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Discussion in 'Systems & Events' started by Stillcold, Nov 10, 2019.
and if you're having a really bad day, another tree will come down behind you.
Sounding like we need a proper thread for this event, but not sure the title of this one suits it. Do mods want to change it or should we start a new one?
doesn't get much worse than that
Well we do have a fire weather thread in weather...
I think the humidity is the worst part. Did someone say 8%? That's scary.
If a major fire, I don't think the general fire thread is adequate.
Yeah its showing at 9% at 1pm here at my place tomorrow.
With winds 75-90kmph.
I've changed the thread title for now, please let me know if anyone's feelings are impacted by the relabelling.
just read that they are upgrading it to worst than catastrophic due to changing/worsening weather conditions.
Seem like they need a new category :-(
@Donzah i feel like there was a more recent illawarra threat than 50 years ago? Maybe the same-ish timing at the 1994 blue mountains?
@kylep what is the advice vs staying and fighting or leaving? I remember in 1994 it was stay and fight...
althought granted don't think i would - like up thread, important docs animals and get out. homes are insured.
When conditions are catastrophic, it's best to leave. You can fight fires in milder conditions. In 'catastrophic', you can't. Just get the hell out of there.
Helensburgh copped it in the early 2000s on Xmas day. Fire burnt across from Campbeltown way. 2001 i think.
Yes that sounds right timing.
My sister worked (not as a RFS or anything) and didn't have much protective gear, during the 1994 and 2000 fires that were seemingly close to home. and reminded us the danger her work was putting her in at the time.
Illawarra . No not really.
1994 was worst in the RNP and southern burbs of sydney.
We've been cutoff before . However no fire impacted the urban area.
In 1968 . The fire burnt down Bulli pass. Well into Thirroul.
Also Cordeaux and Farmborough heights.
I have mates who have places that back onto bush
They are very complacent.
Maybe nothing will happen. However i'm worried about fires starting on the Freeway/Maddens plains etc
You were spot on then Teckel I remember it very well, anyone can have an opinion or use overstated or understated language. The facts that underpinned your call were inalienable. The fire index was off the charts , record temps dryness and record low humidity combined with strong and shifting winds. The people that put out these warnings are driven by scientific fact not politics or religion.
i think the OP and title was perfect...... cynical and managed to dismiss state govt. warnings and boomers in one go.
my grandmother is in thirroul and agaisnt the escarpment. She is not complacent.
however also one of those people who you say "we had well over 1000mm of rain in an hour, and thirroul got more!
hell i would prefer to leave and not need to, than not get a warning!
FYI all, this is not a direct warning to anyone - more a line in the sand - but given the potential nature of discussion in this thread to get heated (no pun intended) and political - if you feel the need to do so, please take it to the Bear Pit. You can probably rely on anything political in this thread getting reported and deleted.
The amount of dumb i'm seeing on the FB socials is off the chart.
"i've been here ten years and i've never seen a fire" type of thing
You're not seeing the half of it. Messages to our page. Wow.
totally unrelated....but it always amazes me just how many people have connections to thirroul.
i work with 11 others......no where near the south coast......2 of us went to thirroul public/bulli high
How much room does a fire need to build up to full intensity? I have a reserve 200 metres away (with a couple of streets of houses in between). The reserve is about 700 metres wide. I have always thought that is not enough distance for anything serious to happen but I have never known. This reserve also has areas of tidal wetland so I doubt I have much to worry about.
This is incredible.
I can imagine
apart from anything else,if the advice is to leave early you can't expect staff to put their job ahead of their(and their family's) safety
do they have a similar one for nursing homes? i would much rather have to try to evacuate a school than a nursing home!!
The amount and breadth of schools
Thats a huge area of schools
i would think that there would still have to be staff present at the school.....not all kids will get the 'memo'....
Whether or not schools operate tomorrow depends on several things - not just if the school is in a fire path or high fire danger area. Other considerations are the location of the school - if there was a fire in the area would kids be able to get home? Imagine a bus full of school kids being caught up in a fire on the way home from school or the panic caused by parents not able to reach the school to pick up their kids. If a school only has 1 or 2 exit paths the fire/emergency plan is often to preempt and shutdown.
Given what i witnessed in 2013 this is a good call. I never want to experience that degree of panic again. The fire threat i can deal with , and make calculated informed decisions about. Mob frenzy not so much.
Nah my yoga teacher said it's ok
She told me to plant lavander in the gutters to ward off chargoals
Of the schools I know on that list, some are deservedly there, others are a serious over reaction.
My office will be deserted tomorrow, maybe a handful under real threat but the rest will be looking after their kids.
I’m somewhat cynical - I know it can get bad quickly, and probably will in many places. But I’m seeing overreaction in my neck of the woods - serious residential areas between bush and schools that are closed.
Of course the best outcome is nothing happens and the worst is dealing with all the whiners
And one - Bobin - is already gone.
St Pauls on north head....
North Head has burnt before.
Yeah I wouldn't have thought that was an overreaction.
Even if it is, it's about using your resources in the most efficient manner, and if you can not have to worry about kids around North Head...
Only 18mths ago, not a huge amount of material up there currently.
Sent some cajoling messages to persuade a relative to come down from Blackheath (Blue Mountains) and stay with us in Sydney. They're coming down tomorrow morning. They don't own a car, it's horrible to think about the nightmare scenario of them stuck in town with the train line shut and the only road in and out of town blocked.
Hope and best wishes to everyone.
Interestingly, the conservation biologists in charge of the bandicoot population that lives at north head are not particularly worried about the bushfire threat to north head, seems strange hey?
What can they do, evacuate the bandicoots?
No haha, this is a valid point, but they may have made some preparation to prepare for it. I mentioned it to one of the post graduate researchers, and they specifically said they don't backburn that area because they didn't want to risk the population and that any bushfire threat there would be swiftly taken care of. I feel like the left hand isn't talking to the right hand.
But it might be because x amount of teachers need to stay home...
Not enough staff for kids to be cared for.
BAL levels are all known prior to building so it's at the settlers risk to build. The vast majority of people building in high risk fire areas complain no end about building to the BAL code.
It's not greenies, it law for all based on codes written based on prior events and investigated outcomes.
I am surprised my CBD office hasn't just suggested people stay home if they want. just cause... (ie home may be under threat, or kids school etc. )
Its a quiet week in the office this week, (for various reason) seems to just be easier to say "stay home" (we ALL have laptop)
each bandicoot has been given a pair of teeny tiny little floaties.....they can swim out.
Yeah that was my thought
Maybe some schools have teachers that don't know where they'll be too
Not due back from Jindy until wed, stay safe people.
Incredible that they say "several" in their headline notice.