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All mountain charger recommendation for a tele skier

Discussion in 'Equipment' started by AndyCrow, Aug 28, 2019.

  1. AndyCrow

    AndyCrow Hard Yards

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    Hey guys, looking for a recommendation on some chargy all mountain skis, thinking around 95mm underfoot.

    Currently considering Moment Commander 98, ON3P Woodsman 96, Fischer Ranger 94 fr and J ski masterblaster

    I ski tele at what I would like to think of as an advanced level. Looking for a ski to charge pretty hard on and off piste. I prefer skiing off piste when possible. I like dropping small cliffs and jumps and dont mind moguls if my legs can keep up.

    I currently ski some 2016 Sir Francis Bacons with tx comps and bmfr's, which I love but have been overpowering them when i get up a bit of speed/try and bash through crud and chop.

    Also im 6'2" and around 85kgs

    Thanks in advance, would love to hear your thoughts on these skis or other suggestions
     
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    Nordica Enforcer 93
     
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  3. AndyCrow

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    Another great looking ski, have you skied it?
     
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    Have you tried the Supernaturals?
     
  5. AndyCrow

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    I havent but one of my mates has them and isnt a huge fan. I've loved the SFBs but I dont think the build quality is great. I would be less inclined to go back to line unless there was something perfect.
     
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    Yep I’m a huge fan of the Enforcer series, the 88 is currently my personal all-mtn ski but if I didn’t have the luxury of an extensive quiver I reckon I’d have the 93.
     
  7. AndyCrow

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    Sounds pretty good, probably looking to expand to a 3 ski quiver in the next few years. How does the 88 compare with a brahma if you've tried them?

    I havent been super thrilled with the Lines build quality, hence mainly looking at independent companies who are known for the quality. How have you found the enforcers hold up?
     
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    Just FYI the Nordicas come out of the Blizzard factory so same build quality etc.

    I rate the Enforcer so much better than a Brahma it’s not funny. Brahma is so much less versatile as an all-mtn option due to the Enforcer’s rocker profile. Brahma is more of a wide GS ski that can deal with afternoon slush whereas the Enforcer is a true all mountain with beef.
     
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    Interesting comment about Line build quality, my sons Supernatural 92 skis delaminated badly under the foot after 6 days, by day 8 one of the noses was delaminating and the top sheets seemed to chip way too easily around the edges. Would take some convincing for me to consider Line skis in the future.

    I'm skiing on the Enforcer 93 this season and have found them to be very versatile (and durable) for Hotham and Falls. Note however I use a 169 length which has a tighter 15.5m turn radius.
     
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    Thinking more about the Brahma, I think the new Brahma 82 is a better platform for that construction and rocker profile. It’s a pretty awesome ski.
     
  11. AndyCrow

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    That makes it sound pretty good, thanks heaps for your input.
     
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    Actually another ski you could look at is the Atomic Vantage 97 Ti
     
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    Mine have got chips all over with a bit of delamination on the tips and tails. I have skied them pretty hard for the last 3 years so can't really complain.
     
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    Really shocked to be honest, I thought Line product would be Park and Freeride tough. At least the bindings are reusable.
     
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    @CarveMan Would you recommend the 185 or the 193 for the enforcer?
     
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    185 for sure.
     
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    I haven't had any problems with my Supernatural's (brought before last season) or Prophet's before them, maybe I'm just lucky. Then again I didn't get as many hours on snow last season or this so far as I've wanted to. They are quite good for charging though :D
     
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    I've been looking around in the same market for a while now, and lots of those skis were on my list. I don't telemarket though, so take that into account.

    I skied the Commander 98 at a demo day. Felt ok, but not great. Quite light and stiff...wasn't sold on them.
    Woodsman is a bit of an unknown, but sounds promising.
    Masterblaster gets great reviews, but is too heavy for my taste (want to be able to tour at least a bit)

    That leaves the Fischer, which I demoed and loved. Am still considering getting a pair...They felt good on edge yet easy to break free (and you are suggesting skis with a bit of playfulness in their DNA). You'd be looking at the biggest size (184?).

    To hijack the thread, are Enforcers comparably playful to the above skis? I'm probably looking at Bentchetler 100s - bit lighter than the Fischers and pretty positive reviews all round.
     
  20. Onlybackscratchers

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    Sorry for hijacking thread, I have seen a couple of other pairs around this season and they looked fine. He certainly did like them and was skiing on them well. I probably should get on to the distributior rather than bitching about them on a public thread.
    The sad reality is my 17 year old son seems to wear everything out fast!
     
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    Ripping ski.

    What about a Bonafide for the OP.
    Or Mantra M5??
    Fischer Ranger 98ti?
     
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    So what binding are going on these nuu skis?
     
  23. rowdyflat

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    Being a long term telemarker I have found the Line Supernatural Lites to be good .
    No problems with the build quality after more than 20 days.
    Also fan of Volkl for energetic skiers though prolly most brands would be OK.
     
  24. Spence

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    I would also give a shout-out to the Volkl Mantra M5. I have 10 days on them now and I haven’t found their limit in anything. Had them at 69kph this morning on Rollercoaster (according to gps tracker) and they didn’t so much as twitch. Laying them over in big GS turns edge to edge with full confidence. Skied them flat in some wind blown powder (not very deep) this afternoon and they were a total pleasure. I think the harder you ski them the more you will get out of them. Best ski I’ve ever skied.
     
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    Skis suggested so far seem to all be burly and relatively heavy but if you’re looking for something still relatively light...Faction Dictator 2.0 or Head Kore 93 could be a goer?

    BTW and before this thread becomes too Line bashing my Supernaturals 92s have around 100+ days carrying around my 115kgs and are still going strong.
     
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    I've been running Bishop BMFR's with switch plates across my skis but havent been super impressed with their durability. So might move over to outlaw xs.
     
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    I've heard about issue with both of those in terms of teleing, but will look into it
     
  28. AndyCrow

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    I'm thinking the commanders are going to be too light for our refrozen crud you have to ski in the mornings.
    Woodsman im worried have too much of a rocker line, they look great but i think i want them more than they are the right ski if that makes sense. if they still made the wren 88 I would get it in a heartbeat.
    I think the Fischers or the enforcers are right, just go to pick one.
     
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    Black Crow Camox?
     
  30. DPS Driver

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    http://skicanadamag.com/dps-cassiar-94/

    You can’t beat DPS for build quality.

    I’ve just returned from NZ where I gave a mate an ex demo pair of Cassiar 94’s at 185cm. He’s a really solid skier, lives in Queenstown, carries too much weight and skis fast. He’s 6’1” & 110kg and loves them. He didn’t overpower the ski at all.

    They are light-ish but extremely solid torsionally. He was riding Volkl Mantras and was worried he might overpower the Cassiars but was super impressed. Said they felt far more versatile than the mantras and that he didn’t have any issues with speed.

    He now owns them
     
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    Ouch, yep haven't had anything like that happen.
     
  32. AndyCrow

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    Think I'm after a bit more tail rocker than the bonafide offers
     
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    Now you're talkin'. ;)
     
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    Well I've just returned from NZ found the Supernatural 92 good for general skiing and Gotamas w. tail rocker for powder.
    The only advantage of tail rocker IMO is the rooster tail . Maybe you can smear turns a bit .PITA when using skins though.
    Tip rocker prolly gives a better balanced position in deep light powder.
     
  35. DPS Driver

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    Tail rocker provides a little more freedom at the end of the turn, it's better for landing airs, and is less punishing if you happen to get in the back seat.

    Because of these things it allows you to control your turn more in a wider variety of terrain and it allows you greater options without having to fight the ski as much.
     
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  36. AndyCrow

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    @DPS Driver the cassiars look great as well. Anybody have a direct comparison with the enforcer or ranger?
     
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    I actually tele would suggest the dps Wailer or the larger Cassiar as your ski.

    My daily driver is the Wailer 99, light weight pre metal, you might need to look for the heavier construction versions.
     
  39. DPS Driver

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    94 is the largest Cassiar. No metal in it apart from the edges.

    We only ran the metal stringers for two years and that was pre Achemist construction.
     
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    @AndyCrow should look to demo these.
     
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  41. AndyCrow

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    Would love to, unfortunately I'm a much better tele skier than an alpine skier. Should still be able to get e feel for it i guess.
     
  42. DPS Driver

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    Lots of tele crew on DPS but unfortunately, setting up a pair for tele demo is like spending millions on a ski resort in Iowa.
     
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    Well I keep asking for dps demo's but as above they are just too slack and insist on fitting then up as training skis.

    It's all a plot, I can't demo so I just buy and, well it's a problem according to the financial controller.
     
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    @AndyCrow , where do you ski & what boot size are you?
     
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    My piste skis are (blizzard) Latigos,a bit like the bonafides, love them, with rottefella, awesome for grippy fast tele carving.
    Off piste I went the DPS Cassiar Tours with the new Lynx - super light, also super awesome.
    Wrt Tele, I'm in the either-or camp. I think that for tele, you benefit from very narrow-waist skis on hard-packed/icy groomers.
     
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    Playing Devil’s advocate here, DPS D

    What is so hard (expensive) about fitting say two pairs of DPS skis (or any brand FWIW) with decent telemark bindings (say OutlawX or Freeride), then including with the alpine mix.

    Sell them as ex demos just like alpine skis - how much more expensive is that?

    Wouldn’t the increase in sales be worth it?

    Or is it nervous lawyers worried about claims of broken legs on bindings that didn't release?

    Curious!!

    Please forgive my ignorance.
     
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    I can tell you that over 8 years of demoing I’ve had about 4 Tele skiers come up and ask if I’ve gotta ski set up with Tele bindings. While some on this forum often say they would come along, that might take it to eight.
    Then you’ve got to try to figure out which model you might set up. Unfortunately the numbers just don’t stack up. In reality I do this for the love of it, there really isn’t an earn in it and I can’t afford to have demo skis that I can’t move on at the end of the season.
    Having a giggle over your line about the increase in sales by demoing a Tele set up. Nothing to do with lawyers, sign the waiver and take the risk.
     
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    Sort of agree with Boodwah, edging tele is hard work ,so not too wide is good.
    On piste about 90 mm is plenty back country 78 mm.
    Although i avoid ice sometimes it just appears.
     
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    New Brahma 82 is the Latigo replacement. Ripping ski.
     
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    I’m a rarity then - my wife tells me so often!!

    No - I demo’d some Fischer Alltrax 68 at Hotham about 98’ they looked super wide after skinny Morotto steps. Had a couple of runs and reluctantly handed them back.

    Finally found a pair on sale at season’s end.
    Had a Voile release kit fitted through which I’ve run a variety of cable bindings.

    I never looked back - spent about 10 years on them & 3 skis later, they’re now my ‘light & skinny’ BC ‘skinning’ ski.

    Perhaps that concurs with your synopsis DPS D - we pinheads tend love our skis too much & change too infrequently to suit the demo business model.

    Then again, how does a potential tele-head fall in love with their first pair of real alpine skis? Short of committing ~ $2 grand up front with bindings & boots? Esp. with rental models being rather limited.

    Its getting late. I think I’ll sleep on that thought.
    Goodnight!