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Bit sick of the anti snowboard news

Discussion in 'Snow Talk' started by zac150, Feb 15, 2020.

  1. toomuchwork

    toomuchwork Hard Yards

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    They seem pretty good at naturally taking my lines and cutting up perfectly good fresh powder with super wide turns!
     
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  2. dawooduck

    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yeh Nah

    I think we all have to recognise that mostly people are fully unaware of anything outside of their bubble.

    Slightly organized random chaos.
     
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    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    I agree but then ya got your two abreast meandering on the highway in the same mental segment as stopping in the middle of a ski run.
     
  4. chicski

    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    I don't do either!
     
  5. dawooduck

    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    How many skiers do you see doing loosely linked hockey stops down a run ?

    Round turns ya'all, get some styles going.
     
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  6. dawooduck

    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    It's up to the aware to keep the unaware safe. :thumbs:
     
  7. Interruptedbyfireworks

    Interruptedbyfireworks One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    The only thing that I get really annoyed at (ok other than being flat out collided with) is when people get up from sitting/falling/strapping in or whatever and start down the run without looking up first. Literally every lesson I’ve ever had the instructor went on and on about that. Drives me insane being cut off by what was previously a stationary obstacle!
     
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  8. dawooduck

    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    This ... merging smoothly into traffic is a skill
     
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    Donzah Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    My daughter. Will happily ski P

     
  10. Donzah

    Donzah Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    But is intimidated AF at P on a board
    Pic from os
     
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  11. Sage Oya

    Sage Oya Like the herb, lover of Pabst, cup ramen devotee Ski Pass: Gold

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    100%
     
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  12. skichanger

    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    You have more control on skis.

    And have I poked the bear?
     
  13. Donzah

    Donzah Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Not in powder
     
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    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yeah that one is debatable.

    But on ice? which we get more of than powder in Aus.
     
  15. Donzah

    Donzah Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    No. It's not.
    At all.
    There's a reason for the resurgence in deep powder BC... And that's purely based on snowboarding tech and experience
     
  16. Sage Oya

    Sage Oya Like the herb, lover of Pabst, cup ramen devotee Ski Pass: Gold

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    Having enjoyed both skiing and snowboarding I think the next logical step is to try a mono LOL
     
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  17. skichanger

    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    You need someone who is equally competent on both to answer that. The people I know who guide in Japan ski.
     
  18. skichanger

    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    I just asked my mogul skier about this. He agrees with you about one thing. It is not debatable. But you won’t like the rest of his answer. Skis are better because on them you are more agile. If boards are better you are not fit enough.
     
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  19. Untele-whippet

    Untele-whippet beard stroker Ski Pass: Gold

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    BC is mostly about the up.
    Split boards need to catch up on the up re weight, bindings and boots but yes on the down.....
     
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  20. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    They’re so far ahead of bootpacking it’s not funny though.
     
  21. Telemark Phat

    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    Maybe 20 years ago, not these days.

    There's nothing wrong with choosing to ride with the tools you think are most fun, despite their utility. I really enjoy making cross country equipment work on the down. Much less control but heaps of fun.
     
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    snowgum One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    I’d be more sympathetic with boarders generally if I didn’t see so many play the hero on runs like slush gully, Hotham.

    As a telehead I’m in awe of what good boarders do both in the park, pipe and off piste, trees and in deep POW BC.

    But a significant minority try a spoilt for the majority using weaker/smaller skiers as slalom gates. Not fun.

    And in crowds hero boarders often pick The one percenter-lines that one can see are going to end badly - usually for those below or next to the boarder. Yes you say, skiers do this too! Even Tele heros do!

    Just boarders do crazy more often - and there’s never enough patrollers handy to strike a ticket.
     
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  23. dawooduck

    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    Bombing Merrits .......
     
  24. DPS Driver

    DPS Driver A Local

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    Let me tell a story which sums it up.

    Last year skiing with my then 13y/o daughter. We were linking back to FF to jump on the GB lift. I'm leading and stop half way down Sundowner on the right side of the run, hard up against the trees to watch my daughter come down and probably yell some sort of instruction, as we do, as parents. Instead of continuing down she decides to pull up next to me, probably 2 metres in from the edge of the run.

    Now there is nobody on the run, not another person in sight, we are well off to the side of the run, there's plenty of snow on the run. Then a single snowboarder comes down and for some unknown reason decides to head straight towards us and run clean into my daughter, just takes her out. WTF. There's an entire run to turn on he decides he wants to come close to us, then fcks up his turn and straight into her. I kid you not 3 people on the entire run, my daughter and I and this clown.

    He ended up with split lip and bloody nose, she came away, unscathed luckily. Why??? It could have been a lot worse.

    I don't have an issue with snowboarders but the mountains have become more dangerous since snowboarding entered the realm. The reason being is the a ski line isn't the same as a snowboard line and with fixed feet on a snowboard your circle of vision isn't as wide. This creates different paths down the mountain which increases the opportunity to cross paths. No ones fault it just is what it is.

    Dickheads are dickheads regardless of the choice of vehicle and that factor will always stand. But.....
     
  25. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    I have watched exactly this happen several times.
     
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  26. jonathanc

    jonathanc One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    I am super hesitant to make a serious post in a thread like this (or more generally) but I think that boarders tend to have a lower propensity to get lessons and just learn from mates, which leads to a lack of awareness around alpine code and general skiing etiquette.

    I've been doing it for ~25 years (including a few years of both skiing and boarding at the start), am generally moving faster than the vast majority of traffic on the hill and have never crashed into anyone, and the only times I've ever been crashed into were:
    1. Someone crashed into the back of me while I was putting my board on the rack outside the bistro
    2. Someone crashed into the lift line - saw it coming but was stuck in the queue*
    I rarely become frustrated with other skiers / boarders. Just keep eyes up, expect that they're inexperienced and won't look before traversing, read what they're doing and if they're too erratic be patient and give them a wide berth.

    I tend to think that people who have constant issues with being crashed into may need to consider their contribution to the problem?

    *Funnily enough, both of those occasions were at Perisher and both were male boarders in their 40s-50s - make of that what you will LOL
     
  27. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    Another very good point.

    My MIL thinks she is a great driver.
    Her insurer disagrees.
    It is not all down to bad luck or other people being bad drivers.

    Oh how frustrating - and comical at the same time. I had a similar situation in Hirafu the year before last (or was it last season - bloody covid! I’ve lost track!) the fellow came ALL the way across the very wide run and straight into me. I was up against a tree so couldn’t be further away from traffic, and didn’t move even though I kept an eye on him as I was sure he would either turn or drop - there was so much time, opportunity and ability for all those things to happen. He totally stuffed my knuckle but very nearly my face and neck which could’ve been disastrous as he went down on impact and raised the board into the air as he did.

    What happened here, and with your case was an inexperienced boarder, probably someone who skipped lessons, or only did the one, who was watching the one thing/person on the piste they didn’t want to hit and lo and behold where do they go...? If you don’t want to hit the tree/pole/person/patch of ice - don’t LOOK at it! People like this would do the same thing on skis, however they may not be on that run with you because you can’t really sideslip down a run on skis like you can on a board.

    The ability to falling leaf your way down something out of your ability level is GREAT because it means you can get down most things without needing a teary lift from ski patrol. But the flip side is it means plenty of people are snowboarding terrain that is out of their ability level without realising it is out of their ability level.

    If you’re doing side hits on busy beginner runs, bombing Merritt’s and freaking out newbies or skiing/riding down beginner or intermediate terrain with a selfie stick (trained on you not your cute kids) then my big tip for a Wednesday is you need a lesson and you’re not as good as your ego suggests.

    I really think the more of this kind of info that gets shared in lessons, the more gets shared outside of lessons.
     
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  28. dawooduck

    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    Survived another day ....

    Volunteer ski patrol close passing o_O

    Poles stayed holstered
     
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  29. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    Why?
    You’ve got them; a nice wide tuck should sort them out!
     
  30. skichanger

    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    ?? What do you mean you cannot side slip on skis? I reckon you can even do something a bit like falling leaf.
     
  31. skichanger

    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    I think he may mean he did not use them as a weapon.
     
  32. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    It’s not really the same thing though is it.
    A heelside falling leaf can get you down the hill relatively fast. A ski side slip or back and forth is a massive energy expenditure, not terribly efficient and the skier is under no miscomprehension that they’re “skiing” the hill.
     
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    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    Exactly.
    That’s why I asked why he didn’t LOL
     
  34. Telemark Phat

    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yep, beginner skiers will panic long before beginner snowboarders because of the falling leaf.
     
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  35. dawooduck

    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    Indeed boarder " falling leaf" is a basic beginner skill whilst efficient "falling leaf" on skis is an upper intermediate skill.

    "Energy" required is relatively the same
     
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    Interruptedbyfireworks One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    I must say though (and this is as a boarder) if I see some 6ft dude in hire snowboard boots and struggling to skate in the lift line, I’ll be like you take this one buddy I’ll wait for the next LOL beginner and even intermediate boarders getting off lifts can be rubbish
     
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    DPS Driver A Local

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    Being aware of your surroundings, with a good set of ears and peripheral vision are great tool for any skier /boarder. Has helped me avoid many an incident.

    Likewise being solid on the planks with a good strong shoulder has come in handy as well.
     
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    DPS Driver A Local

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    They're fun sharing a T-bar with.
     
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  39. Interruptedbyfireworks

    Interruptedbyfireworks One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Haha oh dear, I can just imagine.

    That’s gotta be a positive of COVID ski season!
     
  40. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    Not if you’re a boarder it’s not!! SO much easier riding up with a skier! Or at least another boarder. Solo trips are so much more effort.
     
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    Interruptedbyfireworks One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    True, but I would prefer single to riding someone twice my weight and half my ability LOL though to be fair I’ve never ridden a T bar with another boarder so maybe it’s not as bad as I’m imagining. The worst thing about single T bar riding is the free Pap smear on the steep bits :eek:LOL
     
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    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    ROFL
     
  43. Interruptedbyfireworks

    Interruptedbyfireworks One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Too far? LOL
     
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  44. chicski

    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Never!
     
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    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yep.
    Never.
     
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    jonathanc One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    All my points are very good to excellent. I work hard on the quality of my points.
     
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    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    And ye shall receive likes as a reward :p
     
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    Sadie Chk Chk Boom Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    This is what I’m known for. I’ll often hang back as I’ve sussed out the numpties well ahead of time, before getting on the lift. You can pick them a mile away. They often give you enough time to slip in front of them to make up the required number on the chair in front, whilst they’re shuffling and wobbling about. I prefer to be in front of them, rather than behind.

    If you’re aware of what is around you, you can usually avoid issues. If you can’t read what’s going on, you need to worry a little less about what you’re doing and more about other people.

    The issue is more about dickheads in general, rather than what they ride on.
     
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    Sadie Chk Chk Boom Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Try being 5”0. It’s not only the steep bits but also in a low snow year when the track isn’t built that high.
    International Poma has gotten quite friendly over the years :eek:
     
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    Interruptedbyfireworks One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    I’m glad it’s not just me LOL Antons is a bit like that this year
     
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