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AT Bindings

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by skifree, Aug 31, 2014.

  1. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    OK, bring me up to date.

    1. What AT Bindings are there currently available
    2. What is this model good for?
    3. What does a pair weigh in grams?
    4. How much should I pay for a new pair?
    5. Rating, comment, rave, notes.
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    Marker Duke
    Inbounds and side country. Cliff hucking and big burly lines. Perhaps not really a tour option.
    2790 grams / pair
    $350.00ish
    On the heavy side, need to take skis off to change mode (the mode change leaver is under the boot), burly & DIN 16 which is big for AT.
     
  2. expatgm

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    wildsnow.com is your friend, Also be honest about where and how much use you will get out of them to get the right set up. For example a 7 day Mission in Aoraki mt cook np would be best accomplished using a light weight ski mountaineering gear(think dynafit). Whereas a half day tour in the Doolans using a frame binding and alpine skis is equally acceptable. My opinion only.
     
  3. Untele-whippet

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    NTN Freedom or TTS ( you know Daffy needs to retire ) :evil:
     
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    nfip Cold n' Rusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Are these tech or AT @Tele -whippet
    Lighter weight AT being t10 or T12 ?
     
  5. Untele-whippet

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    nfip Cold n' Rusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    #6 nfip, Aug 31, 2014
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  7. Untele-whippet

    Untele-whippet beard stroker Ski Pass: Gold

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    Good selection and info on lotsa tech AT light weight units here
    http://skimo.co/bindings
    PS: good for getting replacements for broken toe or heel units ( they sell individual pieces)
     
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  8. nfip

    nfip Cold n' Rusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    hmm..No BC reporters are able to read, never mind write. Maybe I should have asked in a splitboard forum.
     
  10. Untele-whippet

    Untele-whippet beard stroker Ski Pass: Gold

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    We are not sheep in the paddock of obedience.
     
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    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    You may get better targeted info if you say what you are liking for. E.g. is mode change without taking off ski important? Are you more interested in touring or big lines?
     
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  13. Untele-whippet

    Untele-whippet beard stroker Ski Pass: Gold

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    Angus_McCrory Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    If you need training heela.... ie. not considering tele in its various forms..... then it is tech (Dynafit) or frame.

    If doing sidecountry and weight isn't important, then a frame binding (Marker Duke/Baron.Tou) or Salomon Guardian with alpine boot works just fine.

    When you are spending more than an hour on the up then tourability becomes important and the tech is the way forward.... but of course also needs and investment in tech compatible boots. Tourability equals light weight and elimination of Frankenstride. Anyone who has tried to tour in a frame binding will very soon know what Frankenstride is all about.

    FOr actual weights and reviews you cant go past wildsnow.com
     
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    Snow Blowey Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Another convert. Good to see more acknowledging the error of thier ways. Fix the heel - fix your problems.
     
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    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Boodwah A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Interesting weekend with Dynafit. Big fast GS turns on firm surface. Obviously applied too much torque and both toes released despite in maxi touring mode. Straps ripped buckles off boots and no brakes meant that a posse of snowboarders lounging around on their arses as they are inclined were lucky not to get a ski through the head. Another reason for helmets i suppose. Operation tomorrow to plate my smashed up thumb.
     
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    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Untele-whippet beard stroker Ski Pass: Gold

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    Bugger, good luck with the plating (do you know any good anaesthetists??)
     
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    nfip Cold n' Rusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Aaah the biz , gotta love it .
    I'm recovering from ACL , Daughter broke her arm last year and has concussion at the moment after big head knock last week .
    LOL
     
  21. dawooduck

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    The issue I have is that I have lovely new boots that will “walk mode” with the top buckle loose. (Full Tilt)

    I see that the CAST system allows tech binding toes to be retro fitted. That is interesting.

    But ... see Boodwahs post about toe release on the tech bindings.
     
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  22. sbm

    sbm One of Us

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    I could never ever ever go back to a frame binding. I've seen the light and light is right - Dynafit forever.

    Barons Dukes etc might be ok for places where you can ski off the back of the resort to the bottom of a valley and just have to walk out to a road. But if there is any uphill involved, hell you might as well snowshoe.

    Of course, they are specialist equipment and they aren't racing bindings - GS turns, really? But you don't have to baby them.
     
  23. Telemark Phat

    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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  24. piolet

    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yeah dynafits feel so nice and locked in compared to my old freerides which I havent skied much since popping out whilst jump turning down some half ass couloir in heavyish snot in brevant, easy to get confident on the techs :D
     
  25. telenomore

    telenomore One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Uumm. Or just learn to ski. There is no need to lock down heels to parallel. For goodness sake you can parallel on light weight skating skis! Sorry guys but modern tele set ups give you the best of both worlds. Freedom to telemark, quick to climb back up if needed, and with modern tele boots, and bindings, parallel turning is not about locking down heels. The mantra is and always has been: unwieght-pivot-pressure. The mantra has never been: push your heels sideways!!!

    The only time I feel a lock down set up is an advantage is at very high speed on very rough terrain. You have greater stability as less chance of pitching forward. I could rant all day on this topic but it is not what the OP had in mind so I'll stop now, well, just, one other thing before I do. Kick and glide. Travel fast through this great backcountry we have and ski down anything. Ok ok I'll get off it. I would suggest though that if anyone is interested, a BC gathering to look at and try and learn about different gear and different techniques. We might just have the spring condition for it this year. Anyone??
     
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  26. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    What vivid imaginations we have here. The interest in AT is not actually mine at all. In fact it has never occured to me to quit tele and join the NTN or Alpine crowd.

    But plenty of folk talk to me at about AT kit I refer them to this forum. Which they do then give the feedback that they found some useful stuff but was there a better summary of where AT bindings were at than the somwhat rambling threads. So rather than trawel about and make a suammry list myself I thought why not harness the helpfulness (poor foolish me) of the BC forum folks as they have a broad range of bindings and experience and research up there sleeves.

    Alas, a waste of time and people being distracted by being sheep. Which is odd as I am sure most BC folk are the opposite of sheep in that amost no 2 tele or AT rigs will be the same.

    Good thing I did not ask about skis.
     
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    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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  29. Majikthise

    Majikthise Sage Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Just to distract from the OP further...and what would the BC forum be without the odd side excursion.
    Wrt crap knees...I figure the up/down of tele in one plane has to be preferable to the torsion otherwise? If you can bend your knee and get up again being the only requirement.
    Back to the OP what about separate threads for different steps..Eg product x experience and reviews?
    Also thread requires more titanium, and sporks or giraffe references.
     
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  30. PiniPowPow

    PiniPowPow One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    There are actually some nice new tech models with elastic travel coming out. Both Fritchi and G3 have recently released their options but the big one that there is some hype about is a Marker tech binding. Apparently the media embargo ends on 1 Sep US time so expect some news soon!

    Once these binding have their first year jitters ironed out I would expect them to make a large dent into the frame and traditional tech bindings market. Elastic travel would make the ride a lot smoother and add some wiggle room for resort bashing.
     
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  31. CarveMan

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    That's my concern at the moment. I'll be able to get my hands on the G3 and Marker Stuff but wondering if I should take them out somewhere remote straight off the bat....
     
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    PiniPowPow One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    1st of Sep here @CarveMan Got any pics for us?
     
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    CarveMan Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    No I know nothing apart from when I heard the rumour about the Marker Tech binding it was confirmed that it was coming.

    I suggest Wildsnow tomorrow is the place to look. I had hoped to have some G3 Ions by now but apparently they have a bit of a delay.
     
  34. Snow Blowey

    Snow Blowey Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    OK. This is getting like an users meeting now for tele'ers trying to give up the gear. We all know about your problem. We have the solution. You just need to be more accepting of it.
     
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  35. Angus_McCrory

    Angus_McCrory Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Didn't mind the G3 Onyx but the toe piece was a bit of a PITA... so I swapped the Onyx for Dynafit TLT Verticals on my DPS Wailer 105 Pures...

    Also interested in the new offerings but likewise will be happy to see a year in use to iron out any bugs.... plus need new skis to justify new bindings....

    And seriously thinking about offloading all of my alpine gear as I can't realistically see where I will using it again (especially as it has been 4 years since I ran any gates)
     
  36. piolet

    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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    Maybe that would've been a better way to solicit the info wanted? some background and detail to the request as opposed to this?


    and @Majikthise i've had a physio tell me that tele *can* sometimes be better as your thighs take the shock as opposed to knees. But i dunno.
     
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  37. Telemark Phat

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    Tele is the best addiction.
     
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    Nice skifree. I currently use the (now long superseded) Fritschi Diamir Titanal II. They are fine, if unexciting. Real easy to change from walk/ski though, and to change the climbing bar height - all can be done with a stock, while on the move. I have maybe 100 days on them (including resort) and they've not put a foot wrong.

    I have bought some Tech bindings - Dynafit Speed Turn. Looking to lose weight as I gain age and wisdom. Yet to fit so no report to give.
    1. What AT Bindings are there currently available; egads, too many. They seem mainly trying to capture the US market of 'we want tech, but are afraid it looks weeny so are adding extra gumph with better colours'.
    2. What is this model good for? http://www.dynafit.com/product/bindings/speed-turn - basic, workhorse, stable of the fleet.
    3. What does a pair weigh in grams? advertised at 660g/pair. on the scales at home around 700g/pair
    4. How much should I pay for a new pair? sub $300 delivered, e.g.: this
    5. Rating, comment, rave, notes. - no brakes. comes with clips/leash.
     
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    The New Marker pin binding will be called the "KingPin" carrying on with the royal lineage and as luck would have it, it works perfectly. The name that is and hopefully the binding.
    Experience with the Onyx not great which inhibits looking at their new offering. I have a soft spot for Fritschi but ....
    The Marker seems to be what I've been chasing for years as I've never been a fan of the heel pin set up. I love being locked and loaded on the downhill and I love tech fittings on the toes.
    Happy with the direction these manufacturers are heading.
     
  40. dawooduck

    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    I might sit back and wait a few months

    ABS = don't buy as battery fan models coming out
    Tech = don't buy as new techi hybrid spawn stuff coming out
    Skis .... em mar gorrd matey just pick some shizzle with a nice mizzle
    Skins = NGAF

    gheyest sport ever .........

    :eek:
     
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    Interesting point, but I'm a little confused by your username!?
     
  42. piolet

    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yeah the fan packs are very interesting. But you should jump on that dynafit deal climberman posted; if u dont want brakes its a sweeeeet deal. Can u retro brakes on?
     
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    telenomore One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    ha ha.Yes, came about as a result of camp fire discussions. I love to tele but tele is only a small part of skiing. Again I know off topic, but tele as a religion is not my thing, just one skill in the quiver, hence the name, plus, my legs are getting old!
     
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    sbm One of Us

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    Sometimes I get intrusive thoughts like, if the entire ski industry disappeared in a puff of smoke overnight, and we had to go back to walking uphill to use homemade wooden skis, it would actually be a huge step forward for the sport and everyone would have way more fun for much less money.
     
  45. dawooduck

    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    Don't have Dyafit boots and won't be buying them anytime soon.
     
  46. dawooduck

    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    I still have a Volk Alpinist setup from 1985 sitting in the garage in Jindy. Original frame bindings. Ex Guthega ski hire and done at least a dozen trips to Tate environs.

    But yeh, I mean I telemarked with leather and heal locators on what would pass for bumps skis these days.

    Its a f ing minefield of kit whores and cheque books. I dunno how anyone ski bums these days.
     
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    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    In fact you can't do a proper parallel with free heels. You can't lean forward at turn initiation (your heels come up) so you end up as they say 'in the back seat'.
     
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    Majikthise Sage Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    As someone who has 1/3 of an ACL i can verify this.
     
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    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    Maybe you can't ;)
     
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    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    I've found similar too.