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Advice needed Bellows protection on plastic telemark boots

Discussion in 'Equipment' started by teleroo, Aug 21, 2019.

  1. teleroo

    teleroo One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    My new skis really seem to be chomping into the bellows of my new telemark boots. Any suggestions as to something to stick on the bellows to protect them? I'm thinking of trying that sticky aluminium tape used for roof repairs.

    Any better ideas out there?

     
  2. skifree

    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Get some waterproof socks.
     
  3. buckwheat

    buckwheat One of Us

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    They don't look too bad. I got 10 seasons from my old t1s before i wore through the bellows.
     
  4. teleroo

    teleroo One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    They aren't bad yet. Just trying to be on the front foot LOL.
     
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    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    You might be able to weld them with a heat gun. Iv'e done this on plastic rain water tanks, but that is pretty cheap plastic.

    Maybe save the scrapings that are hanging off for practice before trying the real thing?
     
  6. teleroo

    teleroo One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Only superficial at this point. Just don't want a perfectly good pair of boots stuffed for something hopefully preventable. Going to roof place today.
     
  7. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Synergy's? They are a bit softer than the T1's, but should wear much the same. My old tx Pro were just about through the guards, and about to begin on the bellows. They had about 200 or so days.
     
  8. teleroo

    teleroo One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Yeh Synergy's I think. Edit: Garmont Genesis in fact.
     
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    Detune the edges around the tip and back around 300mm, seems to slow down tele boot damage in my experience.
     
  10. teleroo

    teleroo One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Hmm. Edges definitely very sharp as new skis. Will have a think about this one.

    I had heard of tip and tail edge de-tuning as a thing to do to prevent unwanted edge catching. But bloke at ski shop talked me out of it for these skis.
     
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    zac150 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    If it’s just cosmetic damage you could try a vinyl wrap or the skin used on mtn bike frames. A cheap fix would be a little shoe goo applied lightly.

    I would be hesitant to use something that may damage the ski
     
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    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    The best way to reduce, prevent the damage is to ski better.
     
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    stansi One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Shoe goo works good. I got My last tube from Rebel Sports.
     
  14. Telemark Phat

    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    Sorry but 1. ''its just a flesh wound "
    2.your technique too much crossover not enough carving =mine are OK after 14 years
    Failing that the helicopter tape people use on carbon fibre bike frames for protection.
     
  16. teleroo

    teleroo One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    All hope for that evaporated years ago...
     
  17. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    It just takes a good instructor, and spending some time actually doing the drills. I still ski drills, even though I ski like a god.

    Haha, does remind me of a time, maybe 25-30 years ago, when a guy in a store that I was buying some skis from (Morrotto Legends, I thought they were as phat as alpine skis!) pulls out his skis to show me what a good tele's skis looked like. They were smashed on the inside edge of the top sheets, fore and aft. This was before the time of GH, and the book said to lock the tip of the rear ski, into the boot/binding of the lead. We were suitably impressed at the time.
     
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    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    It's never to late, like @telecrag I started freeheel skiing a little while ago and still put a lot of effort into to improvement. Probably always will. Telemark godness is a long way off.
     
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  19. teleroo

    teleroo One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Was a light hearted comment. Still keen on skills improvement, bloke I did a few runs with at Selwyn last week was a Technique Nut, spent most of the day doing drills (alpine, not tele). Anyway, gave me a few drills (which helped me) and the name of some bloke, Harald Harb who had a few books/vids/website. I'll follow that stuff up.

    I'm finding books and self study more economical than lessons right now. Putting instructor $ into the kids ATM (alpine only at Selwyn). Having said that, I was super impressed my 12 yo daughter could telemark down Racecourse run at Selwyn last weekend. Second year skiing, first on teles (dad ski school).
     
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    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Haha, tele lessons are expensive, as its a private. If you ever get the chance to do an APSI L1 course, go for it, very affordable in comparison. Or if anyone ever gets a telefest back up, they also are great value.

    Problem with tele, is that it has come from a self teach background. The new batch are almost all coming over from Alpine, and the teaching side has been improving quite a lot IMO in the time I have interacted. I was self taught, from an xc touring background. I still remember the thrill when I finally "felt" it, out at Jagungal. Climbed the ridge three times! Then that inspired us to do a day at Selwyn, to work on it, black run first day! We were bloody heros!

    When I first started doing proper resort days, pretty much everyone would be telling you how amazing and great you were. So then egos get in the way. Then I saw someone really telemarking, Cosmic it was. And I said to my mate, Im going to do that one day. That was at least 25 years ago. I hope my journey never ends.
     
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  21. teleroo

    teleroo One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Lots of ditto there in my case.
     
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    I ski Goderer, if I don’t I get stuck behind you and can’t ski through the tickets ;)
     
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    If boot damage is a sign of poor technique, then i am rooted! My tx pros are now through the black plastic on the scuff guard, and into the red plastic underneath. Bellows still fine but will wear through the inner guard in another 2 seasons i reckon.
     
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    IMO the best way to improve is to ski the lifts off piste a lot. get a lesson from someone who knows.
    Best way to learn to really ski challenging stuff is to throw yourself down an exposed slope in the Main Range when the spring snow and vis are good.
     
  25. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    My old shells had around the 200 days mark, and were just through the guards. My wire on the crucial buckle broke, so I swapped to new shells that I had waiting, and now I reckon those shells were about done, in that they have softened noticably, and the duckbutt is worn.

    You will always get some ski strike IMO, usually when an inside edge lets go, or when you are getting right down and funky.
     
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    Going with this for a trial. Three layers of roof repair tape (aluminium with sticky goop). Aluminium wasn't as thick as what I'd hoped for, but sticky goop was goopier so allowed for better molding.

     
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    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    IMO, if you are hitting there, rather than at the bolt/guard, try not going as far back with your rear foot. Im a bit old school, low style, but if that rear foot goes too far back, your pressure goes off that ski too much. and the tip is hitting the boot.

    Stance drill, standing still, slide into stance, check how far back you are going, your rear thigh should be vertical, your toe of rear boot should be fairly close to the heel of the other. Try jumping up, and landing in stance, if your rear foot is too far back you will not feel as balanced as if it is correct(ish).
     
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    I think you're being over cautious and will probably develop more PITAs than effective solutions.

    Your boots are designed to take hits from your skis, amongst other things.

    I realise you've invested in your new gear and want to get the longest life out of it as possible. But sometimes adding things isn't the answer. I believe your fix will result is a sticky mess on your boots after the tape falls off. Which will probably be sooner rather than later.

    Proper boot maintenance and care should provide the long life you require.
     
  29. Telemark Phat

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    That boot model has been discontinued for more than a decade. They have already provided a good ROI.
     
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  30. teleroo

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    I just bought em new in Feb 2019.
     
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    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Old plastic won't help.
     
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    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    Plastic degrades over time. I have a friend with very small feet who found a pair of T2s of similar vintage and on her 3rd day in those boots the forward lean mechanism exploded.