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Baw Baw management

Discussion in 'Mt Baw Baw' started by Charlie, Apr 23, 2014.

  1. Ben Lomond Brad

    Ben Lomond Brad Part of the Furniture Moderator

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    Still has a ratio of 1:10, so a gallon of water will make 10 gallons of snow
     
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    No it wont.
     
  3. crackson

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    Charlie Still the most depraved poster here Ski Pass: Gold

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    You don't seriously think that imperial percentages are different to metric percentages....?
    that's grade 6 maths
    1 inch to 10 inches is 10%, 1mm to 10mm is 10%, snow is snow
    get serious
     
  6. surfnski

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    just had a look at your website reference

    it says density of settling snow is 70-90 km/m2, water is 1000km/m2 which is .09 density or 1/11
    I think u lost a decimal point somewhere
    (note this table gives this as 1" water = 11" of snow, also imperial, does that make it wrong?)
    new snow is shown as 1/33, wind toughened snow 1/3.5
    but we are talking about snow making, so its got to be above 10
    back to school
     
  7. surfnski

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    oops - I meant kg/m2
     
  8. crackson

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    A litre of manmade snow does not weigh 100g. It weighs between 400-600g.
     
  9. surfnski

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    Your’re a cracker, Crackson,
    Did u make up those figures as well ? Maybe firn (old) compacted snow is 400kg/m3.
    On the website you pointed to, go down to the first table, “Density of Snow Cover”....
    See “Settling Snow”, which would be the same as man-made, that’s what they measure when they have just made it, and report it, it has a density of 70-90 Kg/m3 (which means it contains 70-90L of water, less than 1/10th). Under the table is a picture, underneath it says that “newly fallen snow” weighs between 70-150Kg/m3, a density of between .07 and 0.15 – that means 1m3 of newly fallen snow contains between 70L and 150L of water, nothing like the .5 density or 500L of water you have been promoting. It seems that u need to take some scales and weigh some freshly fallen snow to be convinced, because all the technical data, including your own reference, says that new snow actually weighs between 70-150g per Litre, or 70-150Kg/m3.
    Perhaps some reading glasses are in order.
     
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    crackson A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    New snow falling in Alta is not the same as manmade in aus.

    But what would I know?

    p.s. I have made >1km3 of manmade.
     
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    Do you want a medal ? It was your web reference to facts, which didn't even support your own argument.
    Just because you can open a valve and turn a switch doesn't make you a scientist, or an expert.
     
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    Install park Features, Install Snowmaking, Market to Youth == Profit.
     
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    The trouble with Wiki, is that it is unverified, you could have easily written it yourself.
    I don't claim to know myself what is true, but the site you previously referred to
    said that fresh snow consists of 10% water, and that is consistent with the other websites
    (non-wiki) I earlier referred to. I simply find it hard to believe that the density of man-made fresh snow
    is 5x that of natural fresh snow. The density of snow at 0.5 (or 50% water) is described on different
    websites as being similar to firn or compacted old snow.
    There's no comparison between compacted snow and fresh man made, so I'm not convinced.
    Over & Out.
     
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    Innit marvellous?
    I started this thread to inform folks about development at Baw Baw, and it's turned into a snowmaking pissing contest!
     
  17. Ben Lomond Brad

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    piss don't freeze :p

    never eat the yellow snow
     
  18. Charlie

    Charlie Still the most depraved poster here Ski Pass: Gold

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    Too much alcohol?
     
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    Some good stuff listed over past months here- my two cents:

    More snow guns, with bigger back end to supply them - inc. water.
    Cover more retain and whole runs (not just Tank Hill and lower slopes)
    Summer groom/ remove rock sheets that frequently close a run (despite good snow on the rest of the run)
    Better drainage on both downhill and XC trails & widening the latter for Kat grooming.
    More frequent grooming of XC trails & trail reports to attract a percentage of the Lake Mtn skating set.
    Examine feasibility of adding some solar/wind power generation to lower electricity costs over time.
    Offer a discount entry to one-person cars (so they don't subsidise 7-seater wagons) - entry fees are starting to discourage lower income groups.
    Competitive family packages with decent discounts for combined lifts, lessons and hire.
    ...etc...
     
  21. priderock

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    Well said Charlie. What started out an interesting discussion had become so boring. I think snowgum gets close to the mark, just add the ever mentioned south face road, and a chair lift and we get a more viable resort.
     
  22. chriscross

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    I, for one, am interested in any comments from people in the know about developments at BB. So, please, Charlie and others, keep us in the loop. I got the impression that the water supply/storage was a serious issue up there that could impact on snow making but I'm no expert.
     
  23. Charlie

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    Well, apparently there will be more snowguns, but no increase in water storage for this year.
    Big Hill Access Poma
    Will operate from bottom to top, so all trace of the ill fated tube run will be gone
    Big Hill Run...
    I believe a return trail has been created to take skiers back to the base of the forementioned Big Hill Access Poma to create a loop for those skiers who have been missing out on the short but exciting Big Hill Run
     
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    Thanks, Charlie. It's hard to see the value of more guns if not enough water. Then again, temps have to be cold enough. Still, it's got to be better than last year. As for Big Hill, it's like a slightly longer Tank Hill, yeah?
     
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    Big Hill, much betterer than Tank Hill!
     
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    Baw Baws website, mountbawbaw.com, has finally put in an acknowledgement that Belgravia will be running the resort. It's basically a statement from Belgravia that really doesn't say very much in the way of specifics but does hint that reducing the cost to the government is a priority. The website has the usual 2014 season details, resort entry, lift tickets etc. I wonder if these are locked in, since they seem to have been set before the announcement, or are they liable to be changed?
     
  27. Charlie

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    I don't think Belgravia have any input to prices this year!
    Those on the website will stand.
     
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    Nice to see this thread back on track. Pricing would have been sorted months ago, so as Charlie suggests, they would be locked in for this year.The ones that might change are the ones we don't necessarily see, such as fees and charges for lodges, utilities, hospitality etc. I would expect lodges will be increasing their accomodation fees to make up for last year.
     
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    I asked if they would groom the XC trails this year on one of thier facebook pictures. They said they will, hopefully they do. I think there was very little if not any last season? Grooming will make it so much easier to XC ski, especialy for beginners/ first timers and will make it very pleasant for a skate :) They mentioned XC skiing for this season on thier facebook page so hopefully they'll do a good job promoting it at baw baw.
     
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    Just saw the email from BB about the change of management, but also the Season of Pain event, scheduled for July. 4km run, 4km xc ski, 4km run, 4km.ski, then a toboggan finish! Anyone familiar with this event? Has to be good for mountain fitness, I suppose, but I'm not sure that I've got the gear (or the ticker) for snow running.
     
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    There certainly seems to be a lot of positive facebook traffic coming from BB management promoting the mountain and its offerings. Bring on the snow and see what is delivered. My folks will certainly head up and some stage for a weekend.
     
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    I applied for the tender, and shortly after received an email asking what my interests was. My reply was either ignored or junked, because a couple of months later I got another email saying I did not respond to there questions and therefore would not be invited to the tender.

    Interestingly, I could represent millions of dollars of investment, but after one sent email I was passed on. I cant help but feel from day one, there was a clear agenda at play, and saving Baw Baw wasnt it.