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Question Back Country Ski Market Research

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by Matthew Gadd, Nov 8, 2019.

  1. Matthew Gadd

    Matthew Gadd First Runs

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    Hi everyone,

    My name is Matt Gadd, and I am a new member to the forum. I am currently a Yr 12 Design and Technology student, and I am conducting some research into possibly designing for my major work a new type of backcountry ski with a motor on the tail of the ski to improve the efficiency of travelling while on the skis.

    If you all could please reply with suggestions and feedback toward this idea, I would be very appreciative.

    Kind Regards,

    Matt.
     
  2. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    @Matthew Gadd I guess you have never been skiing and certainly not backcountry TM skiing?
     
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  3. Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    I assume that the motor is to help you travel uphill with your skis on, instead of just using skins on your skis?
     
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    Fozzie Bear One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Sounds like a skidoo...... unless some amazing new nano technology involved.
     
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    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Teenie tiny eJets?
     
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  6. Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Go easy on him..... Just a young bloke trying to find out stuff
     
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    Froff Life A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Chaeron One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    @Matthew Gadd - maybe research a couple more things

    1) - the current weight of backcountry skis (and think of how much weight a motor of any sort would add to that vs. what it would add to the experience..

    2) why people go backcountry in the 1st place (they’re mostly after the wilderness experience, rather than hunting vertical) - and that wilderness experience doesn’t go with more machines.

    3) Consider alternatives - people might be open to using an ebike or escooter to help shorten the approach, while a motorised ski might be impractical.

    4) Consider the snowplay options involved in a stripped down lightweight skidoo - ski- ebike, rather than a hefty impractical beefed up motorised snowboard.

    5) Consider the environment- skidoos and drones are mostly prohibited in Natural Parks, and motorised bikes too.

    Good luck.
     
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  9. GS

    GS A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    I reckon the only think that's likely to give enough traction is some sort of miniature half tracks running from a super efficient electric motor and powered by a Mr Fusion reactor in your backpack.

    The miniature jet engines need too much fuel, melt the snow and are noisy as....very cool but.

    Or a husky trained to push rather than pull
     
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  10. GS

    GS A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Hmm, what about a winch that 'walks' its way back along a super fine dyneema type cord that you string out behind you down the slope. Like a reverse rope tow
     
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    I was thinking maybe a big blower on your back, but then thought with all the hot air coming from the skiiers mouths it would be like Newtons third law.
     
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  12. art

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    I think its a hard problem to put a motor on skis without detracting from their primary function as skis.

    maybe one of these that will drive itself back down to meet at the bottom.


    A bit like ghost riding a sled



    @GS I like the winch idea.
     
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    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    When you look at the progress of motors on skateboards and foot scooters and those nonhovering hoverboards I can see it looks reasonable to apply the same tech and thinking to skis or stand up toboggans.

    But I'm in the earn your turns camp and find it difficult to get over the laziness that the motorization of our every activity provides. Yes I do use the lifts (obviously motorized climbing). But I also go and climb hills under my my steam as well. This is done in a different environment that we are lucky to have defended as minimal (work or rescue related only) motorization zone. I'd like that environment to stay that way.
     
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    Wrong thread, should be in Darwin.
     
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    I’m pretty sure jet engines were attached to the backs of skis in one of the Apocalypse Snow movies, and they worked fine.
     
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    I'm guessing market research will conclude there is no market
     
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    Well I love the idea of a jet pack and I adore that French (?) motorised sled...

    ... but people who have been on this forum for a while will probably know of my enduring love for nutcracker tows. They are unobtrusive, cheap, easily installed and removed and go at twice the speed of a T-bar. For nearly 70 years they have been proven to be the ultimate backcountry ski transport in Australia and New Zealand.

    When I come to power, a Bogong Regime will rebuild the Northcote Tow on the Main Range and install at least one in Cairn Gully on Mt Bogong and a heap of other places so we can replicate the nutcracker experience on huge empty slopes that they have in NZ.

     
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  19. Chaeron

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    Typically speaking a back country skier wants less than 3.5kg max underfoot ( skis + boots) and wants to carry no more than 15kg on their back.

    Any motorisation plus fuel is going to change that equation significantly.
     
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    [​IMG]

    Can only be improved with teles
     
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    Snow-kiting seems way more fun
     
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    Zeroz A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    This has already been built and done, as the following pic and documentary demonstrate.

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    26.10 min to see backpack backcountry skiing in full operation in Chamonix. More demo's later in vid.
     
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    Im currently making a prototype cast iron binding. Anyone interested ?
     
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    I have a test subject who won’t work in an iron lung - Can act as your crash test dummy...
     
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    So Dynafit are now offering a lifetime guarantee on any of their bindings purchased after 01 November - obviously a marketing response to the combined impact of the Salomon Shift and the new Marker BC offering....
     
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    He obviously could not work out how to turn it off so he could stop at the end of the ski run so had to continue into the streets until it ran out of fuel.
     
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    Google Paw Patrol Everest Snowboard :)