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Another Tent Question...Lightest 4 Season Tent?

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by SimonInAustralia, Sep 28, 2007.

  1. SimonInAustralia

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    I have been wanting a light weight 4 season tent for a while.

    I go hiking backcountry solo often, as I can't find anyone that wants to go where and when I do (or more likely that wants to put up with me), and as I'm solo I need the lightest possible 4 season tent for a single person plus gear.

    I recently purchased a Macpac Alpine Cocoon bivvy bag, which is very light. But I'm not sure if I want to try and deal with using it in a blizzard, not being able to put my clothing and gear inside with me out of the storm, not being able to cook in a vestibule, etc.

    I was considering the Macpac Summit (1.8KG in use/2.0KG total) as my preferred option so far...
    Macpac Summit
    ...though it doesn't seem to have a fully enclosed vestibule.


    But, some of the Black Diamond 4 season options seem suitable and lighter as well...

    Lighthouse (1.45KG Tent and Poles, 1.74KG As Packaged, optional vestibule extra weight?)...
    http://www.bdel.com/gear/lighthouse.php

    Firstlight (1.22KG Tent and Poles, 1.55KG As Packaged, optional vestibule extra weight?)...
    http://www.bdel.com/gear/firstlight.php

    Highlight (1.18KG Tent and Poles, 1.42KG As Packaged, optional vestibule extra weight?)...
    http://www.bdel.com/gear/hilight.php

    Oneshot (1.04KG Tent and Poles, 1.28KG As Packaged, no vestibule)...
    http://www.bdel.com/gear/oneshot.php


    Anyone else looked into lightweight 4 season tents, and come up with other options?

    Any opinions on the Macpac Summit, and how it performs, both in the snow, and in the other 3 seasons?

    Any opinions on the Black Diamond light weight 4 season tents, and how they perform, both in the snow, and in the other 3 seasons?


    Are there any issues with a single wall tent that I should be concerned about, can they handle wet/rain type conditions as well as dry snow conditions OK, etc.?
     
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    I've had a MacPac Nautilus (supposedly 3 season) for 10+ years that i upgraded to the tougher gold poles, that i take if i'm going on my own instead of the Olympus. About 2.3kgs i think. It has stood up to phenomomal winds and decent snow loads no problemo. Fits 2. IMHO one of the the biggest issues with little tents is being able to sit up inside while sitting out a storm.
     
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    Ive used a MP summit a couple of times but it was a while ago. It certinlly didnt breath as well as double wall tents. But with just me it was ok because I could stay away from the walls.

    The other tent I used a fair bit was a bibler I tent. This seamed to work a bit better.
     
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    So is that the problem with single walled tents, breathability? Does that result in condensation building up on the walls and dripping, or icing up if cold enough?

    I guess that the single walled tent is a better choice for use in a blizzard though, as you are totally sealed in, is that right?

    Black Diamond bought Bilber, and they now sell the Bilber tents. The Black Diamond Firstlight is based on the Bilber I-Tent, using different fabric.
     
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    I was going down the 'light as possible' path when I was looking at 4 season tents last season but decided against it. Instead i went bombproof and reliable in the MSR Fury (http://www.msrcorp.com/tents/fury.asp).
    Fair bit heavier than you wanted but I ended up going for it for a few reasons:
    -very strong. Last thing I want on a trip is a tent that $hits itself which will inevitably come at the worst time
    -easy to set up with one person. I do a fair bit of solo stuff like yourself
    -reliable. I'd heard only good things from local and overseas users.
    -roomy. Like mr said. Being able to sit out a storm rather than lie prone is very welcome.
    -vestibule. Big enough to hold all the gear 2 people will take on a trip.

    I have a bivvy bag that I use for overnighters with a good forecast and if I'm going on a non-winter hike that doesn't need a bigger tent but apart from those times i take the Fury. I didn't go the lightweight tent as I saw myself having a bad experience and just having to buy a more suitable tent a season or 2 down the track anyway.
    That's all just my opinion.
     
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    Re: Another Tent Question...Lightest 4 Season Tent

    Yup, pretty much. That's why a lot of single walled tents use goretex to give some breathability. Single walled tents may also not be as warm as *some* double-walled tents as that layer of air trapped between the fly and the inner acts to keep ya insulated (unless the inner is mesh or whatever.

    Macpac have ended the goretex licence this season, so the Summit will have new fabric. Their workbook says fabric TBA, but I'm guessing it'll have a Reflex waterproof/breathable membrane meaning it won't breathe *quite* so well as the older model. I personally would try to track down one of last season's ones, if I was going for one. Then again, they may be cheaper because of the change.
     
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  7. SimonInAustralia

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    Re: Another Tent Question...Lightest 4 Season Tent

    Thanks for that tip, useful info!
     
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    Re: Another Tent Question...Lightest 4 Season Tent

    Simon there is a Swedish tent manufacturer called Hilleberg that make lightweight double wall 4 season tents.
    They specialise in 4 season tents and are very popular in Europe. Sweden has large areas of exposed, wet high country like Australia so their tents are well designed for our conditions.

    I have one of their lightweight solo tents, the Akto, which performs brilliantly. To give you a brief idea, it is 1.45 kg, and has a vestibule that I regularly cook in and store gear. This tent seems to fit the description of what you want perfectly.

    Have a look at their website anyway: http://www.hilleberg.com
     
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    Re: Another Tent Question...Lightest 4 Season Tent

    Thanks Pebble, will check it out.
     
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    Re: Another Tent Question...Lightest 4 Season Tent

    Pebble, where did you order yours from? Is the ventilation adequate for hot summer nights, or should it be purely used as a snow tent?

    Saw one in action years ago and was intrigued. Now I'm tempted to pick one up.
     
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    Re: Another Tent Question...Lightest 4 Season Tent

    I actually ordered it direct from the company's US outlet. From memory it was about 350 US for the tent and 60 shipping, so it cost about $600 total. This was some time ago and the US/AUS exchange rate is now alot better, so I reckon one of these could be picked up for around $500 including shipping.

    It has less ventilation and hence a little more condensation than tents with mesh inners (such as MSR Hubbas) but this has rarely presented a problem for me as the fly has plenty of available zipper vents. I have found the versatility of this to be adequate for warm or humid conditions.
     
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    Re: Another Tent Question...Lightest 4 Season Tent

    Do 4 season dual wall tents usually have non-mesh/full-sealed inners?

    Wouldn't the wind/snow come under the fly and through the mesh in a blizzard, in a dual wall tent with a mesh inner.
     
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    Re: Another Tent Question...Lightest 4 Season Tent

    One of the reasons a tent is 4 season is the fact that it has a material inner wall or an option to cover the mesh up. This helps trap heat in.
     
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    Re: Another Tent Question...Lightest 4 Season Tent

    Gotta have 2 vestibules with 2 peeps in the snow IMHO. Also min. unsupported panel areas, option for storm fly or flaps and excellent structural integrity.

    (Don't forget to add the weight of snow pegs into the equation).
     
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    Re: Another Tent Question...Lightest 4 Season Tent

    Personally I think double-wall 4 season tents are the best choice. Sealed up single-wall tents have far too much condensation IMO, which can cause fabric to get very wet or icy and start to sag. Australian conditions are wet enough without the added concern of too much condensation.

    I think most 4 season double-wall tents have flys that keep snow out in most conditions except for an all-out blizzard. They also have a minimum amount of mesh on the inner and storm flaps to cover it up. Any tent with alot of mesh on the inner would probably not be classed a 4 season tent.
     
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    Its amazing how few 4 season tents are now available with 2 vestibules. Macpac Olympus is a case in point, used to have two useable vestibules now only has one. I don't really understand why manufacturers are moving away from this. In bad conditions, its very useful to have packs and wet gear up one end and cooking down the other.

    I've been looking at the Hilleberg range also. Look like excellent 4 season tents, and well suited to what you are after. Have a look at the Nallo or the Namatj. The GT version of each looks quite interesting too with the extended vestibule and doesn't add too much weight. I particularly like the Nallo GT with the vestibule like a patio... here
     
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    Lightest snow tent =

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    Takes a while to set up (dig the cave), but completely weatherproof.
     
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    Also takes a large amount of energy to dig, and leaves you wet from the snow and sweat during the making of it, exposing you to possible hypothermia.

    A good option for sure, but maybe not for someone on a solo mission, or that needs shelter quickly in an emergency.
     
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    That shovel probably weights as much as some of the tents mentioned
     
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    Back in the old days when my body was less aged and my mind was more excitable I did heaps of solo trips lugging a Macpac Olympus 3.6 kg - luxury at night, misery on my back, or the converse, a goretex bivvy bag, misery at night, luxury on my back----I have now seen the light!!
    I have used a BD Betamid for the past 5 years, light, room for 2, a palace for 1!!, extremely weather proof--I did add my own snow flaps though!--and versatile.
    I can put up with the condensation in a blizzard if I need to have it battened down or I can have heaps of air circulation on cold quiet nights by lengthening my ski poles and have no condensation.
    I use 3 configurations, Betamid 1.03 kg & bivvy bag--very versatile, Betamid and BD tub floor 1.6 kg all up ( the floor is great for sleeping on a hut floor to protect my mat & sleeping bag) or Betamid and Beta Bug--effectively a 2 walled tent 1.85 kg all up.
    And, best of all, not super expensive.
    Just my 2 cents worth
    Club Lake Creek- Betamid & The Trouble and Strife, Easter 2006
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    For solo walks in alpine areas I use a Macpac Mineret (2.5kg), but I use an Macpac Olympus for snow camping, just because it's designed to handle the load of snow better than the Mineret.

    I spoke to Macpac 5-10 years ago and suggested that they bring out a true 1 man 4 season tent, a scaled down version of the Olympus, but still 3 hoops. There is a real need for something like this as not everyone goes bushwalking in alpine areas with even numbers or want to share a tent.
     
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    Pity they didn't do that...I'm a sucker for 'brand names' and marketing, I like Macpac gear (along with other big brands like Apple, Burton, Sony, etc.).
     
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    Having just spent 36 hours or so in a Bibler Tempest in one large blizzard, I can confirm that they like to ice up in side. However, that was with two big blokes, cooking INSIDEthe tent etc...my mineret would have been much wetter.

    The Macpac Summit is gas permiable, so you can cook, weld, pull bongs what ever in it, and it will still exhale...
     
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    Nice to know...welding and pulling bongs, two backcountry essential activities!
     
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    I've got both the Hilleberg Nallo2 (2.1Kg with one huge vestibule) and the Kaitum (2.6Kg with 2 huge vestibules). I use the Nallo2 for myself and Kaitum is great for two. Both tents have withstood 130kph winds last year in Wilkinson Valley (no shelter/snow walls, etc to break the wind).
    Just back from a very wet and windy Ramshead Range in the Kaitum. Lots of condensation when one vestibule COMPLETELY sealed and the other almost shut due to extreme winds and spindrift/rain and cooking inside for two people. No spindrift getting in due to complete closure of vestibule down to the ground. Could mop up the inside of the tent fly and outer wall of inner tent very easily by unclipping the fly from the inner to help stop the drips whilst inside. No worries at all with handling the wind speed winds (Thredbo Top Station gusting to 110kph (just checked on the BOM website)). Last year it easily handled the only 40cm dump of the season (Queens Birthday w/e) and not once did the fly come in contact with the inner. Check out http://www.moontrail.com for complete photos of both tents.
     
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    Its probably worth noting that the Nallo and the Kaitum that legend is talking about are Hilleberg's 'ultralight' versions of the stronger and heavier Nammatj and Keron counterparts.
     
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    Re alans post, the MacPac nautilus i have is effectively a scaled-down version of the olympus, but with 2 poles. I thought that with the large pole in the middle my 3-pole olympus would shed new snow better than my 2 pole nautilus, but it actually isnt so....i think as the nautilus middle section (ie between the poles) is flatter than the between sections on the olympus...dunno.
     
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    Not quite. The Minaret is the two pole version of the olympus. The nautilus has a very slightly different pole configuration - a "V", where the pole ends meet in the middle of the tent - where the minaret and olympus have the poles more or less in parallel. My experience with the nautilus in snow is that the centre section between the poles loaded up nastily. YMMV.

    K
     
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    Re: Another Tent Question...Lightest 4 Season Tent

    Sweet dude. The new macpac ones aren't out yet so as long as you're planning on getting one in the next little while it shouldn't be an issue.

     
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    Re: Another Tent Question...Lightest 4 Season Tent

    Funny, innit Keiran? My Olympus has loaded up worse than my Nautilus (which i thought was weird) but for you the opposite. Funny stuff that snow. Agree about the V-shape vs parallel. Right you are.

    Problem with the olympus and nautilus is that they need peg-tension to hold them up, not so hot in rocky conditions.

    The extra internal height of the olympus certainly provides better options (lets call it the full karma sutra range) for nocturnal alpine sports.
     
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    Re: Another Tent Question...Lightest 4 Season Tent

    The Nautilus is also heavier than the Minaret.
     
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    Agreed - there are lots of different variables for snow loading which makes comparisons a bit dodgy. The extra head height is a nice thing though. I've got a Minaret but I'm seriously considering a WE First Arrow (or whatever their called this year) for the wide entrance and extra headroom.

    K

    On the other hand, I just bought an enormous car camping dome with 190cm of head room. At ~7.5 kilos, it might be a bit much for the ultimate snow camping experience.
     
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    Yep, it wouldnt be my first choice now, and i think i have a soft spot for it as i've done many many nights in it. But for me it is a good example of a 3-seasoner can do 4 with a little tweaking - something i guess that can be considered when looking for a 1-person 4-season tent...for Australia at least.

    I think we need a pitching-options thread as it also effects different tents and the same tents differently....
     
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    7.5 kilos? Thats a featherweight!

    The 2 x double room with entrance lounge, bar and verandah uber-tent i bought last year comes in at a hefty 30 kilograms.
     
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    Re: Another Tent Question...Lightest 4 Season Tent

    the Mountain Hardware Spire 2 is a light 4 season option. 2.1kg (from memory), 2 vestibles, 3 poles. I haven't used one, but have seen them in shops & they seem like a good option.
     
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    Re: Another Tent Question...Lightest 4 Season Tent

    Still weighing up the options (pun intended).

    But if I do go for one of the Black Diamond tents, or the Hilleberg Akto, and want to spend a silly amount of money for minimal extra weight savings, I can save a little more weight with carbon fibre tent poles...

    CF poles for Black Diamond Firstlight, save 164 grams, cost US$129.95 + US$12 shipping...
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130158099922

    CF poles for Black Diamond Lighthouse, save 126 grams, cost US$159.95 + US$12 shipping...
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130158099828

    CF pole for Hilleberg Akto, save 85 grams, cost US$56 + US$12 shipping...
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130158098477


    ...anyone have experience with carbon fibre replacement tent poles? Are they just as sturdy as the supplied aluminium poles?
     
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    Re: Another Tent Question...Lightest 4 Season Tent

    The BD EPIC tents are NOT rain proof!!!!!!!!!!!
    Good and light for snow and short showers though apparently.
     
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    Re: Another Tent Question...Lightest 4 Season Tent

    The reviews on the net from people that own one seem to vary substantially...some people say they leak like a sieve at the slightest shower, some people say than handle a monsoonal downpour happily.

    Then Black Diamond rate them as a four season tent, and some retailers say they are really only 3 season.

    Confusing...but cheap...might try a Black Diamond Firstlight anyway, just for the fact it's only 1.2KG and you can really find good deals from the US compared to the prices here.
     
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    The Bibler I-tent - single wall, weighs one kilo, two poles and can literally be put up in a howling blizzard in 3 minutes. Made by black diamond - this is a beauty. I sat out a 100 km per hour plus blizzard for 14 hours - saved my life - staked down only with skis and the help of a small rock behind. Comes with optional vestibule (200g). A bit pricey but worth every cent!! Look no further!
     
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    @ tele-whippet

    how storm proof are the BD Betamids? ie how wind proof & blizzard proof? I use a bivvy bag pretty often, & so have wondered if something like a bivvy+Betamid would be a good option (I like the price!).
     
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    Don't know about your claimed weights, the website says the I-Tent + Optional Vestibule is 2.6KG all up, vs your claimed 1.2KG, that's quite a difference...

    http://www.bdel.com/gear/detail/i-tent_detail.php

    Bilber I-Tent: As Packaged 2.2 kg, Tent & Poles 1.95 kg, Optional Vestibule 635 g

    ...the Black Diamond Firstlight is based on the i-tent design, but with lighter (and some report as being not very waterproof) EPIC fabric, rather than the heavier ToddTex fabric of the I-Tent.
     
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  42. SimonInAustralia

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    And does the Betamid rely on using your ski poles as tent poles?

    This would be a problem leaving it setup while you went off riding, wouldn't it?
     
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    Yes sorry - quite right about the weight - 2 kilos and a bit with the vestibule, it just feels so light considering how strong this tent is. The Todd Tex fabric is strong and totally waterproof. Seam sealer comes with the tent and you give it a good once over with it. Zips are heavy duty and the door flaps stop all snow drift. All taped up inside and the corners reinforced so that you just shove the pole in quickly without having to search for locating holes (you can do that after your in) There is excellent ventilation through the top of the tent. Light, strong, no fuss and goes up in two minutes flat if you have to.
     
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    They are 2 very keen product-based first posts by the miloman....maybe i'm just feeling cynical today.
     
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    Re: Another Tent Question...Lightest 4 Season Tent

    Hi JimiT & SimoninOz,
    The Betamid is totally rain/snowproof and is amazing at shedding gale force winds but probably not storm force winds (isn't that when you dig a hole in a drift and doze off in your bivvy bag with no flapping nylon to keep you awake or a bent pole in your face) Blizzard proof totally, idiot proof?? location, location, location!
    As you can see from the photos, I added snow flaps to stop spind-drift from infiltrating under the tarp.
    And yes, you have to use your ski poles (or 1:take a spare pair if you want a base camp-or 2:collapse you Mid and stow your gear in your bivvy bag & mark it on your GPS!- for day trips)
    IMHO - the Betamid is the best light weight tent/combo I've used in 30 years BC skiing-- and its not too foul on the $$!
    Light weight trips are a compromise - except for the single malt!
     
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    Have never heard anything good about those BD EPIC tents. It was even mentioned a few months ago here "those little yellow black diamond tents can't stand anything more than a light shower" or something along those lines....might have been Bogong?

    Hope you decide to get the Akto [​IMG]
     
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    Re: Another Tent Question...Lightest 4 Season Tent

    Still leaning towards maybe giving one of the Black Diamonds a go, can pick up BD FirstLight for about $200US. With the exchange rate, that isn't too much of a risk if it turns out bad.
     
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    Got to love the exchange rate at the moment. I'm going to pick up some stuff from the US shortly also and make the most of it.

    Of course, with the AUD as strong as it is, petrol should be under a dollar but that is clearly going off topic.
     
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    hi kids, been watching this forum for some time and decided it was time to join in. I have as many of you a plethora of tents. my favourites at the moment are my betamid, you can dig out amazing shapes in the snow for sitting/cooking etc inside, and my MSR one man, although the height can be a pain,it is about 1.5kg and has stood up to everything so far.
     
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    Welcome telecrag! Go the Betamid!