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Discussion in 'Snow Talk' started by despot721, Jul 19, 2015.
As rod and i say....
Tell em the price son.
Pssst. $106 Drive away.
Its a lot, but its our long term car. plan on keeping for 10 years. and knowing it will still be up to date, and better in 10 years, along with the brutal performance of cars double its price, we are happy with it. though saving for it has cost me my season passes for the last 2 years.
I have a 2008 Forester and changed over to Potenzas last year and they went pretty well in the snow last year but I am going back to Yokohama A/T this season as I was really nervous last year on the summer tyres. I will sell the old Potenzas as they have only done a few 1000K in about 12 months.
Do you need winter tyres even though you have 4WD? It’s the debate that is as old as time.
No transmission system or electronic controls are an alternative for snow tyres.
In the winter, four-wheel drive can help get your vehicle going, but it won’t help when trying to stop.
There’s only one way to increase that level of wintertime grip, and it’s by adding snow tyres.
This video highlights the limitations of some AWDs.
Good move, I had potenzas all last year on my 2000 forester and the drive up and back on snowy days and nights were a handful, never again. I felt like a rally driver sometimes.
The thing with NSW is that AWD/4WD gives you a free pass on fitting chains - as we all know a FWD with snowtyres is vastly better than an AWD without, but in NSW the FWD with snowtyres would be forced to fit chains.
If I wasn’t forced would I even fit chains in 2wd?
That’s the question!
Oh hello New Car!!!
Yep! Joined the VW family! You guys, Tambazz, and @billykate (ie all the cool kids!)
My folks have a Tiguan. Great car. Vanity plates are a laugh “MY TIG1”
Best check the clearance, front tyres to front suspension, of any new VW Tiguan fitted with 18" wheels if you need to fit snow chains.
Check the owners manual as VW only approve the fitting of snow chains to 2019 Tiguan if it is fitted with 215/65 R 17 tyres on 17" wheels.
When the 2019 Tiguan is fitted with 235/55 R 18, 235/50 R 19 or 255/40 R 20 there is insufficient clearance to fit snow chains
Never miss an opportunity
I’m pretty sure my bro had this problem! I haven’t checked my new car... hope it’s alright
Snowtyres makes a valid point in relation to the VW Tiguan as people buy these vehicles with the expectation of driving in the snow with them and can be disappointed/annoyed/p155ed off when they find out later they can’t fit chains
If 17” wheels clear the brake calipers, the brakes must look pretty piss weak behind 20's. Why would you? If you want a car with 20" wheels, buy a ****ing sportscar, not an AWD. What a wank!
Yes you need to have ability to gets some chains on the back to deal with those obstacles on a snow trip.
Not required. I'm in NSW and if the snow is ever that good I will ride the skitube!
Agreed. Except she's in NSW, where they're rarely required on AWD/4WD.
Current Konig & Rud snow chain manufacturers warranty does not cover any snow chains that are used on a vehicle that is fitted with wheels, tyres or a wheel/tyre combination, that are not approved to be fitted snow chains by the vehicle manufacturer.
Before purchasing snow chains, it is best read, & follow, your vehicle’s owners manual snow chain fitting information and the snow chain fitting instructions that will be supplied with the chains.
Not rarely, never.
AWD/4WD are exempt from carrying chains in NSW.
However, I think it would still be prudent to carry them and use them at your own discretion.
Am going to place an order once production is underway. No need for ski room - just get a new set each time.
My mate has a 2019 AMG Mercedes GLC 63s AMG twin turbo 4.0 litre V8 with pilot mode. It was handy for him in all the traffic coming home yesterday / Monday of the LWE. It drives itself in places.
I am in a very unique position of knowing a lot of people in the region, and the safety net of mum and dad in jindabyne. I even have a bed to sleep on in Perisher village if it came to that (so wouldn't even drive my car if conditions recommended that A/4WD fitted chains, and man would everyone on this forum LOVE that, I am willing to take one for the team with regards to Murphy's law on that). So wheel clearance for chains on my Tiguan is way down the list of worries for me.
But agreed it could be relevant to other people. So Snowtyres is right to point it out. Just not relevant to my situation.
I'm pretty sure that I've been required to fit chains to a 4WD at least once in NSW. And I know that I have fitted them in NSW, when not required, to a 4WD for peace of mind.
Yes, they have been required to fit them. But not required to carry them.
But as I said, if that happens (and woo hoo!!) I just would use alternative means. (Gee work sorry I don't have chains so I'm snowed in)
Happened to me once out in the scrub. Couldn't get out and no phone reception. When i finally got out 24hrs later and called work late afternoon to let them know what happened the boss said he'd seen lots of snow on the news and assumed i was stuck in it somewhere!
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AWD/4WD are exempt from carrying chains in NSW.[/QUOTE]
More correctly "AWD/4WD are currenty exempt from carrying chains in NSW."
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However, I think it would still be prudent to carry them and use them at your own discretion.[/QUOTE]
"To control the risks of driving in snow and ice conditions, the RTA recommends that persons driving 4WD vehicles take measures to improve the vehicle’s performance capabilities by either: • Fitting winter tyres to the vehicle; or • Carrying snow chains or equivalent snow traction devices, and fitting them when recommended by the RTA."
No chains on the BT 50
Your opinion on all round tyres for a Toyota SR 5 ute, but with good ice and snow capability. Vehicle only occasionally used In snow conditions.
Happy to run the same tyre year round. Vehicle based in Jindy.
Buy from elsewhere then take it to them and show them!I remember a guy in Darwin years ago.Won a fair bit on the lottery went to the BM dealer and was treated badly.So he went down the road and bought an Alfa Romeo GTV6.Went back to BMW dealer found the salesman and showed him what he had just bought.
This one looks pretty good...
Falken Wildpeak AT3W
I have run Bridgestone all terrains on my Hilux - onto my 2nd set. In snow Happy up to Falls/ Hotham/ Perisher including the Khancoban-Thredbo and Cabramurra roads in sketchy conditions.
They handle other off-road conditions well, although I’ve stayed out of deep mud or soft sand...
General good grip and performance and not too thirsty or noisy on the blacktop.
Exceptional performance on compacted snow and wet tarmac.
Having said that - no-one in a heavy 4WD is impervious to skidding - especially on black ice. I still carry and fit chains if needed.
So I generally keep my speeds low and watch the torque. The ute’s generally happier with a load in the back, and the Hilux does have a high centre of gravity too, so over-correction at speed isn’t going to end well.
Grip capacity doesn’t equate to never skidding - torque, speed and handling remain the key factors.
See these Bridgestone All Terrains a lot up at the snow.
I did that too! Close enough anyway. Went to Dealer A who would just not offer a price. This is in the middle of the GFC in 2008. I left it with him to formulate an offer and went to dealer B. Dealer B offered a fair discount so I bought from them. Dealer B BLEW UP at me lol. I was like “mate I asked you to offer a price and you never did, so I bought with the dealer who did what I asked”.
I suppose if you won lotto you could afford the r&m on an alfa. .... ..
Cheers @Chaeron. I’ll take a look.
My daily ride up the hill is via a small overweight Jeep..... so pretty much every day of the season. Plus out of season when it’s snowing (and not) so it’s a lot of driving in all conditions.
It has Winter tyres and I’m happy enough with that.
All your points resonate and I agree with them.
The Toyota is a backup. I dont take it off road as a rule so if the tyres I fit can handle ice and snow then that’s a winner for me.
Not sure if you can get them in Australia, but I've had good service from Goodyear Wrangler SR-A. They were the standard rubber on my Chev Silverado truck so it's cheap to get decent lightly used replacements because so many people take them off in favour of fancier rubber. They're M+S rather than full winter, I leave them on year round and they're a reasonable blend of mileage vs traction. Quiet and smooth at all speeds. I've on occasion had Goodyear's full winter, the Wrangler Duratrac. Those have treated me well also, louder than the SR-A and softer too, need to switch them to a summer unless you're doing minimal warm season mileage.
Toyota Hilux SR5 can be supplied with 265/65 R17 112S or 265/60 R18 110H “All-Season” summer tyres, depends on how your vehicle was supplied.
An “All-Weather” tyre would be the best choice for your SR5 based the requirements you have described in your post.
I would suggest Nokian WR SUV 4 All-Weather Winter tyre, available locally from Ian at Snowy River Tyrepower in Jindy.
Nokian WR SUV4 is good in ice and snow conditions and can be used all year round.
All-weather winter tyres
A new type of winter tyre specifically designed & marketed for year round use, features special tread compound & extensive tread siping to supply high levels of traction & braking grip at low temperatures. The 3PMSF Mountain Snowflake Alpine symbol shows approval for severe snow conditions according to ECE 117.02 snow test.
Nokian invented the All Weather tyre category specifically for the North American market where drivers typically prefer to use one set of tyres all year. Designed as a winter tyre first, Nokian All-Weather tyres can be used year-round and still provide
class-leading winter grip and are ideal if you prefer to use one set of tyres all year, or do a lot of highway driving in winter on the way to your ski resort. Nokian All-Weather winter tyres are marked with the 3PMSF (3 Peak Mountain Snow Flake) Alpine Symbol showing they are approved for severe snow conditions according to ECE 117.02 snow test.
These links may be helpful in helping your with your purchasing decision.
If you won lotto you could afford 3 Alfas, so you could be reasonably certain that one is functional at any given time.
(That being said, I would love to have a go driving a 4C...)
Cheers and thanks.
Seems like there are a few decent options.
My other Winter tyres came from Ian. I’ll go have a chat with him....
Lucky he didn't buy a Jeep!
True, would need a few for spares
Is there a comment that goes with this? The review was uninspiring so are you suggesting this is not a tyre you would choose? That would be my comment. Tyres mean very little anyway once the snow is deep enough to hit your underbelly and your car becomes the plough. Not something most would experience but common around here. From experience I have found that once you have to fit chains to our snow car it is time to stop. You are probably only getting yourself into deeper trouble and you also could walk the extra distance you would get quicker than the time it takes to put them on. I don't do resort driving so my comment relates only to roads which are not cleared regularly and off road.
I haven't read through the whole thread, what was the final decision? I assume that @despot721 must be almost ready to start looking for a new car soon!
We've just gone to the van that drives like a car keeping in the vw family with a 7-seater Caddy. I want to add higher profile A/T tyres but it will mean I can't fit chains, catch 22!
Falken AT3W has 3PMSF symbol
You can of course get higher spec dedicated snow performance tyres.
Bridgestone is M+S, popular amongst the wider 4WD enthusiast groups but not 3PMSF rated