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Another rental ski question - Standard vs performance

Discussion in 'Perisher' started by Nightskywatcher, Jul 1, 2019.

  1. Nightskywatcher

    Nightskywatcher One of Us

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    My daughter and I are down for a long weekend on the 19th Jul. We are once a year skiers for 5 years. Can ski green runs OK. Got a bit freaked out on Mt P Towers last year, more scared of getting out of control in steeper terrain, but made it down. I think we annoyed a few people on the way down, sorry for that.

    We are staying on snow at the manor in perisher, so don't want to cart skis from Jindy and are hiring out of Perisher Centre for pure convenience.

    Anyway, the $100 question, are the "performance" skis at Perisher noticeably better quality, ski ability, better serviced?

    We were out a couple of years ago with private tutor after fresh snow, and the hire skis were getting stuck in the fresh snow. He took us back to mid station and put some hand wax on our skis and it made it skiing much better in the soft snow. Like everyone, we hate ice and again get freaked out hearing the grating noise.

    On a separate note, if anyone is there at Perisher on the 19th-22nd and wants to take some "greeners" on a tour of the resort, we would be most grateful.

    BTW I'm 50, my daughter is 16.
     
  2. silva

    silva One of Us

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    Rental gear is often not hot waxed so the wax does not last long (not talking specifically about Perisher with this statement as I do not know what their procedures are)
    If you are irregular skiers who mostly stick to green runs you probably will not benefit hugely from renting performance gear.
    What will make a difference is - ask the person issuing you your skis "Can you please wax these for me" then either go in to the hire centre every couple of days with the same request or purchase some rub on wax and touch up the edges each morning.
    Demo gear is usually kept in good nick with fresh wax as they are hopeful that you will buy the skis after demoing them.
     
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  3. Shoey

    Shoey Hard Yards

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    In my past experience, rentals trickle through a tiering system. New performance gear will first get rented out as demo, then past a season or two they will fall into the 'performance' bucket and then ultimately after a few years end up in the standard bucket (also named 'Bronze' or 'Blue' etc, or get sold as ex-demo). Non high performance skis would go through first being labelled as premium and then end up in the same Bronze/Blue bucket.

    When I first started I used to just get the base rentals and they tend to be pretty battered, even one time having broken bindings. Then I tried some performance level (this was in France so around 80EUR for a wk) and would get something like a HEAD iShape carvers that looks like to be around 2 or so yrs old.

    I think what I learnt is to forgo renting entirely, and buy a nice 2nd hand pair via private sale. Skis depreciate quite quickly and what you pay for a 2nd hand pair could be as cheap as roughly the same cost as renting (or maybe twice the cost), but it would only have had usage by 1 person instead of being thrashed the whole season by customers. Of course you have the cost of edge & wax which is around 50 bucks.
     
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  4. currawong

    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    the trap of buying 2nd hand skis, assuming they are ok when you get them, is hanging on to them too long. If you only ski a few days a year you will be tempted to keep them long after you have outgrown them or technology has moved on. they may hold you back instead of helping you improve and enjoy your skiing more. not saying not to do it, but only if you can replace in a few years. otherwise rentals can grow with you
     
  5. Legs Akimbo

    Legs Akimbo Grumblebum Ski Pass: Gold

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    First wax.

    Are you carving or nearly carving? Do you know what carving is? If not, there is probably not any point in getting performance skis.
     
  6. Shoey

    Shoey Hard Yards

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    Agree, but rentals will only grow with you if you are renting demo grade, which as a recent example, I was quoted $500nzd for 2wks. I ended up purchasing a pair of Soul 7 v1 for 450. For me (intermediate venturing into off piste) this feels like a more sensible option if I can even get 2yrs/4wks out of them. I also picked up these Elan twilight 84s (looks like 2016) for my wife for 80aud via Facebook market. They are ex-demo and the lady who sold it used it about 4 times..
     

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  7. Nightskywatcher

    Nightskywatcher One of Us

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    I think the only carving I do is with my pork roast LOL

    We are at the "concentrating on our S turns" phase. We get 3-5 days a year on the slopes and looking to improve each time. I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't missing out on something basic for improvement, like a simple step-up in quality could provide.
     
  8. Pink

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    As far as I understand, performance rental skis are usually for more advanced skiers; stiffer for stability at speed or specialist shapes (twin tips, powder skis, etc.) Standard rental skis are cheaper softer skis which are more forgiving and best for beginner/intermediate skiers. Save your money for the apres ski.:thumbs:
     
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  9. skull

    skull One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    the 'performance' hire skis from Perisher were absolute rubbish when I hired from there 4 years ago. If you want to hire performance skis go the the guys at Rhythm in Smigs (or collect at Cooma on way through) and hire a demo set of skis. You will get something worth paying the extra for then.
     
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  10. Kimski

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    A few years ago the only 'standard' skis they had that worked with my boots (small feet) were an absolute disgrace. No good for anything but throwing in the bin. Keep in mind that hiring even standard skis on mountain in Oz is not a cheap exercise.

    After standing my ground ski hire relented and hired me the performance skis for the standard price but the whole episode was not great as far as customer relations goes. The performance skis were nothing special. Pretty much a base or mid-range ski most hire places.
     
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  11. elSpike

    elSpike I am a Meat Popsicle Ski Pass: Gold

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    Interestingly we were given 2018 Rossi Experience 88 and 84s as standard skis here this week. Other places would have them tagged as performance and be dishing out Pursuit 100s to the masses.
     
  12. Nightskywatcher

    Nightskywatcher One of Us

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    Was that at Perisher Centre or elsewhere?
     
  13. elSpike

    elSpike I am a Meat Popsicle Ski Pass: Gold

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    In-house rental at the lodge we are staying at in Falls.
     
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    J_busworth One of Us

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    Last time I hired from Perisher was the reason I went out and bought skis. Performance options were either 3 or 4 year old at the time Volkl or K2 skis which all looked worse for wear, whilst the masses were getting some Salomon planks that looked well past used by. At least in standard hire you could get the right size, I literally had to grab skis off someone who was returning otherwise I had the option of a size too big or too small. Make sure if anything you actually get proper boots, they tried to give some people ancient rear entry boots without any working bindings last time I was in there. I have never ever seen equipment as old as the stuff Perisher dug up anywhere other than a ski museum...

    Ah, the memories. Lesson - hire in Jindy or buy your own stuff.
     
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    MarzNC One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Getting decent boots that actually fit will make far more difference than any choice of skis. Most beginners/intermediates who rent end up in boots that are too big because they are "comfortable."

    I've always owned boots as an adult, even when I wasn't skiing very often. Not necessarily the best boots, but fit far better than rental boots. When my daughter was just starting out skiing (age 4), I didn't bother to buy skis. I used an old pair of boots (bought with straight skis) until it was clear we would be skiing regularly. For her as she was growing, I did a season lease until it was worth buying her used gear. By then I had learned enough to know how to outfit a kid.
     
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