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Alpine Diesel problems?

Discussion in 'Hotham & Dinner Plain' started by windjunky, Aug 20, 2017.

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  1. Ubiquitous Steve

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    A hot house for naughty diesels .Them Russians leave the things running in heated overnight accomadation,

    Girls they are not doing Brazilians if you r not clear on the “matter”.:thumbs:
     
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    Our Lodge manager made the comment that the diesel problem was because it doesn’t cope with temperatures under -5
    Hotham has been down as far as -8, -9 etc for many nights.
    Yesterday there were a few cars being towed for this problem.
     
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    Will Alpine Diesel still be required with the warmer temps this/next week?
     
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    Depends on the overnight temps. and when you want to fire it up -if after midday no issue I think.

    On Monday morning with a 3/4 tank of regular diesel the Hilux turned over and ran for 20 seconds before dying - 3 mm of ice on the windscreen and bonnet - -5 overnight. It did that twice before I decided to let it rest and to give time for the diesel to warm up rather than choke filters & lines etc. so I waited till the ice melted off the windscreen. It happily started at 8.00 when the ambient temperature was higher.

    Having said that I’ve not had any issue throughout the season with the Hilux - but never had extremely cold overnight temps as such - the Hilux starts no problem when other cars around me have had problems...
     
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    Why take the risk?
     
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    I mix my own additive into the diesel on the weekend I was a little lazy with measuring how much I put in. The negative 6 on Monday at 6am when I left caught me by surprise but it started and ran okay my car did throw a gearbox alarm tho!

    Honestly is it worth the risk? I’ll pay more attention now after what could have been a close call, additive at a bottle a season is cheap.

     
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    @Chaeron - I'd probably be filling up as we get into Wodonga/Bandiana - I trust it's still in the mix next week or do I need to be closer?
     
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    Might need to be closer - most stations would have swapped out by now.... additive...
     
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    Maybe a litre or two of kero in 80 litres??
     
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    @emkae - Interesting that BP recommends 5L Kero to 100 L diesel (1:20), higher dosage than 1:50 @Chaeron @teletubby
     
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    Just an update on availability of Alpine Diesel - available at most places in the area (First signs that I noticed last week - Caltex at Mt Beauty, Bright & Myrtleford).

    Can't say how effective it was as it only got below zero once last week and no issues starting on Thursday morning.
     
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    What kind of signs....Alpine Diesel ....starts down to minus ten or money refunded!
     
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    Diesel just sounds like a ... PITA. I’m looking for an AWD to replace faithful old FAB1 (aka the Camry) and an acquaintance has offered to sell me his 2014 Subaru Outback. But it’s a diesel. I’m veering towards petrol but could be convinced otherwise .....
     
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    I’m loving 1300km on a tank. And shed loads of torque.
     
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    Those extra kms do sound attractive, I have to admit. I just want a reliable vehicle though. Funny, we regularly get overnight winter temperatures in Canberra well into the negatives but only a couple of petrol stations sell Alpine Diesel ....
     
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    You had a Toyota, trust them as boring as they are, and just look for another one. Bullet proof.
     
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    Gotta love a Toyota. The newer generation Suby’s aren’t as awesome as their predecessors and the Outback ain’t the Forester... especially around town.
     
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    Darn. I have been using a Forester to travel to the snow and it handles the conditions really well.
    The Outback seems roomier, though, and, well - it’s available.
     
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    The Outback’s still a good car though, and if it’s got enough room in your opinion, there’s nothing to disqualify it!
     
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    All of my cars (bar my first, my trusty old Datsun 180B) have been Toyotas. Unfortunately they don’t have much in the 4WD/AWD stakes these days that are reasonably economical family vehicles (even the RAV4s seem to be 2WD, and the Kluger is a bit on the clunky side. And there’s no way on God’s earth that I’m getting a Landcruiser).
     
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    https://www.carsguide.com.au/subaru/forester/vs/subaru-outback

    The Outback is a longer, more substantial vehicle, a "midsize crossover," whereas the Forester is a "compact crossover." The Outback looks and feels more like a wagon; the Forester looks and feels more like a small sport utility vehicle. Comparably equipped, the Outback is typically about $1,500 more.
     
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    The whole negative thing about Alpine diesel is significantly overplayed i.m.o.

    Alpine diesel / Additive/ a bit of common sense ( clear snow, if doesn’t start straight up, let it be, wait for things to warm up s bit, etc.)
     
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    :)
     
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    Seriously, if it’s snowing there’s no reason to leave ( or it’s not safe to drive) and leaving in the warm part of the day - so the car’s got a chance to thaw... ;) that’s what I’m telling the boss...over the phone...
     
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    Does the friend selling the outback live in Canberra?
    have they ever had an issue?

    Anyway
    As a snow lover, suspect reading this site you would have some warning of low temps in Canberra so just go via the alpine diesel servo during that week.

    I would do it for the extra Km's, love our diesel. (We just always put some in, in Canberra.
     
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    Yes, tempting! Just have to do the sums ....
     
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    Canberra would most likely have a winter diesel mix as the standard fuel that isn't quite full blown alpine diesel but does contain some of the anti-waxing compounds. Mansfield has something similar mid winter (they usually sell both 'winter' and alpine').
     
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    If you're not towing or doing over 30K a year, petrol is cheaper as a general rule.
     
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    And I'd be very wary of a diesel with a PDF.
    A friend had repeated PDF cleaning failures on his Suby. It had to be replaced @ $7K. Luckily it was still under warranty. He then sold it.
    To run clean and get the good mileages, diesels have gone from simple pluggers to highly complex devices.
     
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    What ziggy said. The Outback is a good rig but I wouldn't buy a diesel one as a town car due to DPF issues.
     
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    I drove a diesel work car for a couple of years. Fuel cost really wasn’t any less than my petrol Impreza. Not that I took that much notice, since I wasn’t paying, but I was filling up just as often and it’s more expensive.

    And I had to keep rubber gloves in the car to fill up, cos it stinks. And there’s less bowsers to choose from generally.
     
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    The cost of injector replacement is steep and the cost of water contamination of a Common Rail Diesel system is ruinous.

    There's a whole series of PDF problems - Suby, Suzi and even Toyota with its new 2.8l engine. Everests set off grass fires if parked in the wrong place.

    The big advantage of a diesel is a broad spread of power at lower revs and greater energy out of each litre - so it's good for towing and crawling across rough terrain.
     
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    Don't forget the Freedom Factor of a little diesel AWD. I used to think twice before going off on an impulsive run that would empty the tank of my petrol Suz***.
    I kid you not, now go three times that distance.
    Now I am a few years out of date ?
     
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    we have had a diesel car now for 3 years. Not had a problem at all in any of the cold weather or even camping down at Diggings over winter had a number of -7 mornings there and started no problems. I think the ACT servos just swap out to Alpine when it gets colder without actually advertising as being Alpine.
     
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    I'm a subie fan but I would not touch a subie diesel with a 10' pole. 3 people i know (in our small town) have had very expensive DPF issues, despite regularly doing longer trips to avoid such issues. I also know lots of people with VW diesels who have not had any problems.
     
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    Toyota diesel 9l/100km, true low range, 1500 kms / tank, use the Lucas additive, never a problem
     
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    Well, quite a diversity of opinions here! I’m tending to veer away from diesel now, having said that. So I will need to look elsewhere for a petrol Outback or similar, methinks ... Not urgent, as the old Camry still has a bit of life left in her, but a 2WD is a pain when one has to fit chains ... (well, I think so anyway).
     
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    You are probably safer in your camry with chains on the front end than in an awd without em.

    Dont think its a trade up in safety to go awd if its 5 min chain fit you want to avoid
     
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    Land cruiser or Hilux? Pick of the crop! But not a good town runabout, unless its a trade vehicle :)
     
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    Yep.
    The problem is dealing with particle emissions under the strict Euro standard.
    VW just lied about it.
     
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    2016 prado. Like camrys in their day, there is a reason there are so many around.

    We live in brunswick, we dont 'run around town' very much at all. Thats what legs, bikes and trams are for.

    Its about as 'car-ry' you get for a proper 4wd w low range

    Our car goes to the farm, the mountains, the beach and does SAR gigs and elsewise sits outaide our house most of the time. We got 3 kids and a dog and one car we rarely use in town because there are much better options....or healthier ones
     
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    You’re describing the optimal use for a vehicle - socially, environmentally, health-wise, economically!
     
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    Haha we aint saints tho.....we had a proper 100 series landcruiser before the prado, and that mofo was a truck....but that truck also set us on habits of avoiding town car use because it was such a bloody truck......all schooling shopping commuting even most kids sports except for away games (which we pool) i put down to developing non car habits because we had a truck. 'Green' friends down the road use their 'eco' yaris and forester way way way more than we do........im always interested in behaviours. And i love walking
     
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    Better a lie that works than a compliant one that is useless
     
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    I take an interest in this thread not only because I drive a diesel Triton throughout the snow season, but also because of the effects different diesel blends have on diesel heaters we use for winter camping. In previous years I (and others) had had carbon build up using Aline Diesel in our heaters, ultimately causing them to stop working, normally on the coldest nights!
    With Local servo's not knowing whether their diesel blends include heating oil or kerosene, its a bit of a pot luck as to what you get. Of the two photos attached, one shows a buggered DPF from a vehicle and the other shows the inner combustion chamber of my new diesel heater, run for less than an hour to get this much build-up, using alpine diesel and an excessive pump rate (now rectified). This normally takes about 4 weeks when we are down in the snow. Removing the heaters is a real bastard, requiring multiple trips UNDER the van in the snow, mud and mush and black soot from head to toe. I now bring an old Aldi ski jacket which is known as my heater jacket.
    This year we will be taking 'normal' diesel for the heaters and mixing as much as 20% kero, as it runs with less 'oil' and less build up (I wouldn't run more than 5% in the Triton). Normal alpine diesel works just fine in the vehicle. I have never had any issues starting and I hope my DPF looks nothing like below!