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AFTT (Another F**king Tent Thread)

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by uncle buck, Jul 26, 2020.

  1. Kletterer

    Kletterer Thredbo Doughnut Tragic Moderator

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    Its a single skin tent.
     
  2. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Really? I did think from their website it was a double skin tent. Damm :goose:yy on my part.
     
  3. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    So I have a Goondie 1 30D fly & nylon inner. @zac150 were you asking after this detail?
     
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  4. DidSurfNowSki

    DidSurfNowSki One of them Ski Pass: Gold

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    Does it float ? ;)
     
  5. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    It did last time it was required to. It’s not seen a lot of use so not fully tested in all conditions.
     
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  6. zac150

    zac150 A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    maybe I think I was looking to compare it to the vessel (tent) I’m lending @DidSurfNowSki

    I’ve had the tarp tent in a Tassie downpour and it was fine, pitches inside out as well, he just needs to come and practice pitching the thing.

    I rate the tarp tent for the size to weight, at 220by 135 plus vestibules it’s big for a 2 person and weighs about 1200g not bad for a fly plus inner. The strat 2 has a great design as well, when you open the side flap their is still a great vestibule section to stand you pack up in and tuck stuff away and as each side has a vestibule we get a his and hers.
     
  7. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    This.

    @DidSurfNowSki
     
  8. DidSurfNowSki

    DidSurfNowSki One of them Ski Pass: Gold

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    Geez, next you'll be wanting me to read the manual.

     
  9. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Don't be silly, just go round to @zac150 's place, have a few frosties on the deck then have a crack before you get to the end of the carton.:cheers:
     
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  10. Kletterer

    Kletterer Thredbo Doughnut Tragic Moderator

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    Hi
     
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  11. zac150

    zac150 A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    yep you and I will drink the beer and take the piss out of @DidSurfNowSki while he attempts to pitch the tent, we will of course off suitable advice and encouragement
     
  12. crackson

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    I saw a cool budget tent today. Was a Zempire Atmos.

    Had never heard of Zempire before. Their website seems to have a nice range.

    Anyone heard of or used them before?

    The atmos with a footprint looks like a good bikepack to hut tent that can handle bad weather days. At $300 it seems like a good price/performance ratio.
     
  13. DidSurfNowSki

    DidSurfNowSki One of them Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yep

    [​IMG]

    Jindy North Shore
     
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  14. Piste Ant

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    It looks a lot like my MSR Accent, which has a horizontal crossmember that extends to the ground - where the fly open out to.
    This goes under the crossed over (not a hub) main frame as support for snow loading, a genuine 4 season tent, 1620g and $1000.
     
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  15. Chaeron

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    The seam taping is a dream! Has worked exceptionally well - $15 off ebay (PU heat activated tape which melts into the PU treated nylon.

    1) Washed with Nixwax tent wash and rinsed.

    2) Sprayed on the outside with Gear Aid Tent sealant.

    3) Seam sealing tape applied to the inside over the seams:

    I positioned the pu tape on the tent fabric seams using masking tape, cover it with folded wax baking paper, and then iron over it at 140 Celsius - using my ski waxing iron (with the wax off of course) It melts into the nylon over the seam.

    I iron over the masking tape too, and remove it after.

    I had a big piece of thick felt on the table under the tent while ironing.

    New tent - $680.

    Tech wash - $25, Tent PU waterproofing spray - $30, Sealing tape (enough for 3 to 4 tents) - $15 - total: $70.

    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Seam-Se...of-PU-Coated-Fabric-Repair-Tape-/313137238892

    Tape in position before tent material is smoothened down



    Ironing over the tape.



    The seam once masking tape is taken off - some unsealed segments still



    The finished result.
     
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  16. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Quit your day job.
     
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  17. Chaeron

    Chaeron Ski-Hike-Blade-Bike-Kayak Ski Pass: Gold

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    I wish!
     
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  18. piolet

    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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    Possibly going to be with @Chaeron above... but i lent my old hiking tent to a mate who just put it up as a (recommended) test as its been a while... sent me this;


    Any suggestions? Simply sewing it up may distort it?
    I was planning on using it in 2 weeks.
    Budget not found
     
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  19. Chaeron

    Chaeron Ski-Hike-Blade-Bike-Kayak Ski Pass: Gold

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    You could sew in a patch, then seam seal it - got any retired Goretex jackets or pants you could sacrifice?
     
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  20. piolet

    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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    Hmm maybe. But they're delaminating etc which is why they're done.

    I see spotlight sells silnylon... suitable?

    Or maybe just sew it shut if it doesnt distort the tent too much?
     
  21. Untele-whippet

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  22. Chaeron

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    Silnylon, treated with Gear Aid tent sealant would do it, then seal the seams.
     
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  23. Untele-whippet

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    Seriously though, silnylon and Aquaseal.
    No sewing just the Aquaseal.
    Good luck.
     
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  24. Kletterer

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    BTW clean that BBQ bro.
     
  25. piolet

    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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    Ok good to know from a pro, thanks.
    Are these handily available?
    Off to google.
     
  26. piolet

    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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  27. piolet

    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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    Haha not mine. On a mates deck.
    Mines much worse.... :eek:
     
  28. piolet

    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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    I think it was. Cant really remember, its been too long.
     
  29. GS

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    Check forecast and avoid wet outlooks
     
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  31. piolet

    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yeah
    My mates schedule doesnt allow too much sometimes
     
  32. DidSurfNowSki

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  33. Moondog55

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    The Boss and I are going to be at the Mt Franklin [ VIC] campground from around the 19th of November, meeting some bushwalking mates for a few ales etc.
    I will have a few of my tents there so if anybody want to have a look-see at the new Helsport tunnel tent that will be there, Might also take some other camping tents to play with as no room here anymore
     
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  34. Dave Martin

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    I know which tent definitely NOT to recommend:
    The North Face Talus 3 tent.
    I'm about to start a 1 year trip and wanted to buy a good tent. I did some research and decided on the TNF Talus 3 for my wife and I to use. I live in South Africa and it was a mission to buy this tent as they are not for sale here. When it arrived, we went camping immediately and it rained and we got soaking wet. It was literally as waterproof as a T-shirt. See how it leaks in this video:

    I contacted The North Face and they were very helpful and agreed to send me a new tent despite me being in a different country. My new tent arrived and I thought I would test it. The new one leaks even worse!:


    And now it's too late to get a replacement as we leave in a few days.
    So disappointing: a one year trip around Africa in a leaking tent...
     
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  35. zac150

    zac150 A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    it looks like the tent has issues on the joins, I seam seal all of our tents; in Aus we can buy the sealant in most camping stores and it appears South Africa has similar options.

    it is very easily applied.



    just apply to the outer fabric across all seams.
     
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  36. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Second vid its straight through the fabric, not on a seam at all. Like the Nylon has not been coated at all.
     
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  37. Kletterer

    Kletterer Thredbo Doughnut Tragic Moderator

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    Uncoated material.
     
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  38. zac150

    zac150 A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    I couldn’t see the second video well but the first looked like a line under the seam.
     
  39. skinavy

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    Currently using this to reseal the seams on the fly of my tents after all the seam tapes perished. Next step is then treat the fabric with Grangers Repel.
     
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  40. Dave Martin

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    Yes, it leaks straight through the fabric where there is no seam.
    I have no other choice now other than to use the Coghlan's Seam Sealer plus Nikwax Tent Solarproof. I will also take the 2nd footprint (I still have the first leaky tent) and try use it as a tarp...
     
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  41. Chaeron

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    Iron-on seam sealing tape for actual seams for the win... AUD $ 12 from China via Ebay.

    I reconditioned my Mont Moondance fly with Gear Aid Tent Sure Sealant - bomber!
     
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  42. Chaeron

    Chaeron Ski-Hike-Blade-Bike-Kayak Ski Pass: Gold

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    Nikwax Tent Sealant is a viable solution - make sure the fly is clean - don’t wash with regular detergent....
     
  43. zac150

    zac150 A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    that second vid is pretty intense, even goretex would have failed, that’s more than 4500ml of water sitting on the fabric.

    Do I think the tent has issues, yep! Is that a fair test maybe not.
     
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  44. Dave Martin

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    So I have put two coats of Nikwax on the outside of the Flysheet and two coats of Coghlan's Seam Sealant on the inside of the flysheet seams. Everything is busy drying now.

    I have one more bottle of Nikwax and was wondering whether I should apply it to the inside of the flysheet? I have read on other blog posts that the inside of flysheets often has a PU layer (polyurethane?) and that one should apply more PU. I don't have PU and can't get any. What do you guys think about putting Nikwax on the inside? I've done a small test area on the inside of the 2nd flysheet (from the first TNF tent) and it looks like it adheres in the same way as it did on the outside - no observable difference.
     
  45. Chaeron

    Chaeron Ski-Hike-Blade-Bike-Kayak Ski Pass: Gold

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    Impacts Weight & breathability. Redundant to do the inside imo. Test first with a sprinkler once dry & then decide.
     
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  46. zac150

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    this^^^^^

    any fixes should be done on a test re test basis as it would help to isolate the issue, but I appreciate you don’t have a lot of time.

    personally I would have done the seems on the outside but the Nikwax may solve that
     
  47. Dave Martin

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    So after 2 Nikwak coats on the outside and 2 seam sealants on the underside, the tent still leaked straight through the flysheet fabric. Less leaky but still too much to be able to sleep in a rain storm. That was depressing.

    As a last resort I decided to Nikwax the underside of the Flysheet and I'm happy to report that seems to have made a big difference. There are now just a few small leaks along the seams. I will now just try seam sealer on the outside seams. I wonder whether it will adhere to the Nikwax coating...?

    If I could do it over again, I would do:
    1. seam sealer on outside seam
    2. one coat nikwax on outside of flysheet
    3. one coat nikwax on inside of flysheet.
     
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    That defo sounds like they missed the coating, twice means a whole batch.
     
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  49. zac150

    zac150 A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    yep,
    I hate to ask but what website did you buy from?
     
  50. Dave Martin

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    But the replacement tent was sent directly by The North Face warranty department.