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Trip Report Austria - Saalbach Hinterglemm, Gerlos, Bad Hofgastein

Discussion in 'Europe' started by DidSurfNowSki, Jan 7, 2018.

  1. Heinz

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    There is a fair bit of regional variation in these. The Salzburger Kasnockn above is pretty much Spätzle while I found the Osttiroler Kasnockn was quite different.
     
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    Just skied a half day today at Dorfgastein. A weather change is coming through tomorrow so I might grab an afternoon nap, a sauna and a dip in the thermal pool :)

    Some happy snaps I took today. On the bus.



    Above the morning fog



    It was pretty difficult getting excited about the boilerplate, a quick break was needed



    Skiing down to GroBarl, good off-piste potential down low next to the gondola



    Another day, another mountain hut, The Canberra Centre foodcourt will look very tame in comparison next week.

     
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    DidSurfNowSki One of them Ski Pass: Gold

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    #4dayrule

    Yeah Nah Bad Hofgastein



    GFS



    :woohoo:
     
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    Heinz Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Note that the ß in Großarl represents a double s rather than a B. ß is an old German symbol that is meant to represent a sharp s or sz but is usually interchangable with ss. Wiki
    I think these days ss is used more reguarly in preference to ß. I think there are meant to be rules about when ß should be used but I have no idea what they are.
    Someone had a go here: https://www.thoughtco.com/when-to-use-s-ss-1445262

    eg. if you look at the resort web you will see both used but more often ss.
    https://www.grossarltal.info/
     
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    Ive booked you in for Ski Fit next Thursday! Figure you should be fighting fit....
     
  6. person s

    person s Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    when I did German at school, we were told that the Eszett was one the way out
    I left school in 1970, so it should be gone by now LOL
     
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    Dont forget to roll your Rs . Trotzdem is a good test.
     
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    person s Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I did French and German at school, so I had to do the r-rolling two different ways
    now I sing in a choir and we r-roll the German way
     
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    LOLLOLLOL
     
  10. DidSurfNowSki

    DidSurfNowSki One of them Ski Pass: Gold

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    Look like ❄️ is on its way :)

     
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    Kletterer Thredbo Doughnut Tragic Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Thats piste # 11 Stubnerkogerl on the left.
     
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    DidSurfNowSki One of them Ski Pass: Gold

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    Can confirm:
    • It's snowing heavily at Bad Hofgastein
    • The mist and fog has also rolled in
    • Snow is settling on my balcony
    • The beer I am drinking is cold
    • All my ski gear is wet
    • Heated towel rails are great
    • Today's final descent was done in white out conditions, I followed a conga line of skiers on the way down
    • Tomorrow is going to be interesting
    You can see I found a little hidey hole today, complete with mountain hut for lunch :)





    My own private ski run for the day

     
  13. Kletterer

    Kletterer Thredbo Doughnut Tragic Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    The T Bar near Stubneralm hut.
     
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    DidSurfNowSki One of them Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yep, definitely snowed last night.



    Visibility doesn’t look great with a lot of low cloud. Time for breakfast.
     
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    Looks chokas out there. Get amongst it bro.
     
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    Yep, today is going to be interesting

     
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    Have a good day at Dorfgastein mate.
     
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    Especially for the bloke who's having a morning dip!! :eek: LOL
     
  19. DidSurfNowSki

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    What an excellent day ! You know it's going to be good when you can't sit down at the bus station.



    The visibility looked pretty average on the cams, so I consulted for some local knowledge. Dorfgastein was the pick of the bunch for some tree skiing.

    The top of the gondola was initially closed due to 'wind', but all the chairs on the Dorfgastein side were running. Yes I did ski under the chairs :)



    The pow was thigh deep and I found fresh tracks all day.



    Unfortunately I have picked up some bad habits in Austria... skiing under the avi barriers :oops:



    Light snow fell all day, an extra layer was needed and you had to rug up.


    In some places the snow was spraying up chest high. After such an excellent session, I don't feel the need for a quick ski before tomorrow's train trip to Munich. Today was really good. So much powder.
     
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    Nice work . Good depth for your last day= :D
     
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    Have a safe journey back buddy. I got SDS bad already :(
     
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    In Munich. Crazy busy.




     
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    great place
    I note that it’s a bit warmer there than last year
    it got down below -10° while I was there
     
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    Currently chilling at the Munich airport



    Lots of serious looking skiers here, maybe heading over for the Olympics ?



    The airport police were very busy checking all the people carrying guns, lots of fit looking biathletes!
     
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    End of Trip Thoughts

    Here's a few random end of trip thoughts to round things out.

    Skiing With @Kletterer

    Skiing with someone with local knowledge and could speak the local dialect was fantastic. It made for some great skiing and dinners listening to 'Swiss Jazz' of all things. Thanks mate !

    Food

    The food was excellent. I really enjoyed the kasnockn, schnitzels and strudels. There's a few pounds I now need to work off between now and June :)

    Water

    Can be found everywhere except to drink. Austrians for some unknown reason don't appear to drink water. Adults drink beer in 0.5L amounts, and children drink a carbonated reddish cordial mixture. I drank lots of sparkling apple drink. The Fanta you get here is actually rather drinkable as well, it's totally different from Fanta we get in Oz.

    Getting Around

    The Austrian transport system is excellent. A lot of snow fell on this trip. All roads and paths were quickly cleared of snow and any snow that wasn't in the correct spot was gathered up and deposited into a river. The trains and buses all ran on time. Some of the ski buses, however, ran infrequently so you had to keep an eye on the schedule. I had no issues at all with the transport in Austria.

    The Skiing

    Varied between great and totally awesome. There was a really nice base and the temps co-operated all trip. We got a tiny bit of sleet one evening in Gerlos, but the rest fell as lovely fat flakes. We were blessed this trip with fresh snow at each of the resorts we visited. The fresh snow in Austrian that we skied was light, dry and fluffy. I had only previously skied fresh snow, but not the thigh deep powder snow we got.

    @Kletterer really pushed my skiing ability in the first 3 weeks. I fell over heaps in the pow. What was really good for me was to go out to Sportgastein on a clear day and have uninterrupted runs of ~700 vertical meters to work on technique. Then when the heavens opened up for the last couple of days for the trip I was actively searching the pow to go smash it. A couple of times I hit some harder bumps under foot and went flying, but in the powder snow cushioned the falls.

    Between pow days the boilerplate was boilerplate and short turns were needed.

    The Terrain

    Lots and lots and lots of terrain. Saalbach was huge, the Zillertal arena was huge and Gastein was 3 large resorts interlinked by buses. So much skiable terrain. And to think my season pass covers 21 different regions and I only managed to ski 3 of them in a month.

    Also, there is so much lift accessible off piste runs in Austria.

    Snowboarders and Telemark Skiers

    From what I saw, Austrians mainly ski on alpine skis and can also XC ski. There were hardly any snowboarders and telemark skiers were rarer again. The Austrians don't mind XC skiing and no-one bats an eyelid anyone climbing up the side of a groomed piste on XC skis.

    Gondolas, Chairs and T-Bars

    The Austrians don't mind a gondola or 20 in their resorts. They were everywhere. Also high speed 6 and 8 seat chairs were prevalent. Lastly the few T-Bar lifts they had could double as battering rams, so solid. All the T-Bars were self loading too.

    Female Austrian Skiers

    Are beautiful, slim and wear close hugging ski pants. They also ski a lot faster than me on the piste.

    Male Austrian Skiers

    Are very skilled and crazy fast on piste.

    Smith IO Chromapop Goggles

    One day at Perisher when I was sitting down drinking a Brunelli's coffee watching the snow come in sideways, the conversation focused on how ski goggles had improved in poor light. On this trip I purchased a new set of Smith IO Chromapops and had the nice lady at the store fit the low vis lens. Can confirm it made a big difference with the quality of the lens and anti-fogging ability.

    Dyson Handdryers

    Are wonderful for drying off wet gloves and goggles ! Should be mandatory in every ski resort washroom !

    Austrian TV

    I didn't come across any English speaking FTA TV, but I did watch quite a bit of sport. Austrians watch downhill skiing, slalom skiing, ski jumping, XC skiing and oddly enough handball...

    4 Star Luxury

    4 star luxury in Austria means heated boot rooms that work (1st time for me ever!), heated pools, spas, saunas, serviced rooms, tvs tuned to the snow cams, fantastic breakfasts and dinner too if you go full board. It'll be tough going to sleep in the back of the Jazz/tenting for our season again :p

    and lastly to finish on...

    Snow Tires

    Are mandatory in Austria during the cooler months !!! :D
     
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    Nice summary . Was great to hang out with and ski with someone where we were both on the same page. Never a hint of drama. Skiing off piste pow can be intimidating for those that have not spent lots of time in the saddle. @DidSurfNowSki followed me into most of the spots i wanted to drop into. This included some quite steep pitches in poor weather/ vis - Hochalm, Zwolferkogl. :thumbs: You stepped up to the plate bro. Was interesting to try a new area as well- Zillertal Arena. Skiing the Gerlos- Plattenkogl was a nostalgia trip as this was where my mother first learnt to ski circa 1950. Hopefully our TR can be of help to others considering visiting these areas. Happy to provide advise for anyone requiring tips/info. Oh and the turning point was Pumpkin Soup.
     
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    Excellent summary. Detailed but well laid out and easy to read. Something someone in another thread would do well to take note of.
     
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    Great report - thanks.
    I'm looking forward to this coming January - hoping for just decent conditions. To expect another year like this one would be naive.
    The thing that worries me is the 'no drinkable water' situation. I drink lots of water during the day. If I bring a water bottle are there places to fill it generally speaking? Can you not purchase still water in cafes and convenience stores?
    This is a serious thing to me. I don't do soft drink and only drink beer after 5pm (very willingly). If water is so hard to find I'm thinking I'll be going back to Canada or off to Japan which would be a huge disappointment as I've invested much planning time on Europe.
    Is Italy and France the same as far as finding drinkable water is concerned?
     
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    Plenty of different types of water in the supermarkets and cafes/ restaurants.
     
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    Phew. Happy again now.
     
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    The bier shelves are however more prolific .
     
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    Thanks heaps guys, have enjoyed following this thread and its certainly got us thinking about visiting Austria and return to my wife's motherland
     
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    Are their places to fill water bottles and Camelbacks and the like? (Water fountains in public areas and ski resorts)?
     
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    I generally fill mine in the morning from water I've boiled overnight, or less often from a bottle that I've bought
    if I run out during the day I buy a bottle and empty it into the camel
    with a 3 litre reservoir that doesn't happen often
    my medical advice is that 1200-1500 ml per day is all I need - what's your target intake?
     
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    I don't have a target as such. I just like to be very well hydrated all day especially after drinking alcohol the night before and even more coupling that with being at altitude.
    I think I drink about 2 litres through the day after having and initial gut full after I wake each morning.
    Is the tap water in Europe not drinkable without boiling it?
     
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    I drink it very often in Austria. Not a problem.
     
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    Great. If I'm dropping $15000/$20000 on a trip first world is my preference. :)
     
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    Great wrap up DSNS. :thumbs: Cant wait until we arrive in 2 and a bit weeks.
     
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    I boil it when I’m in Jindy too
     
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    I'm in northern Italia at present.

    Am drinking, showering & even swimming in water straight from tap.... surprisingly, have not even turned into a vampire or a werewolf?
     
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    This needs clarifying. I think @DidSurfNowSki is just referring to the fact that bottled water isn't sold as ubiquitously as in anglo countries. All supermarkets and restaurants and cafes offer still and sparkling though.

    I don't think I've ever been in a ski resort where the water wasn't drinkable straight out of the taps. Mountain water is famously great. I fill my camelbak straight from the bathroom tap every morning. Never had an issue. Situation is different in restrooms though. Bars want you to pay 3-7 EUR for a bottle of water, which is annoying esp for someone like me who matches beer with water 1:1 in order to feel good the next day for riding.

    Can @Kletterer and @DidSurfNowSki add further detail?
     
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    My remark was tongue in cheek, the Austrians don't put out water to drink like they do here in Oz. They drink beer instead. LOL

    That said, there's nothing wrong with water out of the taps and each shop sells many varieties of bottled water. Just don't expect jugs of water and water fountains around the place. Often you need to buy something first in an Austrian mountain hut, eg a cup of coffee, before they'll give you a glass of water.
     
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    Yeah its bloody annoying that Euro bars still rip you on water. I noticed when I was back in Sydney at Aus, how every pub has jugs of water on the bar with glasses to help yourself. You guys probably take it for granted and don't notice.

    Interestingly, there are some vague EU laws that stipulate that an establishment cannot refuse to provide a glass of drinkable water if asked, but its a murky area and not as well thrashed out as the Aussie legislation. Give it 10 years....
     
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    same law here, I think
     
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    Over 19 500 views :eek: Must have hit some raw nerves .
     
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    It's over 20K !
     
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    I think a vampire has to bite you, or you look through a window at a full moon
    I might have made that up
     
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    how do you find that figure?
    well deserved - a very entertaining trip report
    nice photos
    it’s Austria with Munich as a chaser so almost guaranteed to be great
     
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