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Backcountry Skis?

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by Spence, Mar 4, 2020.

  1. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    @rowdyflat The gear is amazingly light. +0.95 (Mk III) and I had a little tour from Zurich to Munich In January-February via Zermatt, Cran-Montana, Venice, Verona and Val Gardena. Three of those places offered pretty good skiing, so we took out ski gear with us, including skins and avalanche safety gear (neither of which were used). As we were travelling within Europe by train, we needed to be able to fairly easily lug all of our gear between us. I carried all of the ski gear and ski specific clothing in one wheeled duffle bag and the skis and stocks in one lightly padded ski bag. My wheeled duffle bag tipped the scales at 23kg and the ski bag at 14kg. +0.95 (Mk III)'s wheeled duffle bag was 18kgs. Only way of travelling lighter with ski gear would be to take up classic skate XC.
     
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  2. snowgum

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    I could almost cry looking at those scales. Had to check it wasn’t just one boot.

    perhaps chokkies could send a petition to Atomic to design a carbon Tele boot??
     
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  3. snowgum

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    That’s Chookie Footers!! (;-)
     
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  4. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    I disagree, build a light weight performance ntn tele boot and it will sell like hot cakes.
     
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    It says on Mr Google that the Scarpa terminator X is the lightest about 1700 g but the weight could be reduced by 40% with a bit of R+D .
    Apparently the old scarpa F1 w bellows was 1200g ,doubt there are many in australia.
    I personally would pay $1000 for a carbon fibre boot but many wouldnt.
     
  6. CarveMan

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    Binding weighs a ton as well right?
     
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  7. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    No.
     
  8. snowgum

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    Outlaw X large is about 1.65 kg. (Pr) I guess that’s not dissimilar (bad). Compared to many std alpine bindings but I believe it’s way heavier than the best AT (sub 1kg pr.) stuff - that’s before boots are considered.

    And the 2 lightest NTN (pin) bindings have seemed a tad fragile in the past (latester versions better?).

    No wonder we Ye olde Tele dudes struggle keeping up with young (fancy pants) AT skiers in the BC. :eek:
     
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  9. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Just a rubbish generalisation.
     
  10. CarveMan

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    800g/foot isn’t terrible, that’s Kingpin / Shift territory.
     
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  11. snowgum

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    Aren’t they? or Is it just the failures we hear about Skifree? Perhaps I’m too hasty to judge?

    To be fair I watched 2-3 Meidjo videos recently including the use of the heel option. It did look quite funky but needs a Crispi boot to use the heel.

    Now if only the screw pattern matched 22D for my QKs?
     
  12. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yes

    Scarpa had a alpine heel as well, but not really required. I’m not sure why this is even a point of discussion for tele.

    Lynx should match your inserts.
     
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  13. DPS Driver

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    We actually added weight back into our new Pagoda Tour skis. We were going for the 1kg ski and could have done it easily but then started to play with a few things and realised the better option was to add full length in mould sidewall and a bit of razzle dazzle to make the ski perform better on the downhill. Which it does in spades. Nothing in it's weight category can get close for downhill performance.
     
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  14. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    So is Pagoda lighter or heavier than this?
     
  15. climberman

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    So is that like having the best fuel economy it’s class.... for 5.8L V8’s ?
     
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    Heavier than 1 kg I obviously v light still .
    Skis these days rarely break except a point load when crossing snowy creeks when something may give way.
    I try l to move only one of the four points of contact in this situation if possible. ie skis + poles .
     
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  17. snowgum

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    Is there an RRP yet for this series? I love the light weight, look, shape and (in the case of the Wailer 99 Alchemist) the performance of DPS skis but not so keen on the price. I agree though, top quality & design always costs more...
     
  18. DPS Driver

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    Well put and yes in a fashion you are correct. But probably a better analogy would be to say a 1.4 ltr, 4 cylinder versus a turbo charged 1.4 ltr 4 cyl. At the time, brands were racing to put out the 1 kg or lighter touring ski, where it's all about the uphill. The nett result being a lot of super light skis that were absolutely shite on the down. Once we started putting some starch back into the ski, it was too good a ski, at still an incredibly light weight, to go back. Around the table it was unanimous that we're a skiing company and no matter how good the climb feels, the stoke of the downhill should trump it.

    So we built what we feel is the best touring ski around. From a weight perspective a Wailer 112 @ 184cm is 1560g and a Cassiar 94 @ 178cm is 1375g. That's pretty damn light for a ski that can handle inbounds laps almost every bit as well as it can BC laps.
     
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  19. DPS Driver

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    The Pagoda Tour will retail for the same price as the Pagoda Piste and Alchemist. It actually costs more to make than both which is kind of a foreign concept for touring skis.
    Yeah if you just focus on the ticket price, they look a bit scary but they're better value than any other ski on the market. They retain their rebound for hundreds of days and the quality of materials, is without peer in our industry. You will get far more days out of a pair of DPS than you will out of any other ski. This is magnified when we're talking touring skis.
     
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  20. Chaeron

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    It’s the fitness levels - get on the Gear!
     
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  21. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    So where do you see the Wailer100RP in this picture?
     
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    Optimal vs. average Oz conditions.... ?
     
  23. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    I like em. :)

    But I do have 4 generations of Wailers.
     
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    I’m complementing my Wailer 112’s with Cassiar 87’s this season...

    Different tools for different purposes - I have 4 sets of skis which all have a similar sidecut - but they’re all different.... not that the Minister of Finance believes me - but then again, she has AT least 4 different looms, so I’m safe....
     
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  25. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    We probably should start a support group or sumting.
     
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  26. DPS Driver

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    Well we have a Wailer 100C in Pagoda Piste and Wailer 100RP in Pagoda Tour. I assume you're talking of the Tour. If so:
    184cm = 1480g
    179cm = 1410g
    171cm = 1355g

    Is that what you're after?
     
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  27. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    So my Wailer100RPs weigh pretty much the same as the Pagoda Tour as 1404ish for 179.
     
  28. snowgum

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    Fairly impressive weights given their acumen for downhill ability!

    Is it safe to assume such light skis will work well with a lighter (ie. telemark) boots in the ~ 1.3-1.5 kg Mark.

    For Tele heads here I’m talking the Garmont Excursion - a really nice light 2 buckle, plastic touring boot (75mm), not renowned for prowess on piste but in my opinion a nice boot for touring and the odd stint on softer snow.

    cheers.
     
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  29. DPS Driver

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    Yeah, you've got to remember that your ski is a "Powderworks" construction which is a special make. It is more closely related to the Pagoda Tour than the Pagoda Piste. You're sporting some of our special foam in that beast.

    So you're the best person to ask about piste performance of a DPS touring ski. I bet those puppies hang on like no touring ski you've ever rolled on edge before.
     
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  30. DPS Driver

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    Good question. Here's my take and Skifree might like to comment as well.

    You would normally say yes, go a lightweight set up with such a light ski because you don't want to over power the ski. (Which is the norm) However my answer to this would be, Yes & No depending on intended skiing preference. If you want to keep it light for the uphill go light. If you want to hammer the downhill but fear you might overpower the ski with a heavy set up, don't worry. The ski will handle it. It's almost as torsionally strong as an Alchemist.
     
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    Sound fair enough to me. Cheers. A ski that can handle uphill & downhill well is gold - it makes ski selection easier, potentially the quiver cheaper (smaller) and the car less crowded on the big week/ long weekend to the hill! Oh and more fun/ less painful.

    * A shame my ‘accountant’ says I’ve spent my ski budget for a while - more or less?? o_O:oops::eek::whistle:
     
  32. skifree

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    Yes, the ski hangs on more than my binding can take, so if I'm really to lay them over on firm stuff I need to engage the touring lock the toes. But I very rarely try and ski that hard / fast. They hang on pretty similar but better to the previous (still in the rack) Wailers

    I've not actually ever skied the dps Tour build.
     
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  33. DPS Driver

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    Time for a new accountant.

    I've got a mate who skis his Wailer 112 Tour1's in resort in Canada heaps. He says if he's feeling like cruising around and being lazy they're perfect. They're just dialled back that little bit from the Alchemist. So a touring ski which can provide a good in resort experience is a rarity. I believe the Pagodas have taken this to the next level.

    I've not skied the Pagodas yet so can't comment apart from feedback from the team but sounds like a wicked piece of kit which can handle resort laps no problem.
     
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  34. DPS Driver

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    The Tour1 hangs on every bit as well, it's just a little softer in flex and a little more cruisey. The only issue with inbounds on it is the lack of damping. This is where the Pagoda Tour hits the right note.
     
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  35. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    In recent years I have been driving all my dps with Meidjo and Scarpa TXPros.

    The light ski will work fine being driven by an Excursion, but you never reach maybe 1/2 the potential fun in the ski with those boots and a matching lightweight 75mm binding unless you have very very perfect technique and even then there will be some corners of the envelope the boot / binding will give up well prior to the ski.

    It would be very well worth stepping up to a Meidjo or Lynx as a binding and an NTN boot on these ski.
     
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  36. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    I look forward to the opportunity to demo these puppies.
     
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    Watching folks ski these, and talking to them, my feeling was they were too soft, particularly for Oz mostly firm BC conditions.
     
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    Yes don't know if that will happen this season. We'll see, fingers crossed.
     
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  39. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Don't forget, small ntn binding. :thumbs:
     
  40. DPS Driver

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    I don't think I would say that from personal experience. They're still a carbon fibre layup and have plenty of starch. Maybe for some but I must admit I've never heard any feedback to that extent.

    I never had any issue with them BC in Oz. Apart from on the really hard stuff which would have been the same as any other ski.
     
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    We've spoken about this before. Man up and slap on a pair of AT boots then come and see me. Fckn dinosaurs. We need a dinosaur emoji.:):D:cry:
     
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    Is there a collective noun for dentists? :out:

    It must be tough making THE BEST SKIS EVER every year running! o_O

    Why don't DPS drop some coin on a FWT athlete? Having someone win something on a DPS ski might change some people's perceptions of the skis - which is to some extent that they are a status symbol/soft snow cruising ski, not a high-end performance ski.

    If I can eek out a few spare bucks, I might grab me a pair of Camox Freebird. Too many good reviews from multiple sources to ignore.
     
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    Great turn of phrase and extremely accurate. "Drop some Coin"

    We're still a small ski company putting out a high end product with a price point above all of the competitors. We don't have the depth of pocket to sponsor an FWT athlete. Whilst our skis have a high ticket price our margins are considerably less than other manufacturers (designers) because of the cost of the materials.

    Note I used the differentiator designers v manufacturers. DPS is a manufacturer unlike Black Crows, so we have considerable overhead is running a manufacturing facility in the US. This is also a great advantage for us in that we can test and build far more skis than a designer with a contract manufacturer. So we can evolve our skis far more intimately.

    The dentist and doctor tag was created by our competitors because they couldn't match us on product quality. Still can't. It worked extremely well and has an adverse affect on our sales. Mainly because some people are brainless twats that fall for such BS. Unfortunately that's the world we live in.

    The best thing for us is to demo side by side with other manufacturers. This is where we shine and the follow on sales are very high.

    Go and buy your Camox Freebirds, they're a great ski with pretty graphics or you could show up to a demo day and feel the difference.
     
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    I still think it could be worthwhile. How many people would be checking out Sego now that the FWT champ is on em?

    Definitely up for that. I'll never pass a chance to try a ski out for myself. Failing that, we are left with the review sources we can find online, which are:

    - Blister - Some great reviews in between flashy egos/pontificating/indulgent USA custom ski making.
    - Wildsnow - Feels pretty irrelevant now. Not even an Ultimate Quiver annual article anymore.
    - Skialper - No digital guide this year.
    - Ski Essentials - Not bad for comparisons, but they seem more vague and less definitive than Blister.

    And the sum of those reviews for me is that DPS make some great skis (Lotus 124, Wailer 106, others possibly) and also make some average skis, just like any ski manufacturer/designer. Show me to the demo tent and I'm happy to see first-hand.
     
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    ROFL

    Aahhhh the training skis, no thanks.
     
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    Unfortunately that might not be happening this year. If the world turns right side up again I'll post the demo days and we'll give you a rip on whatever you want.

    I don't want to burst any bubbles re ski reviews but a lot of them are paid advertising or connected to a retail agenda. You mention Blister who do a pretty even job but they're friends of DPS and they ride DPS skis, Lou & Lisa Dawson ride DPS. Look at their trip reports 9 times out of ten they're on DPS. They could ride whatever they want. Same with Louie. The Ski Essential team or Pinnacle Ski & Sport from Stowe are great supporters. We've got quite a lot of background in the east coast, particularly Stowe, so does that sway their reviews. Who knows.

    Generally every tester rides or gets deals from a manufacturer. You can see it in their reviews. It's hard to take a review seriously when you know what's behind the smoke and mirrors. We've even had magazines refuse to review our skis because we don't pay them. That's the reality.

    Yeah, I talk DPS up a lot and am open for a shot or two because it's my job but it's not the job that puts food in my kids mouths. I have a full time job to pay the bills. I could give it up today and probably be better off financially and have more time for the kids and other pursuits. I do it because I love skiing and I can't get on another ski and get the rebound and response back, that I do with DPS. All glass skis feel lifeless. So I'm like a junkie, I need that feeling and so I keep plugging away. I'm a fan boy for DPS.

    Truth is, I know what's inside most skis on the market and who made them. I know roughly how much they cost to make and I know in a lot of cases who designed them. So when someone espouses one ski over another or this or that, well, most of the time it's just marketing BS. Seeing as though you mentioned Black Crows let's look at them, are they the best ski on the market today, because they've grown so fast and "appear" to be outselling most other skis. No. They are a good ski maybe even a great ski but their sales are directly related to the amount of money they spent on advertising and the smarts of Aussie Chris Booth. The reality is Black Crows were a finger nail away from going under if they didn't get an investor. It took a while and finally happened and that's great because skiing needs companies like Black Crows, ON3P, DPS, Voile etc.

    My point here is demo a pair of skis. Don't believe everything you read and try to work out if it's the product or the marketing you're buying.
     
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    Will have to demo on an Alpine boot. Might even hire an AT boot but try hiring a decent AT boot in a 30 or 30.5 in Melbourne?

    you know my comments on Aussie NTN demos DSPD - the first company with the coin (balls) to set up even one ski in their tent (say in 180 ish) per weekend, esp one that produces good 50/50 inbound/outbound crossover skis will have gone a long way in advancing sales in this tiny little outpost of the ski world! :)-)

    until then I’ll try with Alpine binders but it’s not the same. (;-/)

    Agree these skis look great - one day eh??
     
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    A mouthfull of Dentists?
     
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    • A gob of dentists.
    • A conference of dentists
     
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