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AFTT (Another F**king Tent Thread)

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by uncle buck, Jul 26, 2020.

  1. uncle buck

    uncle buck Hard Yards

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    You have the opportunity to buy one tent for the rest of your days on the main range. The tent is just for you in the snow but needs to accommodate you and herself for bushwalks. You don't know much, but you've learned that a vestibule is a thing of beauty. Dear Lord, make it light. You're not getting any younger. Your philosophy is to buy once, even if it costs more upfront. Which tent do you buy?
     
  2. Chaeron

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    Two person - surely a Hilleberg.
     
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    Current WE First Arrows are getting a workout with the climb8 crew. Continues to get solid reviews.
     
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  4. Team Weasel

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    Hilleberg - Allak or Jannu sound in your ballpark.
     
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    GS Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Allak or Staika look very nice for 2P option, or possibly a Tarptent Scarp 2 if very weight conscious
     
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    No love for msr here?
     
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  8. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I have a Zoid, its a great little tent, if the rest of the range is as good, I would recommend them as a product.

    Ive been looking too. Some of the Montbell kit looks really good.

    Or if you can drop $10K on it like @Kletterer a boutique with history would be great!
     
  9. uncle buck

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    I'm very keen on Hilleberg, but the Nallo or Nallo GT are both lighter I think
     
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  10. uncle buck

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    10K is erm....a bit much!
     
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  11. uncle buck

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    Yes - I'm thinking the Nallo 2
     
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  12. uncle buck

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    These look great. Thanks - especially the UL version
     
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  14. uncle buck

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    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Sure is! My old Expedition tent is a titch over 3kg. It does have 4 crossing poles, you can sit on it just about. I see there are still plenty in that weight range, but there are so many lighter options that can handle anything Australia will throw at them. Hence the new thing of taking a small 2 person for 1, as its only hundreds of grams, for more room.
     
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  16. Moondog55

    Moondog55 One of Us

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    Actually if set up with the pegs to survive a big blow probably closer to 5 kilos, dead men and snow pegs are heavy and you can't always rely on using skis and ice axes alone.
    It weighs the same as my older Fairydown Plateau but longer and wider internally. Part of me thinks the older tent plus my modification is stronger but the extra pole set plus HD fly adds another kilo again
     
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  17. Team Weasel

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    Weirdly I agree and disagree at the same time!

    I often roll with a Mountain Hardware Direkt2 in winter - single wall tent, great design, optional vestibule, and tough enough for alpine use, and it weighs 1.4kg with a Tyvek undersheet.

    If it were just about weight, I'd just use that setup all the time. But in the Alps here, too often you can get hit with rain that ain't so good for single wall tents.

    That's maybe where a Hilleberg shines - yeah it weighs more, but it is easy to setup in bad weather, doesn't need finicky setup, and will keep you comfy in the worst possible conditions. So just as with everything in this business, the answer to what's the best tent is 'it depends.' o_O
     
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  18. uncle buck

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    I’m pretty much sold on the Nallo 2 for exactly these reasons
     
  19. hpsauce

    hpsauce A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Personally....
    Tunnel design - 2 pole
    Pitch and pack all as one
    t cross-section light weight alloy pegs
    Mini bungee on peg loops for base of tent.
    Proper bathtub ground sheet 5000mm minimum.
    Fly 3000 minimum
    Fully enclosed inner with venting zips on door and ceiling
    ....This all should be @2.5 kegs in the high end tents without compromising durability. Which is carryable for one. But for 2 (one carries poles/pegs, one carries tent) it is v nice.I reckon you'd need to add on 500-700 grams for the extended vestibule versions - extra pole - for the luxury/weight compromise.
    Hilleberg, Tatonka, Macpac(Minaret if they are still good?), Helsport, Terra Nova/Wild Country, Wechsel....all do tents with these specs. The American market tents seem not to have the same level of waterproof ratings at the Euro brands.

    Also, one thing I have noticed (and not having seem all these tents I don't know how you would compare this) is that shorter pole segments are very handy for packing. Some just seem to have shorter pole segments and some longer. I found the very old Minaret segments to be really quite short which made for great packability!
     
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  20. Moondog55

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    Short poles equals better packability but with lowered strength, it's a choice you need to make and decide which is more important.
     
  21. Moondog55

    Moondog55 One of Us

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    Also don't discount the beauty of being able to stand up and stretch inside your winter tent.
    So some of the high end single pole tipis, although when a liners and extra snow pegs are added to the base weight they are usually quite heavy.
    Something like a Black Diamond Megalite but with a solid inner works well in winter if you are less than 180 tall
     
  22. hpsauce

    hpsauce A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Lower strength? Is it that the weakest point is the join/s??? Or is it theoretically more bend per section?
     
  23. Moondog55

    Moondog55 One of Us

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    I think it is a mix of both.
     
  24. Ricardo64

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    Uncle Buck you wont regret a Hilleberg.. and neither will she!!! they are trully beautiful...I mean tents
     
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  25. telecrag

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    Had a go of @Untele-whippet 's Montbell Stellaridge2 last week, small 2 person, but at 1.8kg its a one person citadel, nice and bomber. No good for taller people though I think, fine for me.
     
  26. Chaeron

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    One can get a separate Snowfly with enhanced durability and proofing for the Stellaridge which enhances its bomber status... summer flysheet, winter flysheet....

    https://en.montbell.jp/products/goods/list.php?category=203000

    The pricing is also extremely competitive, and they come in 1- 6 person sizes...
     
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  27. telecrag

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    Seems like great kit, pity the Australian store doesn't get the good stuff in it looks. Well made, light, I will be having a chat with my mate at Mont about the competition. Haven't seen the new Dragonfly yet, looks to be really good quality, with much higher waterheads than most on the market, but Hille style weights.
     
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    Have just bought a Nemo Kunai. Faultless workmanship with great head height. 1.9kg. Packs really small.

    No real vestibule for anything less than boots and pack though
     
  29. Chaeron

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    Noice! How’s the durability and is it 3 or 4 season? How will it go on the Main range in inclement weather or is it a spring tourer?
     
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    I've been eyeing off that one. I don't *think* that I need hardcore mountaineering durability for trips in Vic, but having a tent that will actually fit 2 adult humans for snow use would be very nice.
     
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  31. skifree

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  32. axellotta

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    Proper 4 season, however it is only 2.5 poles so will not be as strong as a 3 crossing pole dome. That said, the two poles are restrained together at a central knuckle so they don’t slide over one another and this adds significant rigidity, and there are more tie out points than on the Queen Mary.

    Unlike many other 4 season / expedition style tents it has two enormous windows that make it suitable for the other 3 seasons.

    Downside is the floor fabric is a lot thinner than the Macpac / WIlderness Equip offerings so I’d recommend a footprint for anything other than snow or alpine meadow use. Oh, and it is luxurious in floor space for one, but you need to use tapered pads if you have two.
     
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  33. telecrag

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    Ive been looking at it as a one person option, can have pack inside then, so vestibule should be big enough to boil in? Still waiting to have a look/ask about the 4 season Moondance though, its 1.5kg full weight. Smaller inside, but apparently bigger than my older 3 season one.
     
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  34. axellotta

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    As a one person shelter it’s just awesome but I personally wouldn’t boil inside the vestibule when zipped up. The fly tapers pretty quickly towards the ground.
     
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    Yep. Can see that in the pic.

    Pack could lift it a bit but not much.
     
  36. crackson

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    It's like mtb's and skis. No one item is perfect for all situations.
     
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  37. telecrag

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    The other thing I cant work out is how they talk about the prow, for wind, but then your door is facing into the weather, Id rather face it the other way.

    I can boil inside the tent, but prefer the vestibule.
     
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  38. axellotta

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    Yeah, that's not my favourite feature either, a second entry would probably only add another couple hundred grams. Best option would be to face it arse-end into the wind and build a low snow wall.
     
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  39. uncle buck

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    I went with the Nallo 2 and took it out for a few nights during this last storm. I love the tent. The big vestibule is really valuable for cooking and storage during a few days of blizzard. The tent is super easy to put up and handled strong winds and snowloading very well. Thanks for all your advice.
    Blue sky powder day//

    Morning view through the top of the vestibule


    Bit of snow during the night///


    Dead branches make for good snow pegs..
     
  40. DidSurfNowSki

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    Does anyone have experience with one of these ???

    https://zpacks.com/products/altaplex-tent

    Probably more a backpacking/bikepacking tent than an alpine touring tent ?

    At 6' 2" finding a big enough 1 man tent is a challenge.
     
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    Doesn't look burly enough for our windy times.
     
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    If you pitch it really well, it will probably stand up to a fair bit, but I wouldn't think "bomber" really. A mate has a Tarptent, its really well made, light as, not a big fan of the translucent thing myself, and it did get flattened in a storm on the Nullabour. Mind you, they airshipped a replacement pole to him where he was.
     
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    I do like the look of this for everything but snow.
     
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    All that mesh, you'd have an indoor snow storm each puff of wind not to mention all the frozen condensation falling down on your head.
     
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    The Nallo looks solid, and people love them. The Soulo looks easier to pitch in bad conditions (and perhaps stands up to gales better), but that extra room in bad conditions for the same weight may cancel that out.
     
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    I have an earlier Tarptent Moment that I use for solo walking in the warmer months. The single skin design requires lots of ventilation to combat condensation. Lots of ventilation means cold if caught out in adverse conditions. I do like It though, great access, lots of room and 800gms or so.
     
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