Avalanche training for NSW and VIC 2018

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  1. firstlight

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    Hi everyone
    We have releasing the dates for the Avalanche Canada "Avalanche Skills Training Level 1" courses.

    NSW
    Courses will be based on the Main Range
    Classroom at the Jindabyne Bowling Club

    VIC
    Courses will be based out of Falls Creek
    Classroom at Howmans Gap Alpine Center
    There are accom options at Howmans gap (PM me and ill send it through)
    Click here for more info
    http://www.snowsafety.com.au/avalanche-safety-training-level-1.html

    If you have any questions you can contact via the below phone number

    Thanks

    Adam West
    0402785464
    snowsafety.com.au
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  2. Whatever really

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    Any chance of a level 2 in Vic this year?
    I’ve done a MSC Avalanche awareness Course Would I need to do a level 1 Avalanche Canada to do a level 2?
     
  3. firstlight

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    @Whatever really you need to have done the Avalanche Canada AST 1 to be able to do the AST 2. We can do 1/2 day training for AIARE student to get them to the Avalanche Canada Level 1 equivalent. There is no cross over from the NZ course at this stage from Avalanche Canada.
    Thanks
    Adam
     
  4. Allforoneoneforall

    Allforoneoneforall First Runs

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    I need this... Hopefully don't sell out the courses I'll need to do mine in Vic.can't wait!
     
  5. LDJ

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    I’m already booked for NSW in 11th & 12th August looking forward to it
     
  6. DPS Driver

    DPS Driver One of Us

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    It would be good we have a unified avalanche training curriculum globally. With the proliferation of courses out there nowadays the level of skills being taught vary greatly, however the course name or level sounds the same.

    Example:
    • AST1 and AIARE level 1 are recreational courses over two days maybe three for some AIARE courses, low ebd awareness courses.
    • NZMGA Stage 1 is a 6.5 day entry level professional avalanche worker course.
    • AST2 & AIARE level 2 are recreational 3 day courses still with lower curriculum level than the NZMGA Stage 1.
    • The CAA Operations Level 1 course is equivilent to the NZMGA Stage 1.
    Then we go onto professional courses.

    It's a mine field. Awareness is better than nothing but it would be a darn sight easier if the courses and curriculums or even the course names were clear as to recreational versus professional etc.

    Just my 2 cents worth. have fun out there and learn as much as you can.
     
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  7. oreo

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    Impossible to get the Americans to agree on a standard just for America, let alone getting them to agree on an international curriculum.

    It’s essentially only an issue in outliers anyway. The vast majority of people who take AST or CAA courses are Canadian and the system flows easily there. The same with NZ recreational (awareness and backcountry courses)/ professional courses (stage 1/2).

    In America, it’s more complicated with so many curriculum providers, though they are ‘trying’ to get together on the pro/recreational split of training which they’re bringing in. But again, the majority of people taking these courses are Americans in America.

    But the outliers here are the international (Australian) providers who provide a mix of international curriculums in non-native countries. I agree, the majority of people on the outliers have zero idea how the different courses fit together.
     
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  8. DPS Driver

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    Yep agree.

    I remember speaking to a guy who had a done a 2 day course and he was emphatic that it was of the same standard as the NZ Stage 1 professional. Yep it's an AST1. He wouldn't be told differently.

    The NZ Stage 1 you're doing 14 hour days for 6.5 days with a mix of mountain and classroom and some days pure classroom based. To be honest the course should be longer to fit it all in. But hard to get people to commit that time.

    Awareness is one thing but in depth snow study is another.

    I sometimes wonder if with the shorter rec courses if we're creating a problem or fixing one. Some awareness must be better than none. I hope.
     
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    Telemark Phat Pass the butter
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    Dunning Krueger says a problem is being created. Don't the stats also say something similar?
     
  10. DPS Driver

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    Dunning Kruger effect at work for sure.

    Yes they do but I believe at this stage there is some argument around qualifying the stats due to the massive increase in back country travel, some are arguing the ratio is not too different. I've not kept abreast of things of late. That argument as far as I'm concerned is total BS. More BC traveller = greater risk and opportunity for accidents. End of story but I'm not a mathematician so what would I know.
     
  11. nfip

    nfip Part of the Furniture
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    I did a 2 day AST1 few years back now.
    My biggest take home from that was that I then "knew that I didn't know" ( Tremper).
    i.e it raised more questions than it answered.
    others I agree it may provide false sense of confidence .
    depends too on the Instructor and their own experience and abilities to convey the right messages (not just cash in and print out a Certifcate on a colour printer.)
     
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  12. firstlight

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    nfip Part of the Furniture
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    I have a question.
    What happened to MRBC that was running these courses the last few years ? .
    I'm trying to get in touch to book in Avi courses for our crew & bc tours that has been recommended to me and it comes up with a snow safety ?
    I saw fb posts from " snow safety " the other day and then multiple likes of Adam West / first light split / first light surf for same post.
    3 separate alias ....?? ?
    Seems a bit odd, on my radar .
     
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  14. firstlight

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    Mate we have had a name change and a change of partners.
    Business as usual. Let me know if you need any more info.

    Cheers
    Adam
     
  15. nfip

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    Thx Adam,
    A few of the boys got in touch with me today.
    Told me about the "change ".
    Interesting , to say the very least.
    I'll best leave it at that.
     
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