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Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by simo_tele, Apr 9, 2006.

  1. simo_tele

    simo_tele One of Us

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    well here it is. Discuss away.

    Guess the first things to establish are location (watson craggs was just taken from the other thread) and dates. Personally uni restricts things a little but apart from mid-year break (29 May --> 23 July) I have a break from 18th september --> 1st October.
    Of course weekends and such are an option but yeh, let's figure out what's going on.
    :woohoo:


    date:
    23rd/24th september - most widely prefered date

    Location:
    Leatherbarrel Creek from Dead Horse Gap.

    giraffe wranglers (some date dependant):
    Simo_tele
    Shrek
    Sidetrack
    Jawoo
    Hopey1
    Graeme
    Telemarx
    Teckel
    Skifree
    John Deere
    Stallie
    Belly - Inner South East Melb (Murrumbeena) (can take 2)
    Mr bent knee
    telemark fred
    Majikthise
    Choc
    Dansan
    Nothing out of bounds (+1or2)
    The bush patrol (+some)
    almontyrat
    VSG (incase we get lost)
    plankus
    Jay Woo
    Brumbyjack + friends
    Craig D - Shepparton
    Mangoes +1 - Southern Highlands


    unconfirmed total: 25 (+ friends)
     
  2. Shrek

    Shrek Old n' Crusty

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    the problems we have had in the past:

    minors decided that they were going to come on a trip without parental supervision. This meant that the adults became responsible for them, this we were not prepareded to do.
    Our solutiuon was to post an open invitation and conductthe rest of the orgaisation by email.

    It worked ok, we had about 15 expressions of interest and 5 people played on the main range.

    It's now easter, heaps of time to organise, any preferences, anyone interested, what skill level are we looking at? What gear are we looking for?

    My thoughts are, that most will be interested in a social time and intermeadiate skiing. This suggests to me catching the chair at thredbo and kamping near kosi, or townsend.
    August or September?

    Warning, I use a dragon fly, skifree will want to camp some distance from me.

    i started a thread also but simo_tele beat me so delted mine and posted it here [​IMG]
     
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  3. Bogong

    Bogong Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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  4. Shrek

    Shrek Old n' Crusty

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    everyone should be able to find something here to tick off their wish list.
    If we get enough people we should be able to build a kickarse kitchen and the noise of stoves will not be an issue for those trying to enjoy nocturnal bliss.

    coloured ones here
     
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  5. simo_tele

    simo_tele One of Us

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    I'm up for more advanced skiing but anything from intermediate up to double black will do me nicely.
    Are there any areas on the main range where we could have some sort of base camp set-up that offers touring out to a variety of terrain?
     
  6. Shrek

    Shrek Old n' Crusty

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    might have to wait for some more respondants.
    assuming a short tour and lots of skiing long maybe get south of ramshead and ski in leather barrel creek?
    Or is the crags more your style.
     
  7. sidetrack

    sidetrack One of Us

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    Myself and Jawoo would be in. Dont care where just need a bit of notice. I would imagine somewhere like the trees above DHG (below Ramsheads) would be good for all levels and easy for accsess and retreat. Like wise in vic Feathertop.
     
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    id be an expression of intrest. hoping to update my kit this season, which is the thing that would be my main limitation
     
  9. Graeme

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    are we talking a weekend here? - I would be interested if so - midweek might be OK if it happened to fit with other plans for the season. certainly I think that a place with a variety of terrain (intermediate to double black sounds good) would be best, to satisfy all comers.
     
  10. Little Tiger

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    if it is watsons crags you have to have a teepee (Climberman - you can explain)
     
  11. Shrek

    Shrek Old n' Crusty

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    disski, if you want a teepee you have to come along
     
  12. Little Tiger

    Little Tiger A Local

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    I'll come the year after... probably be in Europe skiing glaciers or Ireland surfing by then - sorry...

    BTW - HAD the teepee - but brothers friend inherited it on his death.... it has been at WC before...(well just below I think)
     
  13. simo_tele

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    I hope I'm not sounding like I'm 'planning' this circus, I have no BC experience outside of Vic so asking me where's best up north could lead to a few unhappy skiiers [​IMG]
    I'm assuming a weekend trip would be prefered by most, maybe starting early on a saturday. I'm also assuming that a few others (like myself depending on semester 2 timetable) wouldn't mind kicking on for another day or 2 if the conditions are worth it and would just stay for however long we decide.

    How would the 'locals' rate/describe each of these places which have been mentioned so far?
    Watson Craggs
    leather barrel creek
    ramshead

    Is it sad that I'm already looking forward to getting out on the main range this season? :p

    Simon
    PS. Feathertop would also be a good option if enough Gringo's were willing to make the trip down.
     
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  14. telemarx

    telemarx A Local

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    Oh yeah, count me in.
     
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  15. teckel

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    It sounds as though this may be the biggest assembly of avi-giraffes this country may ever have seen. Should we perhaps get some feed in there for them before the snows? And do you think we may need a fenced compound for them, in case they decide en masse to raid our booze supplies? I mean, while we can easily fight off one or two of them, can we keep away a whole gaggle/school/herd of them?
     
  16. Shrek

    Shrek Old n' Crusty

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    simo, all it takes it someone to run with the idea and the rest will follow. I'm in.
     
  17. teckel

    teckel Not a Loser Ski Pass: Gold

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    It could even bring about a population explosion of avi-giraffes. Does anyone know what the gestation period of giraffes is? Or do we keep the boy and girl giraffes separated?
     
  18. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    When you figure dates I'll do my best to be where ever there is snow and riding to be had. [​IMG]

    I'm Adelaide based this Winter, I think, I'll know for sure this coming week. But if I am I'm planning to try and get as many snow visits in as I can. :angel:

    Looks like me marx is providing the souvenir splades. :woohoo:
     
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  19. John Deere

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    I am looking to do some BC skiing this year, have never been, I don't think I would hold you guys back skiing, but I aint the quickest walker on the planet [​IMG]
     
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  20. Shrek

    Shrek Old n' Crusty

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    First time i saw a dragonfly running i thought it has escaped from Nasa's JPL. and then I thought, "I have to have one". Mine simmers great, maybe you are not treating it nice.

    Last thing I want to experience is a baked bean atmosphere when tent bound in a blizzard.
     
  21. telemarx

    telemarx A Local

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  22. Hopey1

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    thats ok JD, we can walk at the back together. im in exactly the same position.

    im assuming that all you folk don the skins when travling everywhere? or is there still some good old bootpackers amongst you?
     
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  23. sidetrack

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    Coming from vic its going to be a lot quicker if we can head off from the Thredbo rd. The crags a fair hike from there with a big pack on. Would it be possible to base somewhere and do day trips to some of the more hardcore areas??
     
  24. Graeme

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    This means either head up from Dead Horse Gap - when Leatherbarrel Creek would be the obvious objecitive, or else splash out $25 or so each on the Thredbo Chair, which lends itself to camping near Rawson Pass or towards Mueller Peak - with good access to Townsend, Alice Rawson, Little Austria, Kosci Cornice and more. Northcote, Kosci and some of the runs into Lake Albina have good intermediate stuff too.
    It would be good to have 3 days really - then a day trip to Crags is doable on the middle day. Its great in this area early October when the NSW guys have a long weekend, and Vicco tends to be looking a bit sad unless a good season.
     
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  25. stallie

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    I am pretty much leave until September [​IMG] [​IMG]

    I am keen for a trip to mainrange at some stage to join up with people, midweek or weekends, I don't mind. It should be a 4 day minimum, driving up night before, camping at the Geehi picnic shelter. I am always a fan of the $25 trip up the Thredbo chair, then camp at Muellers pass, otherwise you waste the whole day getting in. Not an area for those for thier first BC trip though....

    I sometimes tow a sled out there too for more luxury gear if spending longer than a week [​IMG]

    As an aside, who's interested in the crosscut saw in first 10 days of August, ski in from the Bluff?
     
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  26. Yoz

    Yoz First Runs

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    I believe the correct term for such a gathering is actually a "tower" of Giraffes.
    :nerd:
     
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  27. Belly

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    LBC sounds good for Vic punters, expression of interest for sure
     
  28. Mr Bent Knee

    Mr Bent Knee First Runs

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    Yeah....sounds ok....I can skip heaps of uni....

    -peace-
     
  29. telemark fred

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    Count me in if its a weekend. [​IMG]
    Anyone care to bandy about a few dates? 19/20 August is good for me, as is 2/3 sept. 22/23 July may be a goer too.

    This would be my suggestion too - especially for a group ranging from beginner to experts. At the treeline there is a nice intermediate slope off south ramshead, and its a fairly short hike to more challenging terrain like leatherbarrel creek. Then of course there is the easy bail-out option to the gap should it be needed.

    Those that dont want to skin up the big hill with a pack (its not that big), have the option of the thredbo chair and then traverse in across the top of bogong creek.
     
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  30. Majikthise

    Majikthise Sage Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    When's telefest is the important consideration?
    Chairlift up, camping in the trees on the side of Bogong creek, return car at DHG would be a sound option. The only other suggestion would be Twin Valleys but the return is a slog, (unless of course you returned to PB and skitube...Mid Ramshead Traverse hmmm)
     
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    Apologies to the experienced in here who will find the following self evident and tedious, but the weather and snowpack may be an important factor for some to consider when nominating preferred dates. Its highly variable of course, but more in BC than the resorts due to lack of grooming etc [​IMG]

    Snow cover - In June the snow pack is variable from non-existant to acceptable. There should be enough cover from mid July through till end of October at least.

    Surface - Snow falls occur sporadically throughout the season, but July/August get more and bigger falls and the surface stays good for longer afterwards cos its colder. (ie - better chance of fresh snow). Those months are also windy, so wind packed breakable crust etc is prevalent. By Sept spring conditions are more common, with a frozen solid bulletproof surface till 10am, softening to mush by afternoon being the norm.

    Weather - more ferocious weather to be expected in late July and early august. The best snow surface occurs when the weather is most vile (ie - snowing, but poor vis and bloody windy). There are more sunny still days in Sept/Oct - leading to the surface conditions mentioned above.

    Just some thoughts. [​IMG]
    Not everybody wants to do their first snow camp in crap weather. [​IMG]
     
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    date wise weekends are all free of anything that I can't get out of. I also have a uni break from 18th sep -->1 oct. Ontop of this ican skip out of uni if it doesnt lead to missing pracs but i wont know my semester 2 timetable for a while.
    seeing as it's more of a socialish kind of thing maybe we should shoot for mid august or leave it till september for spring conditions.


    Many other people who are thinking of going Victorian and have as little clue about the places mentioned as myself? At this stage i'd be looking to drive up with some toher vics and maybe hook up with a local to play tour-guide for the tour in if no-one else in the car knows the area.

    ...screw this, i'm gettin antsy. Who wants to hook up before this event and ski the main range with me? :p
     
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    I'd be keen I reckon. Would love to spend 4 or 5 days out there if I could get the time.
     
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    VSG, DHG and surrounds map please, I dont have the link you use for NSW maps.
     
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    Are there NSW NPWS group size limitations?
     
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  37. Shrek

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    this isnt a group, its just a random mob
     
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    I think at least early Sept will be best. Get over the main weather systems of winter and then its just luck really for a planned weekend but a better chance of nice weather.

    I'd be up for it tho !!
     
  39. Little Tiger

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    besides CM said persons ... so ogres do NOT count....
     
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  41. simo_tele

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    hey! I will not tollerate ogre racisim on this trip, all BC species are welcome.
    :p
    Is everyone happy with early/mid september. I am although ideally it would be from the 18th+ if it was in sep as a bit earlier would see me in mid semester assesments which could really screw with plans.
     
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    Count me out if it's that late - I'll be getting ready for my summer season down south.

    I'll be heading up to my usual campsite at Meullers Pass in the last half of July or late August (maybe also early August if the Crosscut is no good). And when not there, I'll be at Feathertop or Bogong.
     
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    and for the Victorians, who are a bit frightened of the effects of such lofty heights in the NSW Main Range, Western Faces, .. this table of peaks might inspire your to overcome your fears of such thinly oxygenated heights.. seeing as your two premier peaks are so small...

    [​IMG]
     
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  45. Belly

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    Rather than be preoccupied with size, we prefer to embrace diversity
     
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    hmm.. lift up Crackenback traverse 3-4km to camp at headwaters of trapyard creek, play in twin valleys, ski out to skitube where a car awaits. Don't know whjy I haven't thought of it before. [​IMG]
     
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    Touche'. [​IMG] And we have no diversity? mmm. I think the Kosci NP, from top to bottom, side to side.. is the most diverse environment contained in one NP, in Oz. From 400m asl temperate valleys, to 2200m peaks glacially impacted. Not bad.

    Having said that, I miss the alpine ash and temperate rainforests of the Vic alpine country. [​IMG]
     
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  48. mr

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    hey isnt this fruitful argument meant to be in the other thread NSW v Vic?
     
  49. Belly

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    Ha ha, yes well, couldn't resist, probably more of an underhanded dig at cronulla incidents more than anything.

    Anyway, back on track. Even though we can't plan the weather, if we go mid to late September a Guthega jump off would probably be more the go then?
     
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    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    1st week end in Sept is telefest.

    2nd weekend in Sept is pencilled as possible APSI telemark level 2 (plus I think the Thurs & Fri before).