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Discussion in 'Snow Talk' started by zac150, Feb 15, 2020.
Yep a skier took out the kids and I on Mt P
Mad River Glen
Another Long Traverse Again
Naa. Everywhere outside of Asia Snowboarding is in decline.
Been taken out evenly by both skiers and boarders over the years. None more than the other. More so, hit over the head by skiers who have no idea how to carry skis or space awareness.
Yeah I think this is mostly the case, we have a friend whose snowboarder kid received brain damage when hit by a skier and slammed into a snow gun. Zero excuse given the relative location of both, and proximity to the gun.
I think years ago, the boarder skier thing had a bit more substance to it, when skiers just didn't know how to respond to the influx of boarders (mainly inexperienced and unaware of snow protocol), who unlike beginner skiers could within a day or two of getting on the snow, roam all over the mountain. As snowboarding has evolved as a sport you see more and more boarders actually carving and to some extent taking a skiers line.
But nowadays, I reckon I see equal stupidity from both groups
I'm not weighing in on the argument, just trying to remember an old funny Jimeoin radio commercial, and yes I do know it was actually advertising the dark side.
"I was standing looking at the view the other day, when a snow boarder came up and introduced himself, and have you ever noticed that a snowboarder always introduces himself the same way, he said....................
Sorry mate, didn't see you there".
I actually have noticed a LOT more skiers around this year at P actaully. so i wonder if it is declining here too?
All my mates (18 year olds) are skiers, and I don’t know many snowboarders at all my age. In saying that I noticed there were less than usual this year across both Perisher and Thredbo in general.
I'm with @Jonathan_P and @Newsteve on this having also been taken out from behind by a snowboarder on a green "access" run at Lake Louise a few years ago. Ruined my holiday on Day 4 and my knee now has arthritis. He also yelled out "watch out" too late for me to do anything to get out of his way. He was of course uninjured and sped off. The resorts did seem to be pushing boarding for awhile perhaps because it is easier to get going but this seems to have abated which is a good thing imo.
I've skied two of those !
The person in charge of ski hire at Perisher told me snowboarding had been stable at 30% of rentals for some years. Now obviously that does not necessarily reflect the total numbers on mountain, or even the experience of other more budget or premium rental suppliers. However, it was interesting to hear it was stable, not declining.
Out of control anything concerns me (skiers or boarders) have nothing against snowboarding, though at my stage in life unlikely to give it a try.
My issue is people seem to go down runs that they probably should not.
My two cents on snowboarding % etc.
The growth in snowboarding recently has been in the 20 something gangs. Usually camping in our van park. These crew aren't there in numbers this year.
Families and keen skiers seem to over represented at Perisher.
FYI. Every kid I know under 15 boards....
Please explain: "tradiotional wood gouge"?
And now their mums are into it too .
A curved chisel used to carve wood.
While I’ve seen equal stupidity and lack of control from both skiers and boarders, the boarders win hands down in the general ******* stakes. Jumping in on kids at the small terrain parks or the photo jumps (just after they’ve scanned so the excited kid gets to see some prat in a brown hoodie on their dash). Cutting up lines or bellendery with kids on the small ski cross tracks, again it’s the preserve of the lesser testicled boarder I’m afraid.
Instead of having the annual ski vs snowboard pissing contest, why not merge them together?
I think the expression is "ambition exceeds ability".
Deer Valley too but I hear you pay dearly for the privilege.
Also the best argument for actual discrimination/compensation - the Ikon Pass includes 7 days at Deer Valley, which is not redeemable for snowboarders.
Have tried! I know it's off topic but to rectify, I observe no monoskis @ perisher
Why skiers carry poles .... to skewer boarders who get too close.
Stay safe people, keep a wide birth.
PS .... at Thredbo it's hip swivel skiers in high tech outfits that are the close passing scourge.
If you ski faster than everyone else you can’t get collected from behind.
There were two blokes ripping up the hill on monos a fortnight ago
Go fast and yell "watch out"
Sir, please, you don't want to go there.
The demographic you're referring too is an age bracket, not related to what they're riding. Kids do what kids do.
Have you seen the teen ski equivalent? Tall hoodies to their knees, helmet over chunky beanie and twin tip skis...shudder...
This. .in. spades
Right on. Nothing to do with snow riding option, more to do with the individual. It is a cheap shot to gauge one pref for snow riding is less than the other. Idiots on both sides.
Austria is well and truely the country of try to spot the snowboarder. Would have been lucky to see 20 over the 3 weeks I spent at Kaltenbach in December/January.
Well I’ve yet to have the same issue with skiers of the same ‘style’ so I can’t account for their actions. I’d like to think it’s an age thing and that they’d grow out of it, but specimens looking to be well north of 30 suggest otherwise. That or they had the toughest paper rounds seen as kids....
It has been in decline here for 15 years.
Snowboarding was and too often still is marketed as youthful and rebellious. Shame that kids look at the marketing and then see their grandparents on a board. Burton is trying very hard to shift from that image but they haven't found the new formula yet. Other than splitting the rest of the industry is mostly dragging their feet.
Glacial alpine terrain is difficult on a board below a certain skill level.
I’m going to bring Mr 23 y/o down in a couple of weeks. He is going to snowboard. I’ve had him skiing since pretty young and although he doesn’t get down very often, he gets around pretty well on skis. He went to Japan for a couple of weeks skiing with his mates in January 2019 and had so much trouble with his ski boots that he tried snowboarding so he could get his feet in more comfortable boots. He is a semi sponsored surfer and he said it just felt more natural to him to board. So I will take him down to snowboard with me (I’ll be skiing) for the first time. Sometimes you just have to accept your kids lifestyle choices.
Austria home of some of the best racing snowboards SG
And FWIW we are ALL waaayyy off topic in this thread at the moment......... Hence the scantily clad lady*
*Lady.... and when I say lady i mean???
Deer Valley and Alta are great resorts. Amazing how different them feel
Alta has a nasty vibe on a pow day, makes the Sands or Selina's feel like a friendly pub where people never punch on.
The cake eaters are OK. Its the Japanese carvers who blow my mind with their riding
Kaltenbach isn't glacial. The terrain for a lot of it is pretty much intermediate level ( with a really big spider)
When I lived in Austria this is how all my local friends would ride. Long carve boards and hard boots and bindings. Feet very forward facing. Every turn would be a full layout with zero G through the transition. People would just stop a stare. It was beautiful to watch. They would ride the same boards in the off piste. Also throw crazy air and back flips off of anything. Sometimes they would come out to play on skis and absolutely kill it as well. Oh to have been born in a European ski resort.
Japanese also make good boards...posted this before, but here are some euros
Not just hitting the pole, it would pull the cable off at times. There are only two lifts, and the second only goes to mid-mountain and serves beginner/intermediate terrain. The co-op paid big bucks to restore the single chair instead of replacing it with a double. The original was built in the 1930s.
But what really did it was when a few boarders were nasty to the owner. She was the widow of the man who brought MRG back to life in the 1970s. She decided after the incident that they could just go find themselves somewhere else to slide. It's not as if there aren't other places with lifts in Vermont. Sugarbush (recently bought by Alterra) is just a few miles down the road.
Cannot go straight down a Euro length run then heel side stop at the bottom.
A good boarder that can link turns with precision and style is a beautiful sight.
Only ever met a few
or twenty times in between with no logic or predictable timing to it.
a few of the boys ( and girls) from down my way have it.
prolly the surf back ground gives them the good instinctive feel for the lines.
I do know a couple from down your way that are incredibly beautiful to watch. Old school, power n style, everywhere.
Japanese make it an art form.
Agree, but I'd add beautiful technique in any sliding endeavour is fixating