it out too thin the edges are not really useable. I often leave it for 10 or 15 minutes before pouring into the baking sheet.
     
  2. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    LOL
    I've got a lot of friends from the islands. Have you seen what they eat? It's not Coconut Oil anymore - it's massive buckets of KFC and 2l bottles of Coke - Coke Zero if they're being good... no wonder!
     
  3. NewTurns

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    Well done. I still like a bit of antioxidant rich, flavour packed fine red ned once in a while...
     
  4. NewTurns

    NewTurns One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Like the 'steely resolve' bit!
     
  5. NewTurns

    NewTurns One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    e.g. not a 5:2 fast day today. :nono:
     
  6. gareth_oau

    gareth_oau Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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  7. NewTurns

    NewTurns One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Beer is a plausible candidate for that Venn trifecta...
     
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  8. Telemark Phat

    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    It fulfils the tasty circle at the very least.
     
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    skifree Sort of old & definitely grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    I think it is made for the Venn Trifecta.

    Or is that just a good name for a beer?
     
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    BoofHead One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    I made a post awhile back about one of my colleagues, who is a chronic whinger, pointing out my apple cost far less than his snickers whilst talking about cost of eating healthy. He has high cholesterol levels and complains because his doctor won't just give him more/higher medication. Was hospitalised last year, excessive use of Nurefen apparently messed with his kidneys.
     
  11. gareth_oau

    gareth_oau Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    I would probably put chocolate in the trifecta (until I eat it of course)
     
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    Red_switch Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: 30 Day

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    Chowder11 Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Mine

    1 cup coconut oil (shhhhh dont tell the doctors)
    1/2 cup cacao powder
    1/2 cup shredded coconut
    1/2 cup maple syrup
    1/2 cup almond butter

    Mix all together over a low heat until it has all mixed well, dont boil or burn it.
    On a baking tray lay out about 2 cups of frozen mixed berries and pour the melted mix across.
    Chuck in the freezer and it usually takes about 2-3 hours to set.
    Keep it in the freezer.

    Enjoy
     
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    Funny stuff.
    Despite eating shit food occasionally and drinking when and what I want, I've spent the majority of my time eating healthy over the years. On a recent middle age check up my doc put the fear of God into me and lectured me about being slightly overweight. He said I was a prime Candidate for heart disease, diabetes and a few others and said he didn't expect my results to be good.
    2 weeks laterwhen the results came back he told me they were exceptionally good and I had nothing to worry about. Keep fit, mix up the food
     
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    gareth_oau Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    I dont have a GP. I have a prescription writer LOL.

    And if a GP relies solely on a BMI then run for your life
     
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  16. Born2ski

    Born2ski Part of the Furniture

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    To get my chocolate fix I make a chocolate fruit smoothie. Low in fat with natural sugars.

    1 banana
    1/4 cup of frozen mango
    1/2 an apple
    2 strawberries
    1/2 cup of baby spinach
    200ml of almond milk (unsweetened )
    1/2 teaspoon of Dutch cocoa (from Aldi)

    Can change the fruits around depending on what's in season and on special.
     
  17. DJM

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    I actually have several GP's depending on what I want/need. :D

    It was the blood work (cholesterol etc) that he was expecting to be whack. He had me convinced I was going to die. :)
    ....but yeah I knew the BMI was going to throw things. 5"11 and 92 Kg (at the moment) dosnt take into account the training etc. as you well know. :thumbs:
     
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    Chowder11 Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    BMI is a load of horseshit.

    Im 6'4 - 105 kgs. Body fat is around 15-17% (and dropping for summer). Train 6 times per week even more some weeks.
    BMI tells me i am in the overweight category.
    My training partner who both lifts and rides with me is also 6'4 and 108-10kgs and his body fat would be in single digits. Making him in the obese category, yet the bloke looks like a damn fitness model, and he is bloody fit also, its not just for looks.
    This has been done to death but it doesn't account for people who lift weights and have some sort of resemblance of muscle.
    The unfortunate thing is the gov relies on this basic stats so in the governments eyes I'm part of Australia's obesity crisis.
    Time for a revamp
     
  19. gareth_oau

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    We know all of this, but it seems that many GPs, with years of uni education, dont know, or choose not to care
     
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  20. DJM

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    I wasn't concerned about the BMI so much as the blood work. I have a reasonable understanding of general health and well being stuff but this guy threw me.
     
  21. Mister Tee on XC Skis

    Mister Tee on XC Skis A Local Ski Pass: Silver

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    BMI is a load of old betty swollocks . Lean and highly trained muscle weighs more than fat does. I do not have love handles :p and my legs when I see them in a mirror make me think "Oh my gosh ! are they my legs? They looks like diagram of the human musculature in homo sapiens!!" . ;).

    My trousers keep falling down and the belt is done up to the last hole on the belt.I eat North Indian Veg. ;South Indian veg . and some SE Asian veg. food It is nearly all unprocessed food. I also exercise my 47 y.o brain with playing music, keeping up literacy in 3 other languages, reading novels and so forth.That way my last few ex hippie space cadet brain cells get a work out too.:).
    I feel and look younger than I am . Many of my peers from the good old days of my youth have become more than corpulent and it becomes hard for someone with an untrained eye to ascertain whether they are in fact standing up or sitting down , such is the "Jabba the Hut " like form that their transmogrification has taken.:eek:.
     
  22. Telemark Phat

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    BMI is designed for measuring populations rather than individuals. Using BMI on individuals is committing the ecological fallacy, however for the majority of the population it is a useful measure at the individual scale. If it fails because you're too fit that's only a good thing.
     
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  23. gettingtooold

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    I bloody work hard physically. Love my red meat but hate meat fat. Eat very little fruit apart from mangos and enjoy my fish, salads and veggies. I love fish. Have sangas most work days for lunch made with butter and no way margarine or any other spread. Like my beer and the odd red. Been the same weight for years and about right and all good according to my quack after a recent check up and blood tests. I only eat when I'm hungry and not at designated times and tend to graze through the day. If I'm not working, I tend to eat bugger all. Maybe I'm just lucky or is it in the genes or upbringing?. I can't put weight on.
     
  24. Telemark Phat

    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    All trolling aside, why don't you use cocoa butter for the fat in your home made chocolate rather than the coconut oil and almond butter? It will be real chocolate and if you get your temperature control and ratio of cocoa powder to cocoa butter correct you'll be able to emulsify the two and make chocolate which is solid at room temperature.
     
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    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    Oh man,... fat is flavour!
     
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    Oh man,... fat is flavour![/QUOTE]
    Love the flavour too. I cut it off after it's been cooked.
     
  27. Mister Tee on XC Skis

    Mister Tee on XC Skis A Local Ski Pass: Silver

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    If you can heal yourself no matter what your malady may be then you, yourself are the best doctor you will ever find. However if you study Hindi/ Urdu/ Persian for nearly 20 years you will always find yourself writing in English and dropping words such as 'the' ; 'an' and 'a'. I am not sure if there is a cure for that. It is the price you pay for being multi lingual in languages that have no definite article.
     
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    Well that made sense.
     
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    If you can heal a cerebral edema without a doctor I'll doff my hat to you good sir.
     
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    Mister Tee on XC Skis A Local Ski Pass: Silver

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    I don't plan to ascend higher than 5500 M anywhere while Trekking in N. India or elsewhere. However cerebral or pulmonary edema can strike at lower altitudes but it is less commonly reported.
     
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    Mr T, your English usage is fantastic.

    A
     
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    I got pulmonary oedema in Breckenridge (not that high...sleep at 3000/3500?) really 'effing crook. 3rd or 4th day went to the medical centre with bubbling lungs and feeling like my head was in a vice and shite all over. Oxygen was down to 64% and got the whole crash cart/stat treatment...holiday buggered....wife cracked it 'cos had to ski on her own.... you don't want it and shouldn't have let it run along like I did....
     
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    I have trekked up to Lake Mani Mahesh (4170 M ) in NW India in 2014 and had no real dramas with acute mountain sickness and I hiked up Mulhacen Peak in Spain last year (3483 M) and was just short of breath really. I don't sleep well above 2500 M. and I get a headache and lose my appetite above 3500 M.
    If you ascend by a car to a 4600 + M pass then you will feel very ill quite soon.
     
  36. gareth_oau

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    This is my "obese" son

    [​IMG]
     
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    Oh an outlier, that's it, BMI must be ineffective.
     
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    Thats a good idea. Ill give it a try.

    Might play around with it, I love the flavour of the almond butter however so id like to keep that in.
     
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    Yep. We flew from sea level into Denver and car straight to Breck. Had done it the same once before no dramas. Funny you either ride through it or go down in a screaming pile....
     
  40. gareth_oau

    gareth_oau Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Only as effective or ineffective as the people are who use it incorrectly
     
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    Im sure your son would be stoked to hear the government considers him over-weight
     
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    Way back in my Army days, the RSM at the time must have read an article or had an article read for him. He asked the unit doctor to supply him with everybodys BMI. Those considered obese according to BMI were placed in the fat farm which is remedial PT after hours. We all got a chuckle seeing our unit PTI on the list. A Fitness freak, body builder who could be seen regularly out running in full battle gear.
    If you're that interested in knowing your body composition, $80-90 for a dexa scan. Even then I expect there would be variations in results based on hydration and activity levels at time of scan.

    I'm currently 6'2' and down from 103 to 93kg. Still overweight according to chart. 89kg seems to be the magical figure for me to get out of the charts overweight zone.
     
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    Way back in my Army days, the RSM at the time must have read an article or had an article read for him. He asked the unit doctor to supply him with everybodys BMI. Those considered obese according to BMI were placed in the fat farm which is remedial PT after hours. We all got a chuckle seeing our unit PTI on the list. A Fitness freak, body builder who could be seen regularly out running in full battle gear.
    If you're that interested in knowing your body composition, $80-90 for a dexa scan. Even then I expect there would be variations in results based on hydration and activity levels at time of scan.

    I'm currently 6'2' and down from 103 to 93kg. Still overweight according to chart. 89kg seems to be the magical figure for me to get out of the charts overweight zone.
     
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    BoofHead One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    for anybody looking to go down the whole food path, the little gem of advice below is a good one.

    "at the supermarket, stay out of the aisles and shop along the walls."

    depends on your supermarket I suppose but not a bad guide line.
     
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    Hydration shouldn't impact DXA results. I had a bunch of DXA scans and compared them to calipers, bioimpedance scales etc.

    Calipers were okay as long as you adjusted for the error in the common formulas (consistently underestimated bodyfat by around 2%) but the scales were all over the place.

    Edit - actually, maybe hydration does affect DXA. I can't remember exactly how the calculation works.
     
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    BMI data was last century. Post war rationings, scarce protein and everyone choofing durries and skinny. Look at old photos from the 30's 40's and 50's.... lots of very lean people....
     
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    I need to go back to my Form 4 (Year 9!) weight to be within range. Even lean and marathon fit at 21 I was BMI overweight. Such a crude un-nuanced metric....but I still need to lose fat...:emoji_fork_and_knife:
     
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    Sorry to be all facty but... no it doesn't. Just about the middle of overweight category
     
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    BMI is very very simplistic. It's not everything - nor is it meant to be. But you look at population level statistics, and the correlation of 35,40,50 BMI folks getting their 3rd & 4th heart operation to go with their chronic diabetes and myriad other health issues - can't be ignored.

    No doctor, dietitian or other health professional would say anything about a fit, healthy athlete (footballer, bodybuilder, whatever) who's BMI is 27-30. It's not meant to be a personal guide to living.
     
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