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Discussion in 'Japan' started by M_G, Sep 26, 2018.
Not to hard to read ticket data.
Why 3 trains? We normally catch a direct bus between the two airports.
The article appears, to me, to be FUD as the magazine part of that paper relies on travel companies ads to survive.
Saw that last night. That is simply poor planning. Only takes a minute when checking flights to see that they are 2 different airports. Do it before booking and choose another option or allow enough time for the transfer. To be unaware until arrival is just poor practice. Spend a bit less time worrying about getting cheapest fare and a bit more time paying attention to detail.
They probably panicked and didn't know there were buses. There are also some direct trains between the two airports.
I've taken the 3 trains when I've had a JR pass. Used JR pass to ski Tohoku. Last day flew from Aomori to Haneda, monorail to Hamamatsucho, Yamanote line to Tokyo and NEX to Narita. No problems.
edit. that was an earlier trip before the Shinkansen extended to Aomori. Since then I have take full advantage of the JR east pass and taken the Shinkansen back to Ueno.
Particularly poor attention to detail for an apparently experienced traveler.
or better yet, just used the search function.
I've witnessed people arriving late in night in Haneda with absolute zero idea how to get into Tokyo. Getting frustrated with an airport employee who spoke very little English because she couldn't tell them. Got pissed off with me when I asked if they'd ever heard of the internet.
Met a couple on the local train to Hakuba who had been travelling something like 6-7 hours. Travel agent told then "Take a train out of Shinjuku". So there they were, sitting on local trains all the way from Shinjuku to Hakuba.
Just gobsmacked sometimes about how ill prepared some people can be. Then they'll get onto Tripadvisor or the like and have a huge whinge.
I find the whole thing very suspicious.
Someone who visits there regularly?
5 times to Japan skiing previously?
I wouldn't be surprised if the journo doesn't even have a brother.
It’s the first thing I tell newbie Japan travellers if they tell me they are flying into and then out of Tokyo - check your airports. Ensure you are going in and out of the same airport - if not get ready for a big transfer between. Unbelievable how many have come back to me saying THANKS! They are into one and out of the other and wouldn’t have realised...
I was behind an innocent abroad at JFK in New York once. Not only was she at the wrong airport - she had missed the previous sector and her whole ticket was cancelled. I was very impressed at the efforts of the American airlines gate agent who put things back together for her.
Double this, how many "seasoned travelers" don't know that major cities usually have a few airports? I learned this when I booked my first overseas trip and was doing a Ryan Air flight from Frankfurt. Frankfurt Hahn and Frankfurt Am Main are very far away from each other (luckily my mate picked it in advance and we bussed over with time to spare).
Who could be that stupid ?
FAKE NEWS !!!!!
I quite like catching the little local trains occasionally. They can be quite relaxing and can even be easier to store ski gear on. Enjoy seeing the different regular day to day Japanese commuters, housewives, school kids etc as opposed to the businessmen on the Shinkansens and see the countryside at a slower pace. An hour or maybe two of that is fine. But 6-7 hours when I can cover that in 1-2 hours on the Shinkansen - not likely!
PB and are those smug arseholes at the airport that know exactly what is going on, breeze through security with the wry grin at the rookie traveller taking off belts and shoes and going through the scanner for the 3rd time.
However, it’s only a matter of time.
Missed our first flights this week. Totally not our fault, but there is considerable stress involved even when you know it’s inevitable, there was little you could do to improve the situation or to have prevented it, and when you have enough financial leeway to rebook and get decent accomodation for the night. And you have travel insurance.
I have a new sympathy for people who find themselves in this situation and don’t have all their ducks lined up.
That is one of the certainties in life. There is never any shortage of human stupidity.
And partly for that reason I don't spend too much time on places like Tripadvisor or at least disregard most of the ones that complain most loudly as they will usually be the ones that have done little or no research beforehand.
There was a time when air-travel was not that usual and not for everyone.
My fist flight was when I was 15 in a 4 person plane.
Next was at 22 with AirIndia to Japan ( from Frankfurt).
Lucky for me at that time Haneda was just domestic and Narita looked like a battle fort.
And there was no internet in those days.
And people still smoked on planes...
....and prices ar still the same (but with direct flight).
Just one generation ealier ship was the main transport to Europe from Japan for people, and many I know came that way.
I call bullshit on that article as well. Nobody who skis Japan regularly would make that mistake.
Unless they’d never done the Tokyo transfer before...
You can fly straight into Sapporo, and if you’re skiing Honshu you may only have ever been to one airport (possibly multiple times).
It’d be blinkered for sure.
But it IS possible to be that unaware.
The overall point of the story was wrong. Wouldn't matter whether you got cheap flights or not, any muppet who makes that wrong airport mistake is in for some extra costs for sure.
I sympathise with anyone who gets these details wrong, because I too have sinned
on an early January morning in 2004 I arrived with then-d12 person a at the Venice bus terminal to catch a bus to Campitello di Fassa
we were waiting at the right place
a bus arrived at the right time
I asked an Italian who appeared to be the driver, 'is this the bus for Campitello?', in Italian
he muttered something that sounded like affirmation
the trip appeared to be going ok, travelling in the appropriate Dolomitish direction
later, the bus turned right at Arrabba toward La Villa rather than left toward Campitello
I didn't realise the problem until La Villa, where the driver (who wasn't the guy I had spoken to) told me he was now returning to Venice via Arrabba
we got off att Arrabba and caught a taxi to Campitello
not inexpensive - something like €60 - but probably could have been worse
Almost all rants about cheap flights are usually wrong. From the "I flew out of a budget terminal" to "I had to pay for an additional bag" or even "I couldn't reschedule my flight without buying a new one". Almost all of them boil down to "I was expecting a full service carrier at a budget price"
Or when your connection gets cancelled and you need to scramble in a foreign country.
I still vividly remember when central Japan got covered in snow and the bus to Hakuba wasn't running on my first solo trip overseas. No phone, no wifi, no map, couldn't speak the local language or read the signs, had trouble getting cash out of the ATM... fun times
The cheap flight angle is the lack of help to resolve the problem and the need to buy new full fare tickets.
Not a lot of assistance out there for full business tix and platinum FF status either just quietly...
We got stuck in a 7hr 25km long traffic jam - driving to Hakuba..
That same weather system
That's why I was so happy to find this forum, first time O/S in 30 years, first time to Japan. Asked a whole heap of questions, some most probably quite simple or stupid for long time Japanese skier's, but between that and looking up the internet for vid's it made the whole trip fantastic maybe too good as were going back next year