BC tents....?

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  1. PiedPiper

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    So i've done a fair bit of day trips out and about in the BC.
    Looking to step up to over-nighters and more, but i have a Q. about tents.

    Whats so special about a BC tent?
    Is it just the weight and ability to pack it into a small space?
    Or are they any warmer than a "normal" tent?
    Are there other features that I'm missing out on?

    I have a few "normal" 2 and 3 people tents, for normal camping, but there are huge when they pack up so useless for touring and probably too big for just me or me + 1 in the BC.

    so yeah whats the deal?
     
  2. skifree

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    Heated floor & pool room.

    Or look through the One Planet or Mont ranges, you are looking for 4 season tents.
     
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    My "W.E. " 4 seasons tent has copped every kind of bad weather and it is still working. It is bullet proof. Gale force winds, 30 cm overnight snowfall and blizzards, pelting rain , the weather in the Oz Alps can kill you but inside my tent I feel secure and cozy.
     
  4. 7wombathead

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    A four season tent is a game changer.
     
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    Strength, stability, fabric rather than mesh inner, maybe flaps on the fly skirt, decent vestibule(s) for all the kit. Models with a white fly prove frustrating.
     
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    As above three season typically has partial mesh inner. When you get wind under side flaps you get a nice covering of spin drift inside.
     
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    Capacity to shed snow under load (structure), breathability ( avoid moisture build-up) capacity to deal with snow-drift, capacity to manage wind-stress (design, cross-over poles, stitching), single pitch (inner suspened within outer), vestibule for longer-term occupancy in bad weather, durable groundsheet, lightweight construction....
     
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  8. GS

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    They cost a fortune
     
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    No love for msr?
     
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    Hilleberg. Speak no more.
     
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    The Olympus has been used by expeditions over the years and ticks a lot of boxes. Used to come in a version with fly skirts. Bombproof. Space to weight ratio not stellar though.
    If weight is critical look at the One Planet one-person 4 season models.
     
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    Agree. Saved up and bought a Hilleberg. Absolute beast. I have a Nammatj 3 GT, super roomy and bombproof.

    Otherwise, check out Wilderness Equipment tents, Mont Epoch, Macpac Olympus (needs sealing), MSR can be good but theres so many of them now its hard to work out which one...
     
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    Plus one for Wilderness equipment tents. They have an ultra light 4 seasons tent in their list of products which may end up being my next tent in a few years perhaps.
     
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    I have a WE First Arrow and have been very happy with it, 2 particular outings it really stood up, one was very strong winds, the other was that + a foot of snow.

    A couple of mates of mine have Exped Venus III - they are like a palace. The dual side vestibules are huge and very useful, I spent a week on the Main Range in one and my mate and I didn't get sick of each other so that was a pretty good sign. The tunnel design of the WE would mean that with one opening you are climbing over each other a bit.

    But they way the WE is designed, if you pitch it with the end into the wind, it just hunkers down with the gusts, very clever design.
     
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    WE x4 ;)
     
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    Way to heavy. Max weight 1.5 kg.
     
  17. 7wombathead

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    Bibler Tents (black diamond) are the go for bomb proof, light weight.

    Need solo tent.

    For weight, hiking, wanking, and snoring.:(

    Not enough snow bunnies out there of the opposite sex (male / female) to share my tent with.
     
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    Why are 4 seasons tents so exy? Would a 3 season be fine??
     
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    I use a 3 season most of the time, but not in mid winter, when you are likely to get snow. 3 season is lighter, and fine in the 3 seasons! You can kind of get away with it, by burying the fly edges, and closing any vents, but then you get condo.
     
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    A shovel and a bivy bag also work.
     
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    Depends on the brand but 3 season tents often have mesh inners whereas 4 season have nylon - with a mesh inner you could wake up covered in spindrift, also nowhere near as warm.
     
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    I've done a tarp above and ground sheet before, you just gotta make a few snow walls in case of wind.

    If bad weather rolls in, you'll wish for a 4 season tent!

    Sure Hilleberg isnt the lightest, but if you're in a bad spot of weather, you'll want some space for your pack, whisky and cards... my hilleberg without the inner can almost sleep 4, with packs. So between 3 people, its close to 1kg per person.

    If its later Sept, i'd opt straight back to the tarp or hammock setup to be solo & lightweight again. But my wife joins me, so the Hilleberg is an investment.
     
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    Interesting, so you obviously get what you pay for. I might go for a 3 seasons because if it's snowing it's guts out i'll be skiing in resort.:)
     
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    A friend paddled his kayak around Australia, and experienced many types of sand. In a 3 season tent. Once he woke up with about an inch covering everything. Thats the difference.

    But as a fair weather camper, I have never had a problem with my 3 season.
     
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  25. Vanders

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    I've seen a lot of people use macpac minarets, and they're not nearly as expensive as a true 4 season tent. That could be a good compromise for lighter storms.
    I personally love the tunnel style tents as they shave some weight. You'll just need to angle them correctly into the wind.
    The toughest, geodesic style, are awesome, but heavy and slower to get up.
     
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    Must need a Kassborer to flatten out the room for it!!*








    *I have a nallo 2 GT - thing is over 5m long!![/[/QUOTE]
     
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    Speed and ease to put up is critical. A good tent pays for itself the day you need it up in a hurry/emergency.
    WE first arrow owner.
     
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    Absolutely. Don't waste time out there mixing up poles etc.
    I alllllmmoost bought a first arrow, instead of the big H. The deciding factor was for the larger vestibule. Otherwise, I really love the WE Arrow tents. Cannot improve much on WE.
     
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    I'd like a quiver of tents.
     
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    We use a combination of Bibler (Black Diamond tents). The two person Awahnee for short trips (that's it in the avatar with a vestibule added on) and the Bombshelter for 5 day plus. Both are made from the same material which is single skin called Toddtex. The tents are really bomb proof. The material as a single skin does not cause dripping (though we vent it well and it cuts wind. We still construct snow-walls and like to be very cosy and not worry in huge winds. They are incredibly strong tents. I wasn't sold on the single skin until I camped in these.
    My partner has at least another 6 Bibler/ Black Diamond tents in storage that are all new in a range of models (including Fitzroy). I am trying to persuade him to part with them, but you know, you never know apparently when you might need 10 tents all at once!! Off topic, I have a Mutha Hubba that is now never used and only has 6 nights on it which I might list sometime.
     
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  31. Ziggy

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    See the sale ad in a UK camping shop? 'This is the winter of our discount tents'.
     
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    Love that!
     
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    Nice, but does this fabric rattle?

    In the Mist Grey it might be hard to find to find the tent on those flat light days.
     
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    I like my BD Eldorado.
    It's been out in storms, pah no problem.
    No fly. Less to worry about. Less grams.
    The "Toddtex" wicks well. Even with @The Bush Patrol's heavy breathing in it with me one night out near Sentinel Ridge.
    It's a good thing. The Eldorado that is ;)
    [​IMG]
    BD Stock image.
     
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    Tent Club.
    What goes on it the tent stays in the tent!
     
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    Not baggin' him. We were in separate bags ... all night.
     
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    I had one of those tents for about 15 years. A real winner.
     
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    The Minaret has a solid rep as workhorse that will sleep two in the alpine in NZ, but yeah, you do need to align correctly. And tbh, it's a pain in the ass to pitch in anything other than ideal conditions.
     
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    Mont Epoch owner from way back, heavy but TBH I don't ever have to ask it if it's up for a bash....
     
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    I've not personally used a Cuben/Dyneema tent so I'm not sure if noise is a particular issue with such fabrics. Has anyone out there had any experience with the stuff?

    According to some information on the manufacturer's web page Dyneema fibres are white and to add colour, different and therefore heavier materials need to be woven into the fabric which then defeats the weight saving purpose of using it. I guess this explains why the tents and tarps made with this stuff (such as the ones from Mountain Laural Designs) are usually white or some other quite pale colour. It sounds neat that they have now figured out a way to make the fabric breathable. Hopefully they can also do something about the price of it in due course.
     
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    Thats not acceptable treatment of the ladies these dayz. Apparently she has to say "hell yeah" before you can work your magic.
     
  44. Rabid K9

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    [/QUOTE]

    Have the Kaitum 3GT. Thing is palatial, could have a thrash up with six Scando tent testing lasses & still have room to boil the stove in vestibule. Love the versatility, the extended vestibule is a thing of joy during wet weather. Find it can be harder to get a 'neat' pitch (especially after the six Scando's have visited) than 'simple' tunnels like the Macpac Olympus & WE Arrows.

    Certainly isn't featherweight, am hoping my son's ability to carry heavy loads increases at the same time as my tolerance to 40kg+ packs decreases. And yes, do need a light aircraft runway or polar icecap to accommodate it.

    One thing I was always wary of with the Minaret, it's very easy to throw a rat in with the hapless sleeping occupant, cable tie the single entrance shut & listen to the ensuing drama. Not that I would ever do such a horrible thing.

    ** Note: Lizards are easier to catch in the field than rodents & invoke more satisfying screams of raw horror from Kiwi's.

     
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    I had this made for me by Locus Gear in Japan for winter trips. Its "red" DCF and weighs 800g. I have had a lot of Cuben shelters over the years and never found the flapping worse than nylon or other materials.


     
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    I have the Macpac Minaret, Macpac Olympus, and Hilleberg Kaitum 3GT. Minaret is not big enough for two and has a low ceiling, recommend as a solo tent for shorter people. Olympus has adequate room and height at 3.1kg. For an extra 1kg the Kaitum 3GT is huge and very liveable if bad weather forces you to spend time in the tent. Always happy to carry the weight of the Olympus or Kaitum 3GT for winter camping.
     
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    'Happy' can be very subjective!!

    My Olympus has so much repair tape, think it is actually heavier than my Kaitum.
     
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    4th season tents [ ie" A true Winter only tent] are not expensive when compared to a funeral or a new pair of skies and bindings.
    I like my Minaret for solo use, it's a reasonable balance of weight/room and strength and I find it easy to put up, new and on sale about the same price as a nite in any 5 star Aussie ski resort. As a general rule I would say that a tunnel for the wind [ or a tipi] and a 4/5 pole geodesic dome or hybrid for snow load. But a budget of around $1200/$1500- sounds reasonable for a true 2/3 person winter tent
    I am too scared to tell my beloved what my own new Arctic rated winter tent cost so I've not told her I want to buy one. Ditto a new deep winter sleeping bag/ down parka etc Actually I did tell her about the new Mont Icicle and I am still getting an earache about that
     
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    Luckily my wife is a golfer, so we have a "don't ask don't tell" policy when it comes to gear. :)
     
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    Fark - i'm a golfer and a skier. +1 not really into any sort of gear. I'm stuffed.