1. There's more to this forum than meets the eye!

    We have a vibrant community here conversing about all sorts of non-snow topics such as music, sport, politics and technology. Simply register to reveal all our Après topics or continue browsing and reading as a guest.

    NOTE: This notice may be closed.

    Dismiss Notice

AFTT (Another F**king Tent Thread)

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by uncle buck, Jul 26, 2020.

  1. uncle buck

    uncle buck Hard Yards

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2002
    Messages:
    116
    Likes Received:
    44
    You have the opportunity to buy one tent for the rest of your days on the main range. The tent is just for you in the snow but needs to accommodate you and herself for bushwalks. You don't know much, but you've learned that a vestibule is a thing of beauty. Dear Lord, make it light. You're not getting any younger. Your philosophy is to buy once, even if it costs more upfront. Which tent do you buy?
     
  2. Chaeron

    Chaeron A Local Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2014
    Messages:
    5,565
    Likes Received:
    8,851
    Location:
    Glen Iris, Melbourne
    Two person - surely a Hilleberg.
     
    Ricardo64, sbm_, NeoSamurai and 3 others like this.
  3. Majikthise

    Majikthise Sage Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 1970
    Messages:
    31,465
    Likes Received:
    16,856
    Location:
    Blue Mts
    Current WE First Arrows are getting a workout with the climb8 crew. Continues to get solid reviews.
     
    nfip and uncle buck like this.
  4. Team Weasel

    Team Weasel One of Us

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2015
    Messages:
    384
    Likes Received:
    819
    Hilleberg - Allak or Jannu sound in your ballpark.
     
    Ricardo64, uncle buck and Chaeron like this.
  5. GS

    GS Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    May 20, 2004
    Messages:
    10,994
    Likes Received:
    13,646
    Location:
    Yarra Valley Vic
    Allak or Staika look very nice for 2P option, or possibly a Tarptent Scarp 2 if very weight conscious
     
    uncle buck likes this.
  6. crackson

    crackson A Local Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2006
    Messages:
    9,622
    Likes Received:
    7,689
    Location:
    Snowy Mountains
    No love for msr here?
     
  7. Kletterer

    Kletterer Thredbo Doughnut Tragic Moderator

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2014
    Messages:
    19,282
    Likes Received:
    20,631
    Location:
    Canberra
  8. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2007
    Messages:
    29,184
    Likes Received:
    39,172
    I have a Zoid, its a great little tent, if the rest of the range is as good, I would recommend them as a product.

    Ive been looking too. Some of the Montbell kit looks really good.

    Or if you can drop $10K on it like @Kletterer a boutique with history would be great!
     
  9. uncle buck

    uncle buck Hard Yards

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2002
    Messages:
    116
    Likes Received:
    44
    I'm very keen on Hilleberg, but the Nallo or Nallo GT are both lighter I think
     
    Ricardo64 likes this.
  10. uncle buck

    uncle buck Hard Yards

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2002
    Messages:
    116
    Likes Received:
    44
    10K is erm....a bit much!
     
    Majikthise likes this.
  11. uncle buck

    uncle buck Hard Yards

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2002
    Messages:
    116
    Likes Received:
    44
    Yes - I'm thinking the Nallo 2
     
    Ricardo64 and Chaeron like this.
  12. uncle buck

    uncle buck Hard Yards

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2002
    Messages:
    116
    Likes Received:
    44
    These look great. Thanks - especially the UL version
     
  13. Moondog55

    Moondog55 One of Us

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2014
    Messages:
    1,898
    Likes Received:
    967
    uncle buck likes this.
  14. uncle buck

    uncle buck Hard Yards

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2002
    Messages:
    116
    Likes Received:
    44
  15. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2007
    Messages:
    29,184
    Likes Received:
    39,172
    Sure is! My old Expedition tent is a titch over 3kg. It does have 4 crossing poles, you can sit on it just about. I see there are still plenty in that weight range, but there are so many lighter options that can handle anything Australia will throw at them. Hence the new thing of taking a small 2 person for 1, as its only hundreds of grams, for more room.
     
    uncle buck likes this.
  16. Moondog55

    Moondog55 One of Us

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2014
    Messages:
    1,898
    Likes Received:
    967
    Actually if set up with the pegs to survive a big blow probably closer to 5 kilos, dead men and snow pegs are heavy and you can't always rely on using skis and ice axes alone.
    It weighs the same as my older Fairydown Plateau but longer and wider internally. Part of me thinks the older tent plus my modification is stronger but the extra pole set plus HD fly adds another kilo again
     
    #16 Moondog55, Aug 1, 2020
    Last edited: Aug 4, 2020 at 11:40 AM
  17. Team Weasel

    Team Weasel One of Us

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2015
    Messages:
    384
    Likes Received:
    819
    Weirdly I agree and disagree at the same time!

    I often roll with a Mountain Hardware Direkt2 in winter - single wall tent, great design, optional vestibule, and tough enough for alpine use, and it weighs 1.4kg with a Tyvek undersheet.

    If it were just about weight, I'd just use that setup all the time. But in the Alps here, too often you can get hit with rain that ain't so good for single wall tents.

    That's maybe where a Hilleberg shines - yeah it weighs more, but it is easy to setup in bad weather, doesn't need finicky setup, and will keep you comfy in the worst possible conditions. So just as with everything in this business, the answer to what's the best tent is 'it depends.' o_O
     
    sbm_, uncle buck and Chaeron like this.
  18. uncle buck

    uncle buck Hard Yards

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2002
    Messages:
    116
    Likes Received:
    44
    I’m pretty much sold on the Nallo 2 for exactly these reasons
     
  19. hpsauce

    hpsauce A Local Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    May 19, 2008
    Messages:
    5,522
    Likes Received:
    3,156
    Personally....
    Tunnel design - 2 pole
    Pitch and pack all as one
    t cross-section light weight alloy pegs
    Mini bungee on peg loops for base of tent.
    Proper bathtub ground sheet 5000mm minimum.
    Fly 3000 minimum
    Fully enclosed inner with venting zips on door and ceiling
    ....This all should be @2.5 kegs in the high end tents without compromising durability. Which is carryable for one. But for 2 (one carries poles/pegs, one carries tent) it is v nice.I reckon you'd need to add on 500-700 grams for the extended vestibule versions - extra pole - for the luxury/weight compromise.
    Hilleberg, Tatonka, Macpac(Minaret if they are still good?), Helsport, Terra Nova/Wild Country, Wechsel....all do tents with these specs. The American market tents seem not to have the same level of waterproof ratings at the Euro brands.

    Also, one thing I have noticed (and not having seem all these tents I don't know how you would compare this) is that shorter pole segments are very handy for packing. Some just seem to have shorter pole segments and some longer. I found the very old Minaret segments to be really quite short which made for great packability!
     
  20. Moondog55

    Moondog55 One of Us

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2014
    Messages:
    1,898
    Likes Received:
    967
    Short poles equals better packability but with lowered strength, it's a choice you need to make and decide which is more important.
     
  21. Moondog55

    Moondog55 One of Us

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2014
    Messages:
    1,898
    Likes Received:
    967
    Also don't discount the beauty of being able to stand up and stretch inside your winter tent.
    So some of the high end single pole tipis, although when a liners and extra snow pegs are added to the base weight they are usually quite heavy.
    Something like a Black Diamond Megalite but with a solid inner works well in winter if you are less than 180 tall
     
  22. hpsauce

    hpsauce A Local Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    May 19, 2008
    Messages:
    5,522
    Likes Received:
    3,156
    Lower strength? Is it that the weakest point is the join/s??? Or is it theoretically more bend per section?
     
  23. Moondog55

    Moondog55 One of Us

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2014
    Messages:
    1,898
    Likes Received:
    967
    I think it is a mix of both.
     
  24. Ricardo64

    Ricardo64 Addicted Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2015
    Messages:
    273
    Likes Received:
    151
    Location:
    Melbourne, Victoria
    Uncle Buck you wont regret a Hilleberg.. and neither will she!!! they are trully beautiful...I mean tents
     
    Chaeron likes this.
  25. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2007
    Messages:
    29,184
    Likes Received:
    39,172
    Had a go of @Untele-whippet 's Montbell Stellaridge2 last week, small 2 person, but at 1.8kg its a one person citadel, nice and bomber. No good for taller people though I think, fine for me.
     
    skifree, Untele-whippet and Chaeron like this.
  26. Chaeron

    Chaeron A Local Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2014
    Messages:
    5,565
    Likes Received:
    8,851
    Location:
    Glen Iris, Melbourne
    One can get a separate Snowfly with enhanced durability and proofing for the Stellaridge which enhances its bomber status... summer flysheet, winter flysheet....

    https://en.montbell.jp/products/goods/list.php?category=203000

    The pricing is also extremely competitive, and they come in 1- 6 person sizes...
     
    skifree and telecrag like this.
  27. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2007
    Messages:
    29,184
    Likes Received:
    39,172
    Seems like great kit, pity the Australian store doesn't get the good stuff in it looks. Well made, light, I will be having a chat with my mate at Mont about the competition. Haven't seen the new Dragonfly yet, looks to be really good quality, with much higher waterheads than most on the market, but Hille style weights.
     
    Chaeron likes this.