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Another Australian just passed away coming down.

Altitude sickness :(

A 34-year-old Australian academic and a Dutch man have died of altitude sickness climbing Mount Everest. Another Australian, Queensland teenager Alyssa Azar, has reached the summit, making her the youngest Australian to conquer the world’s highest mountain.

The woman, identified as Dr Maria Strydom, a finance lecturer at Monash University and experienced climber, had been travelling in Nepal with her husband, Rob.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-on-everest-as-queensland-teen-reaches-summit
 

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He mentions the disaster mystique . Cant see that as an alluring factor myself.
 
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Everest is not such a unique achievement these days.

When you see pictures like this:

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and this:

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You know that the place is no longer respected but just another destination to be ticked off
 

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I can't think of many Australian ascents of Everest worth reporting since the 'White Limbo' of 1984 (a great read by the way). Another person being guided up fixed ropes with supplemental oxygen only registers on the uninformed public's radar.

Another good article to read about Everst's ambivalent place in the climbing community:

http://andy-kirkpatrick.com/blog/view/everest_sucking_on_the_barrel

lel....

Every time someone finds a pair of Mallory’s old underpants I’m asked what this means for world mountaineering..
 

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I can't think of many Australian ascents of Everest worth reporting since the 'White Limbo' of 1984 (a great read by the way). Another person being guided up fixed ropes with supplemental oxygen only registers on the uninformed public's radar.

Another good article to read about Everst's ambivalent place in the climbing community:

http://andy-kirkpatrick.com/blog/view/everest_sucking_on_the_barrel
Most notable was Peter Madews almost ascent / decision to forfeit his own ascent in order rescue another climber.
 
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Given that Sagarmāthā is a sacred mountain and that all you need to climb it is a guide, deep pockets and good level of fitness, it really is about time the mountain was respected (in the same way as Uluru) and climbing was discouraged.
 

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It's always interesting that despite the glaringly obvious problems on Everest, people still play down a persons life long ambition, hard training, personal sacrifices and a genuine love of climbing by generalising and stereotyping everybody that makes an attempt.

All the best mountaineers in the world were that exact same person once. The fact that some became very good and very lucky by their own admission gives them the opportunity to look back and allow comment.

We glorify the achievements of things like the 84 climb yet in the same breath criticise an approach which gives a slightly better margin of safety. The 84 climb was crazy out there by comparison. As usual, we love sending up the big names but God help if Joe blow wants to have a crack.

Again, separating the circus issues, an individual's desire to climb Everest or any other peak for personal satisfaction is their choice. They all accept the risk. They have a choice.

This can be said about any sport or high risk activity. We love quoting and reading about seasoned veterans but did we forget that they were part of the same machine ? They had a huge impact on everyday Joe's inspiration for going big. The large numbers that summit now doesn't take away the fact that it's hard and still attractive to some.

What seems to be an illogical challenge to one person can be a life long passion for the next.
 

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Most notable was Peter Madews almost ascent / decision to forfeit his own ascent in order rescue another climber.
This, I know Peter and Mandy. Talked to him before and after casually at a dinner.

He abandoned his climb and carried down an injured climber from Hillary steps. This is worth noting.
Getting dragged up Everest on a rope, might as well take the escalator.
 

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This, I know Peter and Mandy. Talked to him before and after casually at a dinner.

He abandoned his climb and carried down an injured climber from Hillary steps. This is worth noting.
Getting dragged up Everest on a rope, might as well take the escalator.
From Hilary's? Wow, that's not too far from the top and a long way back down carting another human being
 

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Mmm....I think people have thrown this line around so much that some actually believe it happens all the time.
I know someone who climbed Everest. He is fat and moderately fit with very deep pockets.
 
I don't think it's any sort of revelation the Everest is not a technical ascent as such and there are many other peaks that are significantly harder from a mountaineering POV. Nonetheless, everything comes into play at this altitude and no-one should ever believe that anyone is dragged up Everest. It's a huge effort but unfortunately has been commercialised almost beyond repair.
 
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There are not many activities you can do where you don't make a mistake but still die. Altitude death doesn't seem to care who you are. IMO taking that on is not worth it. Kudos to those that make it though and survive.

The term 'death zone' kind of turns me off. I live in the 'fun zone'.

And with altitude sickness, you just don't know. You could climb Everest 15 times no worries, then on the 16th, bam, stroke.

As for youngest, Im glad that is 19, and not like 8. Good for her, I hope she enjoyed the experience. Old enough to be doing for herself IMO.
 

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Maybe there should be a preliminary test climb, to appraise the "climbers" fitness, experience, skills and suitability before they strike out to "conquer" Everest with their Sherpa chaperones.
K2 is lower, so surely easier and thus a good warm up and litmus test.
 
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C'mon TW, :) you know Everest is not the first climb these people are doing. Sure some are fast tracking and I know there are a lot that put ego first. I'm just over the whole Everest bashing like it's suddenly not a worthy objective. It's the largest mountain on the planet.

It's the same reason people strap themselves into a top fuel drag car and do the quarter in under 4 seconds at 380 mph......Stupid objective right?
 

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On a commercial climb, it'd be 99% of their first and only 8000 M climb.
It's the top of the world and the ego for commercial clients.
Why use supplemental oxygen when it's been done many times before with none ---- only if you're not up to it and want to climb the 7000M physiologically handicapped E.
Why not go for the real McCoy and get guided up the SW or Kangshung Faces with no supplemental oxygen, alpine style, by yourself using your own skills?
:)
 

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This, I know Peter and Mandy. Talked to him before and after casually at a dinner.

He abandoned his climb and carried down an injured climber from Hillary steps. This is worth noting.
Getting dragged up Everest on a rope, might as well take the escalator.
Yeah. I did the brickwork on his house. We talked about it quite a lot . Said he would have liked to have gone back but Mandy would not approve. His fingers looked awfull.
 

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If 3-400 summit in a season, how many try?

This attitude of just pay the money, like cosmetic surgery, implies a lack of risk that is unrealistic.
 
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Goody some folks built us a highway up the Khumbu. But then again I have placed hundreds of bolts in sport climbs so perhaps just as contrived :confused:
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Remember there is up and down.....it aint over till your back in base camp...and last year that was a bit of a worry too...
looks like an Aldi Ski sale up there people all over the shop...

and what is with the landfill photos.....:oops:
 

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Participating in" Running of the Bulls" is statistically more favourable than a week with the sherpas...
:p
 
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Apparently the woman that died did recognise she was in trouble and turned back before the summit. Just a bit too late though.
http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...t/news-story/eac19ea383cff89febc2a0c26786a906

Operational manager Furtengi Sherpa told the Herald Sun that on Friday Dr Strydom had almost made it to the top.

But she suffered from a “lack of energy and weakness” he said and had to turn around and start back while the rest of the party reached the top.

Furtengi Sherpa said Dr Strydom and her personal sherpa got back down to Camp 4 that night and had started to head back down the mountain again on Saturday.

But her tiredness and lack of energy continued despite being given oxygen.

Finally, at an altitude of 7800 metres, “She could not resist any more. She stopped breathing right there,” he said.

The Himalayan Times reported that Dr Strydom suffered from snow blindness followed by stroke.
 

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Know nothing about climbing, but an experienced climber ( I think 4 times Everest) on the radio today thought that a major problem is the mountain being so crowded, too many people are spending time waiting to get to the top because of waiting for others to get down which means too much time at high altitude. He reckons that is the big problem.
 
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This was a good read and why I'm a bit meh about Everest these days

http://www.outsideonline.com/2064481/david-morton-and-ghosts-everest

Thanks for the link, that was an interesting article, but even more interesting was the embedded link to Seb Junger's article on PTSD and modern society which covered not just PTSD but how it's effects are often multiplied by a return to "modern society" In other words how mortally dispiriting modern society seems to be experienced mountaineers and combat experienced soldiers to come home to when they have finished their expedition/tour of duty.

Not really related - just interesting...
 
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It reads just like every piece written by mainstream media. Nothing new.
 
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