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Backcountry Skis?

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by Spence, Mar 4, 2020.

  1. rowdyflat

    rowdyflat One of Us Ski Pass: Gold Ski Pass: Silver

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    I am keen on the Euro system where you lean forward and unclip the front rubber thingy without taking off the skis and fling the skin backwards .
    It can be difficult w wide skins cos there is so much adhesion.
    Therefore all the skins are European brands eg Montana
    The USA system of Leaning back, unclipping the tail and flinging the skins forward is much harder.
     
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  2. Chaeron

    Chaeron Ski-Hike-Blade-Bike-Kayak Ski Pass: Gold

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    Need rando skis...
     
  3. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Ummm, you want me to remember stuff? Cruel & heartless that is.

    Colltex mohair, were real good but they saw a lot of tour action & fur wore out.

    Various BD usually the mix, some were meant to be mohair but pretty certain they are mixes.

    G3, bought to solve a no skin problem, heavy, slow & suspect the glue in Oz conditions. They live on the floor of the car as a back up.

    geckos, the mohair outlasted the glue & I have not figured out how to reglue. These remain my favourite but only have an operational pair for the 120s at present so they don’t see much action.

    Pomoca, these are race mohair that came as part of the kit with some Northern Lights. The skins & glue are good & I like using them. O just need to figure out how to ski the ski properly to use them more.

    if I was buying new skins I’d go the Contours based on discussion with workshop/hire staff at Wilderness Sports who see skins get murdered each hire.
     
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  4. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    I cut the tail tag off.
     
  5. craighelo

    craighelo One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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  6. Chaeron

    Chaeron Ski-Hike-Blade-Bike-Kayak Ski Pass: Gold

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    The Contours do get a good rap.

    For mohair Coltex & Pomoca.

    For kicker skins - Black Diamon.

    G3 - wide range of options.
     
  7. snowgum

    snowgum One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    So Contour
    & Pomoca?

    Re the former. Are the splits better than single skin per ski?

    The splits look /seem more fiddly but if they are proven to work?? Way to go perhaps?

    Cheers
     
  8. rowdyflat

    rowdyflat One of Us Ski Pass: Gold Ski Pass: Silver

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    Yeah last skins 100mm were Contours maybe mohair mix cheapest bought from a euro website .
    Will never use them in Australia though team them with cheap not light Gotamas..
     
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  9. snowgum

    snowgum One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Wont use because they’re too wide? Unsuitable...?
     
  10. rowdyflat

    rowdyflat One of Us Ski Pass: Gold Ski Pass: Silver

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    Am not a fan of wide skis bc in aus as above .
    Powder skis and skins too wide and a bit heavy for me in Aus.135- 105- 125.
    Awesome in the right conditions OS. NZ heli last year.
     
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    snowgum One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yes agree with those dimensions touring - a lot of weight for uphill but fine if only going down.

    But float rarely an issue BC Oz - unless its super sunny & warm spring - thats where a 100mm could be handy?
     
  12. Kletterer

    Kletterer Thredbo Doughnut Tragic Moderator

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    @climberman Apparently these are selling well in Europe Consider the 94 mm version.
     
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  13. climberman

    climberman CloudRide1000 Legend Ski Pass: Gold

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    Ta mate will have a gander.
     
  14. Mister Tee on XC Skis

    Mister Tee on XC Skis A Local Ski Pass: Gold Ski Pass: Silver

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    Black diamond kicker skins kick buttockial matter.They are amazing.
    My Fischer metal edge BC skis can cope with most BC conditions
    but often perform better on corduroy and are quite fast too.
    My Madshus Epoch BC XC skis are very good for most ungroomed terrain.
    I have ordered some thinner BD kicker skins for my Fischer BC skis from EMC. That way I will have skins that fit both pairs of metal edged XC skis perfectly.
     
  15. CarveMan

    CarveMan Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Circling back to OP, I’m pretty stoked with my Camox Freebirds after my first day on them yesterday, climbed roughly 800m, skied in to a couloir that usually requires a rappel but the 50deg slope was caked after the storms we’ve been having here and then the 1000m of untouched pow below was a dream.

    I would have skied faster / more aggressively on my Corvus, but would I have got them up there? It was also my first day on the Tecnica Zero G Tour Pro that has been sitting under my desk for the best part of a year. They were fantastic, I can tell I’m gonna really like them, so versatile for the weight.

    Camox is mounted with a G3 Zed, you don’t need any more binding than that.
     
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  16. rowdyflat

    rowdyflat One of Us Ski Pass: Gold Ski Pass: Silver

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    Sounds like we have the full spectrum first Mr Tee is pottering on the BHP with Madshus at ? Fitzgeralds Hut ? and then Carveman is doing a Scott Schmidt 50 degree couloir out of Blizzard of Aahhs.[ you must be gutsy to do 50 you fall you die degrees ].
    No wonder Spence is confused.
    The middle ground might be skiing Northcote or the steepest parts of north facing Clarke from 10 am to 3 pm in spring.
    I am happy with a 78 waist ski , my 92s would be amazing but in 50+ runs there havent taken them across the Snowy from Charlottes due to weight.
     
  17. climberman

    climberman CloudRide1000 Legend Ski Pass: Gold

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    fk you are a bastard. You know that, right?

    The Technica's seem very impressive.
     
  18. Spence

    Spence One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    the-ultimate-backcountry-skiing-starter-guide

    Thank you all for your input and great (overwhelming?) information. I have found the above link on the Cripple Creek Backcountry website. Whilst it is a commercial site the information and links are very informative. I'm hoping to be able to get at least a couple of trips down this coming season so I will probably do one of the introduction courses and hire skis to start with.
    Thanks again for all the great info. My head is spinning.
     
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  19. Untele-whippet

    Untele-whippet beard stroker Ski Pass: Gold

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    You know you want to.....
     
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  20. snowgum

    snowgum One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Theres so much gear & so much info & advice mate it makes your head spin!

    Its less stressful not having a ski budget, no real hard decisions to make. (;-)

    The Community here are great though!
     
  21. CarveMan

    CarveMan Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Day 2, bit more mellow on both the up and the down, they’re ****ing magnificent.
     
  22. rowdyflat

    rowdyflat One of Us Ski Pass: Gold Ski Pass: Silver

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    Spence If you want to learn bc skiing in comfort Charlotte Pass is an excellent place to stay late august into Sept
    Stay at Pygmy Possum or similar there are heaps of people who can help you.
    You just need time and money .
     
  23. rowdyflat

    rowdyflat One of Us Ski Pass: Gold Ski Pass: Silver

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    Cripple Creek Backcountry website.
    Ok but touring in Aus is completely different to Western USA.
    In fact Colorado is the polar opposite.
     
  24. BoofHead

    BoofHead One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Had a chat with Bruce from wilderness sports recently because I needed a replacement tail clip for my Contour split skins. It was great to hear that they rated them so highly and used them in their rental fleet which is an indication of durability. I also like that I’m not battling excess skin weight on my wider skis.
     
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  25. Spence

    Spence One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Thanks Rowdy. Funny how everything in life seems to come down to “time and money”. If only!
     
  26. Spence

    Spence One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    I thought that their explanations were very general and that they mention the difference between East coast and West Coast and OS frequently. They talk about snow conditions a lot so I would think that that would incorporate conditions found here? Although I obviously don’t have the experience to judge that.
     
  27. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Oz is East Coast, but smaller.
     
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  28. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    I can second, third and fourth this. Once you have done BC from Charlotte you will be sold.
     
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  29. rowdyflat

    rowdyflat One of Us Ski Pass: Gold Ski Pass: Silver

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    OK thats fine Spence didnt read much it seems lots of links over the place.
    Yep Oz is East Coast smaller , warmer ,shorter changable snow seasons than up north, extended spring conditions usually , low avalanche risk though does happen.
    Spring conditions can be easy and lovely ,good visibility, early September you need to know about time of day v slope aspect for best conditions and later in spring south or east facing slopes , ideally you want it to freeze at night and not many suncups.
     
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  30. DPS Driver

    DPS Driver A Local

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    If you want a touring ski that skis like an alpine ski, check these out. Particularly the second segment on the Pagoda Tour range. Nothing will come close on the downhill performance for a touring ski.

    Also, Contour skins are by far the best skins I have used. So much so that I use them and tell DPS they can hold on to their new Pomoca DPS logoed skins. The Contour Hybrid is far and away the best skin technology going. Bruce at Wilderness & Rhythm sell them, so too does Harro.
     
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    Hope to achieve that one this year. Let me know when you’re going!
     
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    Kletterer Thredbo Doughnut Tragic Moderator

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    Is DPS sticking with a Dual Titanal approach ? Do any of those have a Titanal mesh design ?
     
  33. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Haven't booked yet for this year but thinking first weekend in September, between all of +0.95 (Mk III)'s conferences. @sara777 also wants to spend a few days at Chateau Targangil
     
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  34. rowdyflat

    rowdyflat One of Us Ski Pass: Gold Ski Pass: Silver

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    May try again to meet up Fozzie . I found Sago.
    We have booked for 1st week of September but will go week before as well, if I can retire by then.
    Would be 18th year and can say those 2 weeks are good ie some fresh storm skiing on lifts and good weather bc.
    In a clear frosty year like 2018, I think we had down to minus 12 deg, it can take patience to wait til noon before skiing down anything big east or north facing.
     
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    Kletterer Thredbo Doughnut Tragic Moderator

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    Fozzie Bear One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    @rowdyflat @Sago was easier to find when he was a regular fixture.

    And weather that time of year can be a lottery, but certainly had one of my best powder sessions late on Friday 6 September last year. For a couple of hours it was a hoot.
     
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    snowgum One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Hi DPSD very interested in your comment about skins here - You’ve probably seen my comment earlier about G3 Hifriction Universal Alpinist - the do climb well though.

    what’s your thoughts please about Contour hybrid - split skins vs full width? Does it depend on the type of snow or ski?

    ideally I want to get a v good gliding skin that can climb a bit steeper terrain than my BD kickers and deal with our fickle damp / frozen BC snow pack?

    Is the big advantage for split Contour that they’ll cover a wider range of ski widths?

    ideally I’d like a full skin to over my 83mm waist Rossi PowderBirds (176 cm) but also my newer 94 mm (188 cm) Rustler 9s. Maybe even out to 100-105 mm one day for OS or a big dump?

    That’s quite a range in width & length so v interested what the Contours (split?) can do.

    ps Would do Mt Stirling as a minus but probably back o’ Loch, Hotham, Nelse et al.

    cheers. Thanks
    SG
     
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    There is no titanal in either the Pagoda Piste or the Pagoda Tour.

    The carbon fibre is the magic ingredient and the ability to run double lay-ups without the need of fibreglass is what gives the torsional strength. To have a light weight, full sidewalled touring ski that is as torsionally stiff as the Pagoda piste cannot happen with titanal. it's too heavy.
     
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    Hi Snowgum,
    The Contour Hybrid skins are full width. the split skin is one product within the range which is specifically designed for people who only want to buy one pair of skins to cover several pairs of skis or who want to keep the weight down on wider skis.

    The full width is a better option if you only need one pair of skins.

    The Hybrid mix is what we bring into the country which is a 70/30 mix mohair/nylon. They handle most conditions well, ie a good all rounder but like any mohair skin they can get wet. On the whole they handle our wet conditions better than any of the hot melt competitors in our market. I use the Contour wax for wet days, as it protects the skins and reduces water penetration considerably.
     
  40. Kletterer

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    So the Pagoda Tour has a full length sidewall- no taper ?
     
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    Minimum width for the split skins is 95mm unless they are now making a narrower version. I’ve used them on my 96 -108 skis. Not sure if the length adjustment will cover your 176-188 skis either. I have the longest version which works in my 191long skis and just fits on my 184 long skis. Another cool feature is that they are easy to control when it gets a bit blowy ie you fold them lengthwise with tail still clipped on so they don’t flap around.
     
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    late on Friday 6 September
    Yep it was nice off the T Bar Fozzie.
     
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    Then I reckon we saw each other. Not many out but those that were enjoyed it hugely.
     
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    rowdyflat One of Us Ski Pass: Gold Ski Pass: Silver

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    Probably , I was on teles with a big raincoat looking like a drowned rat.
    First thing Saturday was pretty nice too .
     
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    Looked epic as we caught the first oversnow out :tany:
     
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    cheers Fir this info will weigh up - nice to cover a quiver.
     
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    Hmm BC Sic tempting :) Never skied Charlottes either way . Only a mid 80s NYE
     
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    Hmmm..... perhaps need to organise a slack BC SIC?
     
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    Hybrid split comes in these sizes, 2x40 and 2x50. If you want them ring Bruce ASAP and get them added to his order.
    width in mm length for ski length in cm
    2 x 40 S 162-172
    2 x 40 M 171-181
    2 x 40 L 180-190
    2 x 40 XL 189-199

    2 x 50 M 171-181
    2 x 50 L 180-190
    2 x 50 XL 189-199
     
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    Do you think I’d get away with fitting the 2 * 40mm splits on my 94mm R9s is it too risky?

    I could ask Bruce directly - he’s usually very helpful when I stop by for a chat. Very knowledgeable & generous with time.