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Discussion in 'Equipment' started by Schwarzer Mann, May 19, 2020 at 3:55 PM.

  1. Schwarzer Mann

    Schwarzer Mann Early Days

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    I am eager to give AT a good shot - like many others are, all of a sudden this year....

    My (limited) research suggests that my built (199cm,105kg) can be detrimental to finding adequate rental equipment and I want to make sure I am not blaming the tools.

    I am now thinking of getting new Salomon S/Lab Shift MNC and Armada Tracer 98 (18/19) combo, which I can get together for under $1k.

    I am usually sceptical of 'multitasking' gear, but I am also sceptical of spending $3k on something ultra specialised that I might use only ten times. Can someone recommend gear that will give me a decent intro to touring but that, should I end up not liking the whole touring thing, I could also could just keep using on the front of the mountain? Or is this a bad approach overall?
     
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  2. Annabuzzy

    Annabuzzy Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    That’s a great price! The bindings alone are worth $600-700 at least.
     
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  3. Schwarzer Mann

    Schwarzer Mann Early Days

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    I thought so. I can get them for roughly $500 (incl. shipping)
     
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  4. Annabuzzy

    Annabuzzy Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Just buy! At worst you can sell them at a profit.
     
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    Fozzie Bear One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    @Schwarzer Mann speak to Rythmn Snowsports in Cooma. They will be most likely to have gear that you can hire. My partner hired her AT gear the first season she tried it and they had excellent boots and skis fitted the Marker Kingpin bindings, which will cope with your size and skins. Give it a go and if you like it, think seriously about a proper light weight set up rather than a hybrid.
     
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  6. MattyHoll

    MattyHoll Hard Yards

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    Where are you getting the tracers and shifts for under 1k? I’m sure I’m not the only one wanting to know?? Also, have you already got boots with inserts in the toe for a tech binding?
     
  7. piolet

    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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    This, absolutely this
     
  8. BoofHead

    BoofHead One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Very good price. How long are the skis?
     
  9. Jacko4650

    Jacko4650 One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Wow! What a great price. I bought the shift bindings and the special boots for last season and found there is absolutely no issues with resort or downhill skiing. However, I made a mistake with the weight of the skis and all of my other gear, so the extent of my uphill was very limited last year, so trying again this year. There is no risk with your plans if the uphill is not your thing. Of course, you will need the tech pin boots (ouch) extendable poles, skins and if you listen to everyone here on these forums, about $17,000 worth of other gear - ice axe, crampons, avalanche beacon, Personal Locator Beacon, snow shovel, 2-way radio, probe, lightweight clothing, a medical kit and a specialised backpack to carry it all . . and lessons . . . and . . . all this just to walk up that nice looking hill over yonder.
     
  10. piolet

    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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    Ah come on

    you don’t need much at all, I once had alpine trekkers.
     
  11. BoofHead

    BoofHead One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Maybe next year or year after there will be heaps of lightly used AT gear to snap up on gumtree.
     
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  12. piolet

    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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    I hope so

    Anyone wanna buy some ~15yo alpine trekkers LOL
    jk I moved on pretty fast. You could really move on those as long as there's no side hilling
     
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  13. BoofHead

    BoofHead One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Killing some time so I thought I would calculate how much the main components of my current setup have cost me.

    Dynafit skis- 330. New
    Kingpins. - 550. New
    Scarpa Maestrale RS - 60. NWT
    TNF shell pants. 20. Used
    HH shell jacket. 100 NWT
    TNF midlayer. 120 NEW
    adj. poles. 50 used
    Skins. 180 NEW

    beac/shov/probe. + BD pack with avalung 500 new for the lot



    probably looking at 5-7k to replace the above if I had to purchase from scratch in a short period of time
     
  14. Swede

    Swede One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Haha nah, still have my 30 year or so old Secura-fix in the garage. Got me around the mountains in Cham for years. Sometimes people just need to put some concrete in their morning coffee and harden up ;)
    On a more serious note, if you need new skis anyway but not too sure what you wanna do touring wise in the long run or not planning on extremely long tours def go with the Shifts. On my last trip to Europe I took one set of skis with Shift bindings and loved the set-up. No problem on the ups and skis like a proper alpine binding. This way you could even just rent boots (if you don’t already have pintech boots) and skins and see if you like it, if not, no harm done.
     
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  15. Spence

    Spence One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Maths check? Bindings, pack, skis =$1380. Not meaning to be pedant.
     
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  16. Chaeron

    Chaeron A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    To state the obvious - the price of a single item can vary immensely - compounded by the value of an entire set-up.

    New, undiscounted in-store, at peak of season. End of season price, remaindered price, local online store without bricks & mortar overheads, ebay/ gumtree price, overseas bulk discounter at end of season prices, distributor bargains, ski forum generosity... never mind the fluctuating AUD.

    Opportunistic buys with ready cash and an eye for a bargain vs. top of the line impulse buying....

    As with all specialist gear in Oz BC pricing is impacted by our small market, limited competition given the reduced number of local retailers, and the necessarily small 2nd hand market.

    I always rationalise my purchases by arguing that I will use my gear over multiple seasons and that reduces the effective overall price. And I justify my upgrades by falsely arguing that I’m actually building an equipment stash for the entire family, not just myself.....

    And if all else fails and I need to convince the Minister of War and Finance of the indisputable urgency of a particular purchase I bring up the enhanced safety in the back country argument.....
     
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  17. Jacko4650

    Jacko4650 One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Ah, and don't forget to convince the Minister for Finance that there is a saving on mental health costs . . . . .
     
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  18. Annabuzzy

    Annabuzzy Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Going back to the OP, the cost of the set up seems to me to be a classic opportunistic buy. You can easily sell it for more than the purchase price if it doesn’t meet expectations.
     
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    Interruptedbyfireworks One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Also “it’s my responsibility to support local businesses at this trying time” is getting a good workout in my household
     
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  20. BoofHead

    BoofHead One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    My bad. Total amended.
     
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  21. BoofHead

    BoofHead One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Even my tight@$$ would be all over that.
     
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    Jacko4650 One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Agree!!!!
     
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  23. Spence

    Spence One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    I didn’t mean to be an arse. It is all great information. As someone who would like to give it a go this season, knowing that there are ways to start out relatively in expensively is of great interest and good to know. Cheers.
     
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  24. Schwarzer Mann

    Schwarzer Mann Early Days

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    I get them separately. The bindings from a shop in upstate NY I have never been to, but a friend from NYC is waiting out the shit-fight in the city. The Skis from evo. I can ship through work at a cost close enough to zero to make it not a consideration.

    I don't have the boots and all the other stuff, which is why I am asking here. I know there will be a fair amount of other stuff on top but I am trying to do it as cheaply as I can to try it properly. the boots are the biggest gamble, I guess.
     
  25. Schwarzer Mann

    Schwarzer Mann Early Days

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    Schwarzer Mann Early Days

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    I know there is some gear i need to add, I guess I'm trying to minimise risk. The boots are the main one, poles I can use either way etc. But yeah, ideally i want to stay under $16,500.......
     
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  27. Schwarzer Mann

    Schwarzer Mann Early Days

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    Thanks all for the help.
    I think I'll go ahead with this stuff and see how I go. Definitely sounds like I should make some calls to some shops locally too. I clearly go too much by what's online over what they actually have in the shop.

    I will probably have question on boots a little further down the line too ...
     
  28. Jacko4650

    Jacko4650 One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Boots are not so much a gamble either unless your existing boots are otherwise fine. Mine were nearing the end of their lifestage at the time of upgrade, so it was more an "incremental" cost to get the AT boots over a new pair of alpine boots.
     
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    Annabuzzy Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    And with the Shift you can use your existing alpine boots in bounds until you buy touring boots
     
  30. LaNeige

    LaNeige One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Gotta say that I'm a big fan of the Shifts, but people keep saying they ski just like a dedicated in bounds binding. No, they don't. They have considerably less elasticity than an in bounds binding which makes them prone to pre releases. Now this will not affect the vast majority of skiers only those who like to ski on edge or with a particularly loose style, you know like bouncing through moguls only half in control. To be fair this isn't most peoples prefered style, but if this is you, have a look at the Cast system, or just dial it back when your on your shifts.

    They also have a dumb way of setting the forward pressure, mind you this is the only dumb thing about the binding which is an engineering marvel. So unless you are into fiddling about with forward pressure get the shop to do it. Or if you're finding you're getting a lot of pre release take 'em into your friendly neighbourhood ski tech.

    And I agree with the others here, that setup for that price is a winner.

    As for boot, where are you? This forum is a goldmine of information about boot fitters.
     
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  31. Schwarzer Mann

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  32. Dumphfish

    Dumphfish Hard Yards

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    I think good quality AT second hand gear is probably the easiest and cheapest ski gear to buy, over here in Aotearoa at least. Lots of hopefuls buy and try without taking to it or never get up enough to justify having it lying around in the garage unused. Especially this time of year there are FB ski touring group members flogging off very good gear.
     
  33. LaNeige

    LaNeige One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Ah, not based in Sydney but I have heard good things about the boot fitter at Snowbound in Willoughby. Admittedly, that was from the owner of Snowbound so somewhat biased.

    Others based in Sydney would have a better feel for who's good.

    The best bit of advice I've heard about boot fitters is to get a recommended name and book in to see that person and that person only.
     
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    BoofHead One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    I’ve found that this applies to alpine gear as well in QLD. Last week, a pair of K2 sideshows+bindings for $50. I sent a mate off to grab them as they are a bit small for me and will mount some frame bindings for him.
    Last month, 2pair (his &hers) Nordica hot rods for $1.
     
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  35. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Do we need a $50.00 or less thread?;)

    I know of a couple of skiers who almost never spend more than $50.00 on any item of equipment.:cool::)
     
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    DPS Driver One of Us

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    If you're in Sydney, try Alpsport. They will be able to help you out with any AT gear and carry more than most other retailers in Sydney.