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AFTT (Another F**king Tent Thread)

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by uncle buck, Jul 26, 2020.

  1. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I might give my MONT mates a wish list on a tent, would take years, but who knows. They listened to me years ago when I told them to make a good baby carrying back pack, as all of a sudden everyone was popping tin lids out, and this generation takes them with them from the start. They fully expect that by the time they are 5, they are ready for anything.
     
  2. DidSurfNowSki

    DidSurfNowSki One of them Ski Pass: Gold

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    4 season
    Inner and Fly
    Can easily fit a 189cm tall person or 2
    Lightweight
    Packs down into a matchbox
    Just pull out of the matchbox and it automatically sets itself up
    Cheap

    Shouldn't be that hard ? ;)
     
  3. Snow Blowey

    Snow Blowey Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Don't forget negative weight.
     
  4. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Our new triple skin helium layer tents actually weigh -2.5kg!
     
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  5. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    And when you put it in our new Helium pack, you will need heavier boots, just to stay on the planet!
     
  6. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yep.
     
  7. Chaeron

    Chaeron Ski-Hike-Blade-Bike-Kayak Ski Pass: Gold

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    Just love Mont tents and their gear generally - my 6 year old, old style design Mont Moondance 1 is wonderfully light and great in spring through autumn.

    I really like the look of their new 4 season range!

    The tent needed reconditioning - didn’t dry it out properly once and the fly was mildly mould-affected and the seam-sealing tape was coming loose.

    So this weekend it was the full treatment - remove all the seam-sealing tape, intitial Nixwax wash, a new PU coating using the Gear Aid tent sealant, and then a Nixwax DWR treatment over that.

    I’m waiting for some iron-on seam-sealing tape to arrive courtesy of Ebay and then I’ll seal the seams on the inner side.

    So far it seems to have worked a treat - water beading off the fly nicely.

    Should be back to its original reliable self for another good while.
     
  8. DidSurfNowSki

    DidSurfNowSki One of them Ski Pass: Gold

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    Any of the 4 season tents look OK for a 6' 2" guy to backpack with ? Seems like the market is targeted for 5' 6" whippets.

    Would be nice if they could show this guy fitting in ! :p

     
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  9. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    I can confirm this is what happens (Macpac Microlight with mesh inner, before the solid inner was offered), camped below (to be out of the wind ha ha) Rawsons Pass on the Snowy side, a storm came in so hunkered down to sit it out. Woke up in the morning feeling a little cool. There was 50 of sprindrift on everything inside the inner and well better over everything in the vestibule. Took 1/2 day to sort out with storm still storming. Then bugged out back to Thredbo, fastest trip ever with storm on my back, was blown up the climbs on the way back. Got back to car with 10 to 20 of rime all over the back of the pack, chucked into car and headed home to Radelaide. The rime was still glued to the pack when I got out for stretch at Kahncoban.
     
  10. DidSurfNowSki

    DidSurfNowSki One of them Ski Pass: Gold

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  11. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I have a BetaMid, good in reasonable conditions, I imagine these would be much the same, only better. Sometimes the fact that my pole/s are holding it up is inconvenient though.
     
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  12. WeeMan

    WeeMan Hard Yards Ski Pass: Silver

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  13. DidSurfNowSki

    DidSurfNowSki One of them Ski Pass: Gold

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    Sweet, did you get an insert ?
     
  14. WeeMan

    WeeMan Hard Yards Ski Pass: Silver

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    Yes, but got it for the warmer months and haven't used it yet.
     
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    I had a Locus Gear 'mid style tent which seems similar to the Ultamid. It seems like a great idea on paper but I just didn't love using it. The issues I had was the reduced internal headroom due to the sloping walls and the central pole. I got it as seemed super versatile and the reviews are all positive but it just never really worked for me. I recently got a Tarptent Double Rainbow Li which seems awesome but I wouldn't use as a 4 season tent as suspect it may not do so well in the wind.
     
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  16. piolet

    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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    Looks great
    Will match my 'looks just like all the boulders green' tent i can never find
     
  17. Untele-whippet

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    Storm flaps / valances to stop unwanted spindrift in single skin abodes.
     
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  18. DidSurfNowSki

    DidSurfNowSki One of them Ski Pass: Gold

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    Would this work better for you ?

    Only one colour setup

    [​IMG]

    https://sierradesigns.com/convert2/
     
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  19. piolet

    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yeah colour will be bright for the next tent but apart from not being able to find it its such a great tent that I'm happy despite that
     
  20. climberman

    climberman CloudRide1000 Legend Ski Pass: Gold

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    let me know how the seam taping goes, I need to do one of mine.
    I bought some zipper lube (I know) this week too, they always seem to be a place that wears.
     
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  21. Snow Blowey

    Snow Blowey Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I pulled out two of my shelters last week and noticed that the fly material had gone all sticky and felt rubbery and seams were toast. 10 years in the cupboard, but in dry climes. Would love to know what makes the fabric turn like that.
     
  22. piolet

    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yeah @Chaeron a pic TR would be great, tag me. I did notice some seams looking a little off the other week and dearly love to keep this tent in good shape.
     
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  23. Chaeron

    Chaeron Ski-Hike-Blade-Bike-Kayak Ski Pass: Gold

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    Will do.

    I’ve used regular seam sealing glue with significant success to rehabilitate my Salewa Sierra Leone 2 person 3 season tent, so will also be able to compare the tape on the Moondance to the glue on thr other tent.
     
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  24. Moondog55

    Moondog55 One of Us

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    Hydrolysis of the urethane coating, some tents and makers were and are more prone to it than others, I've lost several tents to it over the decades.
    I now keep all of my tents loose in big tubs with air flow to see if it helps with storage. Silicon proofing is supposed to be less prone to this type of degradation.
     
  25. Chaeron

    Chaeron Ski-Hike-Blade-Bike-Kayak Ski Pass: Gold

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    Rip off/ brush off the seam tape, wash with a tech wash and reproof if they are worth reconditioning.
     
  26. Untele-whippet

    Untele-whippet beard stroker Ski Pass: Gold

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    Going tootling bro?
     
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  27. DidSurfNowSki

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  29. Chaeron

    Chaeron Ski-Hike-Blade-Bike-Kayak Ski Pass: Gold

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    Black heavier & more exxy, but more solid.
    $65 USD price difference.
    Weight factor double, strength double -20D vs 70Denier ripstop.
    40g per m2 vs 77g per m2. 600 g difference. 3kg vs 2.4kg.
    Durability and above treeline performance the kicker imo.

    If for single person use the weight penalty is offset by the capacity to camp higher for longer.

    Most Oz users would settle for the Red Series Nallo, and be avoiding camping above the treeline or in more challenging conditions which would see one prefer the Black Series Nammatji.

    So it depends on whether it’s for solo use and extended trips above the treeline where one is more likely to be exposed to more extreme conditions.

    In Oz the situation where you need a Nammatji over a Nallo, many people would say you maybe are better off not being out there in the first place....but being able to sit out the weather and lap up post-fall conditions is a tempter for some.

    If one is sharing the tent on paired expeditions then the weight penalty is a non-factor, but imo. a 2 person in extended extreme conditions for 2 people is not viable, which defeats the purpose - then the 3 person Nammaji at 3.3kg and an extra $50 USD is in play.

    (I’ve gone for the Hilleberg Soulo self-standing for solo trips and will revert to my old Exped Andromeda tunnel for 2 person expeditions, and Salewa Sierra Leone for 3 person family trips.)
     
  30. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Nallos have been used above the treeline and never been a problem. We camped out in Wilkinson Valley with winds reaching +100kph. We were lifted off the floor at times whilst lying down (no sleep was possible).
     
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  32. teletimmo

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    It sounds like you got their smaller option 'khufu' rather than the 'khafra' which is similar size to my megalight. I think the 'khafra grande' would be my pick
     
  33. WeeMan

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    When pitched correctly, the Nallo series can handle pretty extreme winds. Where they do struggle is with snow loading. The sloping rear needs constant attention during moderate to heavy snow falls. The black series tents have steeper walls which deal with this much better.

    Although heavy snow falls aren't too frequent in AUS, the red series will need more care and attention during these conditions.
     
  34. uncle buck

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    "I wish I had a smaller vestibule", said no one, ever.
     
  35. Team Weasel

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    As a Nammatj owner, I'd settle for a Nallo instead. Besides being stronger in adverse conditions, I think the Nammatj wins out in durability too - if you're regularly thrashing your gear, the Black label stuff will last significantly longer. I don't camp with other people enough to carry it up into the mountains, so it's pretty much my JB Plains base camp tent.

    I've been using a Mountain Hardware Direkt2 for a while now for solo trips. There's a modern version too - the AC2 - which might be of interest to some. I find it strikes the balance between tents that are too heavy and tarps that are elaborate to setup and always posted here with photos in clear sky conditions.

    Boredom has been the mother of creation for me lately - a couple of reviews are the result.



     
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  36. telecrag

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    Just had a good look at the Dragonfly, it looks fantastic for two, really spacious, with full size vestibules both sides, really good IMO. 2.5kg, looks more bomber than the Hillebergs until you hit the expedition styles.

    I asked why the sub alpine rating on the Moondance4, its snow loading. I asked if they were going to do a one person version of the Dragonfly (its too heavy for one IMO, and actually too big too), but no plans, some other tents in the works, so I might have a look next year I think.
     
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  37. DidSurfNowSki

    DidSurfNowSki One of them Ski Pass: Gold

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    So if you had to go and buy a tent for solo alpine use, what would you currently pick ?

    EDIT: If you could squeeze a tall person in it too that would be grand.
     
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  38. Chaeron

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    Tall people after a lightweight 4 season Alpine could look at the Hilleberk Akto too...

    Inner height -93cm

    length 220cm

     
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    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Id probably go the Moondance 4, and just wake up and knock snow off. I know it can handle a breeze well, as I have had my 3 in heavy wind. Otherwise Id look at small 2 person, under 2kg, like @Untele-whippet's Montbell.
     
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    Kletterer Thredbo Doughnut Tragic Moderator

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    Storm bracing Rear vent arrangement
     
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    Had one of these for quite a few years now, Wilderness Equipment Second Arrow. great for hiking, but also small and light for carriage in light aircraft.
     
  44. uncle buck

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    Beautiful shot. Beautiful tent.
     
  45. GS

    GS Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    317gms!!
    Am I reading that correctly?
     
  46. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Thats the poles, 1.1kg all up I make it.
     
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    And this tent is?
     
  48. DidSurfNowSki

    DidSurfNowSki One of them Ski Pass: Gold

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    Tangerine I'd say.
     
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    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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