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Alpine Diesel problems?

Discussion in 'Hotham & Dinner Plain' started by windjunky, Aug 20, 2017.

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  1. Lady Penelope

    Lady Penelope One of some lot ... Ski Pass: Gold

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    I’m not sure I really want to be driving a Prado or Hilux due to their size. Mind you, sometimes the thought of something large, solid, and sporting a brutal bull bar is appealing given my early morning commutes to the Snowy’s along the kangaroo-infested Monaro Highway. So many near-misses this past year ....
     
  2. mr

    mr Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Nasty. But better there than your lungs!

    That was @Jacko4650

    Yeah the new prados drive like a car imo....that probably sold us after the 100 series. We were looking for a 7 seater and looked at the kluger awds but with no low range or diff lock they are really just awds...and not as good as subies at that either. Sound to me like you want a petrol outback with a roo-bar @Lady Penelope. I always forget the chains rules in nsw where it is discretionary for awds. Often at hotham its discretionary for us but i still put em on......its mostly awds that go off the road
     
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  3. Lady Penelope

    Lady Penelope One of some lot ... Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yep, discretionary for us. I’ve found the AWD Forester lovely to drive in the snow so I imagine the Outback would be similar .....
     
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    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    i haven't driven new forrester or outback for many years, but in the past found outback significantly more comfortable than forrester. but seat comfort can be pretty individual I suppose.
     
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    mr Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Thats the word ive heard too @currawong . I think also the outback seats lay flat and a bit longer for a snooze
     
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    GS A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Modern diesels are certainly nice to drive, amazingly smooth and quiet, good power and can return impressive fuel consumption figures. But as has been mentioned they are complex beasts now and time will tell just how reliable they are. If you’re not towing or covering big kms, a petrol might be better.....or trade up before potential issues start
     
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    mr Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Or buy a toyota

    Waits to be shot down in flames.
     
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    GS A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Haha, I think we both have the same model. Whilst there’s plenty of horror stories on the web about them, there seems to be exponentially more on the road without any story......touch wood
     
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    mr Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    I think the line goes that 80% of all vehicles west if the qld / nsw borders are toyotas

    And that 99% of statistics are made up
     
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    Agree I have VW pre recall fine.

    Post recall not so. It now does forced Diesel Particle Filter regenerations even with highway driving. Wasting fuel in the process.

    Fuel economy stuffed.

    Goal is to sell it next 6 months. Never going to get another Diesel car again.
     
  11. Ziggy

    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yeah, the results are not pretty of a collision of stricter emission standards and the market imperative for more power with good fuel economy. Diesels have come a long way from chip oil burners to prima donnas.
     
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    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yours the 3.0l diesel?
    The newer 2.8 is having problems. Fortuners are being fitted with regen switches for heaven's sake.
     
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    GS A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    My old one was the pre CR 3.0l diesel, sold that and now have the 2.8.

    Lotsa pipes'n'stuff hanging of the engine compared with the 3.0!

    The first of the 2.8s will be getting up around 100k km by now so will be interesting how they hold up. The DPF concerns me less than the EGR to be honest. It all seems to work though, virtually nothing comes out the tailpipe compared to previous prado and the best economy I've had is 6.5L/100km Geelong to Melb
     
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    mr Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    mine is a very early 2.8 (December 14 i think, for a 2015 model), we are at around 75k. What have you heard @Ziggy ?

    We extended our warranty until 2022 i think, as we bought second hand, but off a Toyota dealer. , Ive been thinking of pimping up the suspension, they said 'it will void your warranty', so maybe ill wait. When we are fully loaded with 5 people, a labrador, and all our gear in the 1000l roofbox, 150 litres in the tank, the clearance at the back is a bit sub-par on rocky 4wd tracks
     
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    GS A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    mr Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    my quick scan says 'keep the warranty'
     
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    Considering half the Toyota dealerships will now take your car to get ARB bits fitted, I find it a bit hard to believe they can void your warranty for replacing what basically amounts to a wear item.
     
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    mr Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    so did i. but i asked about lifting it a few inches with heftier emu shocks and thats what they said. i didnt push......
     
  19. Ziggy

    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    If something fails that's not implicated in the mod they're just trying it on by saying the warranty doesn't apply.
    In any case Australian Consumer Law trumps warranties.
     
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    mr Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    sure, but if we modify, and theres an issue, and they reject warranty (and even if trying it on, they have 'told' me) im in no hurry for a claim to be fought out.......

    i had asked them if they can do the mod during a service (eg off to ARB / emu it goes) and they said no, we dont
     
  21. TheFake

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    You just need to say the magic words to the dealer: "Do I need to speak with the ombudsman?"
     
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    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    In Vic, it's VCAT.
    My importer/distributor folded on a big claim the moment they got the paperwork from VCAT.
    Rejected under warranty due to an 'impact and modifications'.
     
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    we broke the 4wd selector, actually 4wd-ing in the high country. It got replaced under warranty. And we had lifted our Pajero.
     
  24. Ziggy

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    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    A foxtail should void your human rights.
     
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  26. Ziggy

    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Should be given a medal for it.
     
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    If the mod contributes to the problem, goodnight Irene on any consumer remedy. Unless you can sheet it home to the person who did the mod. If it is completely unrelated you are OK.
     
  28. TheFake

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    I have it on good authority the foxtail adds 20HP!

    [​IMG]
     
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  29. Ziggy

    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    This part of the consumer guarantees is relevant. From the Law Handbook:

    Suppliers guarantee that the goods are reasonably fit for any purpose specified by the consumer or the supplier (s 55 ACL).

    Specifically, the goods must be reasonably fit for:

    •any purpose that the consumer made known (expressly or by implication) to the supplier or the person who conducted the sales negotiations; and

    •any purpose for which the supplier represents that the goods are reasonably fit (s 55 ACL).

    This guarantee does not apply where the consumer did not rely on, or where it was not reasonable for the consumer to rely on, the skill or judgment of the relevant person.

    This guarantee does not apply to manufacturers or goods bought at auction.

    So if you're going for a suspension lift, you tell the retailer that you intend using the vehicle for X and Y, and that you don't expect premature failure of the CV joints and so on - in writing if necessary. Will this mod be suitable? If they say yes and supply the mod taking your money, you have a contract. And as the guff outlines, it can in any case be reasonably assumed by the retailer that you're going to go 4 wheel driving - so on rough tracks etc.
    Better to sort it up front. Otherwise it's engineers at 40 paces at VCAT, or at least the threat of them.
     
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    yep.......but im in the construction industry. ......everyone lays off risk and blames and the other guy, proving it is unrelated is expensive and frustrating

    but sure, if my DPF packs it in it would be a stretch to blame the shocks, but i reckon they would try!

    ive had insurance claims knocked back for spurious reasons, but hey, its the insurance game, they aint in it for laughs

    and yep @Ziggy, thats why i dont think i can be bothered until warrantee trails off
     
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    I'm putting a foxtail on my mobility scooter!
     
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  32. Ziggy

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    VCAT's not expensive for these kinds of claims, and most are settled before going to a judgement.
     
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    Its not the diesel that is the issue its the Subaru Diesel particle filter system.
     
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    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    & water in the fuel = weeping and gnashing of teeth.
     
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    and people who manage to fill with petrol instead of diesel
     
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    I drive trucks all over QLD.....That was once the case, now it's ford ranger variants XLT and Wild-track that dominate. I'm a Toyota Hilux man myself ;)
     
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    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    It wasn't filled. Just lightly marinated.

    ---------------

    Then there's air filter failures. The panel types often don't seal well enough to keep out fine outback dust (aka bull dust). Culprits inc. the LC200, Isuzu, Patrol, and 2.8l HiLux and Fortuner (the latter go into limp-home mode when enough dust sticks to the MAF sensor).
     
  38. TheFake

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    3.0L Prado (and presumably the equivalent lux) suffer the same fate. A can of MAF cleaner is just about the first thing I pack when travelling (after the beer of course).
     
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    yeah its been a few years and changed quickly- i can tell ya i was pretty happy to be driving a 100 series in 2015 in northern and western australia....at the time the BT50s and the rangers etc were waiting weeks for parts or even mechanics that know what to do (other than turn em off and on again) .....i could get a 24 hr turnaround on parts
     
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    Oh my gosh, my initial question however many posts back seems to have done a good job hijacking this Hotham thread (since I’m a Perisher/Thredbo skier!). Thanks for your input everyone. You’ve successfully put me off a diesel Subaru :).
     
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    Unless you’re pulling something behind you or are doing the kilometres I wouldn’t go a small diesel.
     
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  42. Ziggy

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    And if that's the only outcome you're lucky.
     
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    I dunno, my A3 2l TDI pulled hard, cracker of a distance machine. No issues with being parked in frozen car parks.

    Euro design for cold climates.
     
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    Received a letter from Toyota today asking me to book the vehicle in for a software upgrade and DPF inspection/replacement. Can also have a “custom” mode enabled which displays whenever a regen burn is occurring.

    I imagine dealers will be busy with sheer numbers of Hiluxes, Fortuners and Prados that the “Customer service exercise notification” includes.
     
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    I gather some Fortuner owners have been offered a manual switch to start regen.

    btw if your rear coils are empty, you can fit air bags inside them that will do what you want. They reduce your suspension compression when you need it.

    Nothing you do cancels the consumer guarantees you enjoy under the law.
    And if Toyota has found that lifts eg cause damage, when they know that lifts are widely fitted to improve offroadability, ask them what they've done to notify dealers and owners.
     
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    Yep i got my letter today too

    Reading the notes makes me think the car / dpf just needs an 'italian tune up' once in a while (ie. Give it bejeesus)
     
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    The silly thing is, upgraded suspension is pretty standard item to get from 3rd parties when buying new. Funny how it doesn't void a warranty at that point....
     
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    The car firms try to treat us like mushrooms.
    Isuzu outright lied in response to a warranty claim I made.
    Ford was fined 10 mil for unconscionable conduct re transmission fault claims that they brushed off.
     
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    next time my DPF goes, Ill take it out and blank it off. Make them cheaper or Fkoff I say.
     
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    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    A Vitara owner I spoke to had the dreaded clog and limp home mode in the outback. It was taken to a dealer who stuck a flowing garden hose up the exhaust :eek: It got him back on the road.