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Discussion in 'Alpine & Southern' started by Mister Tee on XC Skis, Nov 30, 2019.
Earning those turns at Hotham, you’d say 20-30cm along with Falls:
Still snowing at Buller where it’s approx 10cm, maybe a bit more higher all up:
It looks like it is still snowing at Mt. Baw Baw. I have got my ski gear out of the cellar. Hot Ham and Falls are too far away for a sane day trip from Melb. but a few turns look possible on XC skis at Baw Baw and/ or Mt. Stirling EARLY tomorrow morning .
Nutcases online claiming this snow is the "proof" of grand solar minimum and a new ice age.
Nevermind snow falls almost every summer in aus if I'm not mistaken...
LM could be skiable on rock hoppers higher up the hill near Panorama trail.
Yes, I agree with you. It snows in the Oz Alps all year round. It only settles long enough to create a skiable and grooming friendly base when the days are colder and shorter and the sun is milder.
Strewth! 100% spot-on there, lad.
Foreignors don't realise just how cold and snowy Australia actually is for its low latitude; the Southern Ocean is the coldest stretch of water, by leagues. We need only ~1,800 m at only 36° S for summer snowfalls most years, and for to reach the tree-line. In much of the the US, however, you need at least >3,000 m for regular summer snowfall; that is why foreignors are so perplexed by such phenomena.
In fact, the Australian Alps share the the same tree-line altitude as the windward slopes of Glacier National Park in Montana's Rocky Mountains...at 49° N, which at sea-level on Kerguelen Island (South Indian Ocean [49° S]), yields a tundra Et climate. How's that for some wild perspective?
I am getting up early to XC ski at Mt. Stirling tomorrow morning. It won't last long in terms of ski friendly conditions so this will be a lot of driving for one morning of December skiing.
is part of this scheme too.
My intention is to just grab a few little turns early tomorrow. Won’t be in the Alpine (maybe Thursday for that), but it will mean I’ve skied locally across 8 consecutive months - started in May with a December finish before travelling to Europe.
8 months ain’t bad such a dry continent!! One of the pics I took today....
Yes skiing from May until December, that is the year that was 2019 for plank action .
Cescjacks Hut at lunchtime today
@Mister Tee, January-March, those are the hard one to get
Did you ski out there from the Eastern approach i.e Nimmo Hill etc. ? or is your 4 WD equipped for some proper river crossings?
Nimmo the only way to get there for lunch! (Just walked though.)
Quality photos Raph!
Some very big gusts in Thredbo village, it's miserable out there. AWS up the top recording 93km/h
Tas NW Rivers ticking over some healthy
totals in the last 24:
Cabramurra did not rise above 2.8° C from 9:00-9:00 AM (December 2nd-3rd), thus beating the 2.9° C record cold maximum held at the old SMHEA station in December 1969.
Thredbo Top Station did not rise above –1.1° C, thereby throttling its previous 0.1° C record.
Minus 1 this morning. Not sure about wind chill but it was windy. Very marginal visibility. Drifts skied fine. Better than the last 2 falls. Ranged from deep snow to being able to see the dust covered snow. That’s made it skiing across 4 seasons with the May start this year. I think the alpine must have some good snow but from Charlottes you could not see more than 30 or so metres.
@Jellybeans - I take it that this weak AAO condition is driving these fronts. And that was partly put in play by the Sudden Stratospheric Warming event in late winter?
Yep. And Yes. The -AAO is certainly the driver for this unseasonal snowfall, and that’s largely thanks to the SSW. It’s pretty noteworthy that it’s effects have lingered this long.
I'm waiting for @rocketboy to appear and declare that its over, the season is cooked, done Coz this time, December 3rd, he might actually be on the money
King Spur Hut. Mt. Stirling . Vic. Alps. 11 am . Dec 3rd 2019.
Raining, cold , foggy.
Marginal slushy snow cover. Not much chop for skiing , good for scratching your skis and hitting rocks and losing your balance. I do not know why I left the Op shop rock hoppers in the car and took the decent skis. I live and learn
my skis now look a bit worse for wear.
Looks pretty cooked here
Clear and present on EC's ensembles
Sat image of the snow cover (cloud over Western Faces) and snow lined yesterday, and then last night's smokey moon..
Might as well lock in another snow event for Tasmania, on the back-end of next week.
That means an outside chance of snow showers up high for the mainland.
Ok weather gurus, looking at the charts I see nothing but warm and dry conditions for SE up until Christmas. In general, the whole thing is pretty boring, reflected by lack of chit chat on this forum currently. How locked in is this? I know during folks talk about 4 day rule, sometimes less for spring, but this seems pretty stable to me.
I'm not seeing anything much for the next 10 odd days, I'd be moderately confident that will hold.
Might see a few skimming troughs/fronts in your region over the next few days. Possible shower two.
Rising Max temps into the early/mid 30's by next week, IMO.
Love our high country: (also not sure on the choice of vehicle... Looks like an old Holden)
Wouldn't be anything less than a 4WD up Blue Rag.
I zoomed right in - I see it's a 4x4 cab ute. The little ventilation spinner on I thought I could see, I misinterpreted to be an engine air scoop on the bonnet... Need my eyes checked!
What happens when the AAO finally strengthens and there's few fronts to keep temps in the south under some control.
It's incredible how "lucky" we have been with these fires so far. The temps are allowing a lot of back burning to take place and the main fires to burn at a lot lower temps than we have seen in previous years.
But once this AAO trough fades away in coming weeks - temps could soar and these fires could turn really nasty.
That's where we need the monsoon trough to take over, but looking at the latest MSLP across S Asia, it's not looking promising.
I reckon the monsoon will be late.
Possibly heatwave sort of conditions for vic most of next week imo.
this may have been posted already - but it seems topical
I reckon we wont see much until end of January.
The +IOD base state needs to go away first. There's varying theories on when that will happen.
I'm in serious need of some summer thunderstorm action.
Looking toasty next week!
Would this heatwave be a result of the current unusual combo of strong +IOD plus strong -AAO leading to delayed monsoon and less cloud to surpress temps thus allowing the sun to cause continual heating in areas north of the area effected by the late season cold fronts? It seems pretty early to see this kind of heat building over such a large area of the continent, I've even seen reports (not sure how realistic they are) that Australia's record highest recorded temp could be broken next week.
EC was maxing out at 49.1C over SA, and that's probably not smack bang over a weather station, so I don't think we will get there in this event.
Still, worth keeping an eye on areas like Moomba and Marree in SA and Smithville (NSW, but metres from the SA border), maybe even Borrona Downs in NSW etc
Breaking 51° C next week? Not a chance.
Was that "report" from Weatherzone News? If so, then take it with a grain of salt.
The hottest on OCF is 49.5c at Kyancutta. Getting up there.
Funny thing is that we might end up with our coldest and hottest December maximums within 3 weeks of each other.
I walked that track a year or two back. The flies in January were insane. Inexperienced off road drivers in stock Land Cruisers with street tyres were having trouble on the super rocky steep bits.
Worth noting is that Thredbo's 27.8ºC (all-time record) Maximum is not far away, come neck weekend.
Below is 850mb, 11am Sunday, via EC:
A cool start to Sunday....A brisk wind kept temps down pre dawn....