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Another Tent Question...Lightest 4 Season Tent?

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by SimonInAustralia, Sep 28, 2007.

  1. Ziggy

    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Re: Another Tent Question...Lightest 4 Season Tent

    Sorry BS, missed this question.

    Two things: it's set up more like a leisure clothes shop than serious outdoor clothing retailer. And I bought two NF softshell garments online from the US and the fit of both is peculiar - bulging material at the front of the armpits.

    ...

    Re Exped tents: I've got the Venus and it's nicely made with some trick features. It's rectangular in plan with cross over poles and a short ridge pole to enlarge the two vestibules. Rated by one local retailer as 3 season and another as 4.
     
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    iGlenn, yes most of the lightweight American tents that I've seen fail in severe conditions have been single skin, (they leak in western Tassie and not just from the seams, but through the fabric too), but I've also seen a dual skin tent with a featherweight fly and an almost useless mesh inner, (the Yanks make a lot of this type), get torn to pieces on Molly Hill (Mt Feathertop), when traditional 4 season tents had no trouble coping.

    Yep, it was rated "4 season", (but only by the manufacturers marketing department).
    I would love to see some sort of independent international standard for testing and rating a tents level of bomb-proofness. They could be tested:

    * In a wind tunnel to see what sort of winds they stand up to (not just front on to the wind, but from the side too).
    * Have snow shoveled onto them to see what sort of load they take before the fabric tears or the poles collapse
    * Be subjected to progressively increasing levels of "rain", from drizzle for 5 minutes, to a fire hose for 5 hours.

    I suspect most American brands would score a rating equivalent to 3 season at best, while some of the allegedly "over-engineered" Aust & NZ brands would score 5 season.
     
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    Ive had my betamid in some pretty strong winds, I was somewhat concerned as it was not in the snow, so the wind could get under (I was in my bivibag), but she took it without taking off. I would rather be "dug in" in the snow with it though.
     
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    Interesting. That sort of breakage indicates to me that the tent was pitched side onto the wind. Chances are that damage would be sustained by most tunnel tents regardless of weight if pitched side on to very strong wind.

    It was probably also more an issue of pole strength rather than the relative tensile strength of the lighter weight fly. Without checking, but i think the poles in the Nallo are the same as used in most other "4 season" tents?
     
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  6. DJM

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    Re: Another Tent Question...Lightest 4 Season Tent

    Let us know how it goes iGlenn, looks interesting.

    I love the feeling of my tent cranking to the limit......its half the fun.
     
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    Re: Another Tent Question...Lightest 4 Season Tent

    I know two Nallo 2s that survived a horrific night with winds of +130KPH. There was no shelter when we camped in Wilkinson Valley. One was pitched sideways to the wind. We did put extra guys out and this steadied them immensely (we even pegged the bottom of the fly where the poles meet the ground (we normally don't bother, but in extreme conditions it helps to retain the tent's shape) and the wind actually lifted you off the ground (inside the tent - no one was game to get outside). Both Thredbo and Perisher had this speed registered on the BOM sight.
     
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    Re: Another Tent Question...Lightest 4 Season Tent

    Its the noise that the most full on i think.

    My windiest tent-night was on the high prairies in Wyoming.

    With bogong's wind tunnel tests i would like to enable pressure gusts and downdraughts
     
  9. Wizard!

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    Re: Another Tent Question...Lightest 4 Season Tent

    I still havnt purchased my new tent yet. Im still tossing up between the different models but leaning towards a Minaret.
     
  10. DJM

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    What are your other choices Wiz? Minaret would be a reasonable choice IMO.
     
  11. climberman

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    Re: Another Tent Question...Lightest 4 Season Tent

    legend - are the Nallo's yours ? I am considering a Nallo GT for stately walks with the missus, as our trusty Salewa Sierra Leone is (at 15 years) finally being considered for retirement.
     
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    Well ive been looking around for about a year now, still havnt pulled the trigger.

    The deciding factors:

    - something "bomb proof" that will be able withstand winds above the treeline.
    - Will be used for 90% solo trips and the odd 2 person trip
    - Needs to have a good vestibule (2 vestibules would be a bonus)
    - Price doesnt really matter. Ive come to the conclusion that I will just grit my teeth and buy one.

    Been looking at the Macpac Minaret, MSR Fury, MSR Asgard.

    Any other suggestions or even a list of tents to check out would be great.

    Im heading up to Melbs to look at tents next weekend (for the 3rd time).
     
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  13. DJM

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    Re: Another Tent Question...Lightest 4 Season Tent

    Wiz, this from earlier....I really like the look of it. Had we not just bought a BD Bombshelter for family BC missions I would have checked them out.
     
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    Re: Another Tent Question...Lightest 4 Season Tent

    Wizard - i reckon a Nallo GT should be on your shortlist. Meets all the criteria.
     
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    Re: Another Tent Question...Lightest 4 Season Tent

    Thanks Glenn, it looks fantastic with that huge vestibule!
     
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    Re: Another Tent Question...Lightest 4 Season Tent

    I've got the Nallo 3 GT and is without a doubt a brilliant tent. Workmanship is top notch, weight is extremely good for the usable space, and it has flexible pitching options. I particularly like setting mine up with the front of the vestibule tied back - like a massive porch. Gives good weather protection and still allows you the views.

    The huge vestibule really sets this tent apart though. There is enough room for two packs and to cook at the same time. In the snow you can dig it out more and be really well set up.

    Regarding sizing, if it's mainly for just yourself then get the 2. The 3 is comfortable for 2 people but would be a real squeeze for 3. Two exped downmats side by side fit well. I find the 3 is overkill for just me, hence the tarptent.

    If you haven't already, check out Moontrail. They have some great photos on their site. This is where i got mine - along with some other stuff for free with the bonus points you get.
     
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    Backcountry rail jam tent.


    [​IMG]
     
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    iGlenn - I'm looking at a Nallo 2 GT for me and the missus. You sound a bit unsure of the sizing... any insights ? We usually sleep in a shared bag which can improve the feeling of internal space.
     
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    Wow, you get a lot of free stuff with it if you buy at that moontrail site.
     
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    Must.resist.urge.to.make.joke.

    I haven't seen the Nallo 2 in person so can't comment specifically on how it would be for two people. If the 3 is comfortable for two people, i would hazard a guess that the 2 would be cosy. If you are sharing a bag i think it would be fine though. According to the specs, it is 30cm narrower. It would depend on what mats you are using too i think. Our downmats are 65cm wide - the Nallo 2 is 130cms wide. They would therefore be a very tight squeeze.
     
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    [​IMG] Cosy is fine ! Have measured the Salewa and it's wider, but shorter, than the Nallo 2. Bloomin heck that GT vestibule is huge ! Makes the whole tent 4m long. +1 and I are starting to think that the thing might be too big !
     
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    Does anybody know where abouts in Melbourne I could check out the Nallo GT?
     
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    No retailers in Australia carry Hilleberg afaik.

    You are welcome to pop in and check out mine though if you are interested. I'm in Eltham.
     
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    I don't think they have an Aust presence.
     
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    If in Melb I can show you the Hilleberg Kaitum (similar to Olympus, with two great vestibules, weighs 2.6Kg). I also have the Nallo2 (weighs 2.1Kg).
    I use the Kaitum in Tassi and other long trips, or any snow trip, where I use one vestibule for cooking, pack storage, etc and the other end for getting in & out. The Nallo2 with only one vestibule & entry is incredibly roomy for one person or okay for two. I use it for mostly for weekends.
     
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    Ta legend, but I am in the Illawarra.

    Kaitum is huge too !
     
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    I was going to purchase a bivy bag for quick overnighters out on the main range, was looking at the the alpine bivy by Outdoor Research. But ended up buying a GoLite Shangri-La 1 shelter, it's basically a tarp-tent that sets up with two adjustable ski poles (works best with 3-segment poles), it's marketed as a 4 season tent (we will see I guess) and it was pretty cheap $135 USD shipped. Best of all, it packs super small and weighs, with stakes around 550grames.

    [​IMG]
     
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    i like the idea, with a good bag and a don mat. a lot more room to move then a bivy and the ability to sit out a storm. i might have a look at one of these when im in the states next week
     
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    I'm thinking of buying the Nallo 3 GT - which colour would better suit alpine use - I would normally go for a yellow fly, but the Nallo only comes in Green and Red.

    I'm not being superficial...which one would let more light in for a day when your stuck in the tent from a storm/whiteout?

    Cheers!
     
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    [​IMG] Avoiud blue and green tents for just this reason. Ive had blue WE tents and they nmake things seem colder and darker.

    My Bibler I-Tent is yellow: it feels warmer and lighter, cheerier and a good crib to whjole up in

    So b;ue's pout, don't like dark green, forget purple. I'd steer clear of black tents unless you're a Goth

    White may prove hard to find

    Yep I'm sticking with yellow
     
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    Red is great in bleak/tent bound weather (and easy to find in the mirk).
     
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    proving legends point with legends tent

    [​IMG]
     
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    Bogong Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    I once had a khaki tent. Terrific, bombproof and very reliable.

    The trouble was it was the perfect camouflage colour and if you wandered off, it was almost impossible to locate.
     
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    I like. I got my new tarp shelter for the same purpose. You will be happy.
     
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    Yeah with a tarp would be good. A bivy bag by itself can be a nightmare if you don't have time to dig a snow cave.

    Like what happened to us once we got caught in a storm half way up Mt Tywnam skiing in from Guthega and we only had
    bivy bags planning to dig a big snow cave. But this storm came in really fast and we decided to stay where we were for the
    night. We found this huge boulder with a big wind scour around it so we jumped in that and got in the sleeping bags and
    gore tex bivy. It was comfy for a while but then during the night we had so much snow dump ontop of us it compressed
    the down in the bag and we froze all through the night. So ever since then I've always carried a tent [​IMG]
     
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    Snow Blowey Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Sounds like one to tell the grandkids about Shauno.

    I've only used my bivvy a few times. I found if it's windy its a PITA because you still need to dig something out so you have somewhere sheltered to cook.
     
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    I reckon a bivy under a tarp type shelter works well for one person or two, or on its own for a third person when there is also a 2 person tent on the trip.
    My 2 man tent is a drab olive green and looks just like a rock from a distance even on a clear day.
     
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    Thats a good colour for hiding. But not so good when someone decides to take a dump behind it!
     
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    Tarps are great. They are light and cheapish and very versatile BUT IMO not great in Oz snow because when it snows, it usually blows a gale causing much flapping and spindrift invasion.
    A little DIY makes them super bombproof.
    Go to Spotlight, get some ripstop nylon (cheap as), use your mum's/+1's/own sewing machine and add some snow flaps all around the base and then sleep sound and tight when it craps out!
    Before
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    In the calm
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    A light dusting
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    Snug as a bug in a rug
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    Nice pics T_Whippet

    PS Love the Guides!
     
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    [​IMG][/img]

    First shot, the Bivi. It was a nice moonlit nicht when I went to sleep......Hard to get up and dressed, not enough room to do it inside. Got snow everywhere, and that was only a few cms. Also had a real windy night in it above twin valleys. The wind not only made everything from pack straps flap hard and loud, it also compressed everything when the gusts hit. Not much sleep that night. 700gms

    The Betamid (at grassy creek, below Sentry Box). Great when combined with the Bivi, though with a modern bag you may not need the Bivy? 700gms

    The Zoid. Light weight single, holds up to wind really well, dont know about snow loading, shes not too tall, you might go like those 4 boarders. 1.5kgs

    The Eurika Expedition (foreground), bombproof. Nearly 4kgs
     
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    t-w would be interested to see what you did for the snow baffles. Got a closeup ?
     
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    1 snow flap per segment of tent between peg loops, so for a Betamid there are 2 flaps per side and 1 each end.
    Cut each flap into a rectangle, 4 cm longer than the segment required and 34 cm wide.
    Hem each flap by turning over the edge 1 cm then turn over 1 cm again then straight sew.
    Now each flap is 30 cm wide and the exact length of the segment required.
    Sew each flap independently onto the inside of the base of each tent segment, so there is an overlap that won't allow rain inside.
    Use heavy duty thread available from sewing craft shops.
    Sew and be snug [​IMG] Easy
    [​IMG]
     
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    And one more to the mix. Sierra Designs: http://canada.sierradesigns.com/tents.display.php?id=780

    I use their single skin Assailant 1 tent. When I bought it 2 years ago it was the cheapest single skin one man tent on the market. It is still a current model an in at 1.7kg is nice and light and super easy to put up.

    It has survived "storm force" winds on Crummer Spur (115km per hour) with 3 people crammed inside it! I kid you not! as the other tents broke poles or blew away!

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnkazanas/3498301995/in/set-72157617571057947/

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnkazanas/2798000685/in/set-72157606958121199/

    Criticisms are it has poor head room and no vestibule, but at those dollars and at that weight it was worth the compromise at the time of buying.

    If you have the dollars BD tents are awesome as well and would have good resale value.

    John K.
     
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    Ta T-W. Anyone would think you used to do it professionally !
     
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    Out of curiousity - what sort of tents blew away??!!
     
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    One time just at Thredbo Diggings we got up to find tents in trees, lots of people in cars. Some of the tents I saw failed were the 3 pole tube type, and lots of those cheap domes. We were in bombproof tents. A couple of the failed tents looked like good ones.

    The wind booms towards you. The noise is incredible, you dont get much sleep. We lost a tent bag setting up. The type of wind that takes roofs off Huberts, and some other houses in Jindy. Not something that you really want to do.
     
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    I've still got the machines. [​IMG] I'm your's for a bottle of red. [​IMG]
    PM me, you know where to find me [​IMG]
     
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