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Brumbies KNP Management Plan Review

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by Untele-whippet, Aug 12, 2014.

  1. climberman

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    Because....

    But they are horses!
    Love them!
    Rode one once!
    Stock icons!
    Genetic heritage!
    Light Brigade!
    Foxes!
    Pigs!
    Deer!
    Dogs!
    MFSR!
     
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  2. Untele-whippet

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    You been watching too much Brokeback bro
     
  3. climberman

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    Well, I did spend my teens in Sydney in the 80's and early 90's!
     
  4. Untele-whippet

    Untele-whippet beard stroker Ski Pass: Gold

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    There's a Bonanza of cliches in here pardner
     
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    climberman CloudRide1000 Legend Ski Pass: Gold

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    I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears...in...rain. Time to die.
     
  6. Ubiquitous Steve

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    Untele-whippet beard stroker Ski Pass: Gold

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    At least there are no feral camels up at Seaman's, that would be a bugger :doh:
     
  8. Telemark Phat

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    We're doing this to the dogs, and foxes. Bunnies aren't much better off.



    Aerial culling is stopped because one horse out of 600 wasn't killed with a clean shot, yet that community is more than happy for every baited dog and fox to have the death above.

    Deer culling isn't properly coordinated because of the hunting lobby.
     
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    I like the way people will happily swat a mosi, swat a fly, step on an ant but won't kill something else. A life is a life IMO.
     
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  11. Donza

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    Just for a change
     
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    Kletterer Thredbo Doughnut Tragic Moderator

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    Was that Bladerunner ?
     
  13. Donza

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    Horsie people should be glad.
    The brumbies could have been nuked off the face of the earth
     
  14. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    I see this as a problem, it is an ongoing breeding base that just needs to be lost track of for a season for it's population to double, then double again the next season while people um and arr as what to do and before you know it we are back where we are now, lots of horses doing what they do.
     
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    Kletterer Thredbo Doughnut Tragic Moderator

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    Didnt have this problem in the 70s when we had cattle leases up there.:out:
     
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    Angus_McCrory Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Wear rippled soled shoes to give ants a 50/50 chance..... (Thank you Thin Arthur)
     
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    Its a start and hopefully all these "Save the Brumby" groups will come together and work with the parks to keep things manageable. Once the dust settles there will be very few people left actually involved in "Saving the Brumby".
     
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  18. Ubiquitous Steve

    Ubiquitous Steve Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    next we could devise a management plan to deal with the right wing greenies ....
    running amok over the high country...:p
     
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    running amok shooting brumbies and petting goats .....
     
  20. Untele-whippet

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    Blardy hell it was crowded enuff with the left wing greenies but now we have to contend with the whole flock now the right wing has arrived!
    We need the Lone Ranger and Tonto to save us ;)
     
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    Lonely Ranger has no Silver
     
  22. Telemark Phat

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    The irony of this is that all of the Horses on the Monaro which were sold to the AIS were thoroughbreds, they weren't Brumbies or Whalers.
     
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  23. climberman

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    Yeah. The Tears in the Rain monologue. Great piece.
     
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  24. skinavy

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    Where is the numpty that started going on in this thread and tried to argue, in spite of historical evidence and simple biology, that the brumbies were the offspring of horses returned from WW1? Bring Deejay back, highly entertaining....
     
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  25. Donza

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    Join Jindy FB page.
     
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    So many people want to "save" them, so few want to take one home. There is a certain degree of "cat lady" in the rhetoric.
     
  27. Donza

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    I also find the "i'm a local so I know more" tiresome.
     
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    tonto and lone ranger are busy..Team Bears have them flat out keeping West Kiewa in order....

    Team Bears say left and for that matter right wing greenies need to stay in Chappel St till they have time to think thro the issues while drowning a latte....Bears not sure what the Sydney version is???

    How dare folk challenge the consensus that honourable forum members have reached as a tight group?????

    my god ....they must be trolls perhaps!!!!
     
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    Its a self excluding argument.
     
  30. Donza

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    I did have a laugh at this- off FB
    As a student of a Masters of Conservation Biology, and holding a degree of Biodiversity and Conservation, I can tell you that there is zero ecological grounds for this cull. It will not achieve a control on their numbers or their influence in the system - but no one wants to talk about the real solution because it will piss off the farmers.
    There are two immediate and predictable consequences of the removal of an apex predator from a system; an explosion of mesopedators, and large herbivores, both of which the NPWS are spending millions on controlling each year, along with a fully instated program to continue to keep Dingoes out of their natural range. Without this top down predator control, the new ecological equilibrium IS the over population and vegetation shift associated with an explosion of herbivores. Clearly nothing has been learnt from Yellowstone. The only, and the cheapest, option for restoring balance and controlling invasive in our ecosystem is to fill this ecosystem functional niche with a native predator, and in Australia all but one has been hunted to extinction, unless we want to get into the Rewinding Australia debate.
    So next time your teacher tells you you clearly know nothing of horses, make sure they know they clearly know nothing of ecological principals.
     
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    pity that the dingo is also taking baits...:oops:
     
  32. skifree

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    Drivel, utter drivel.

    They do know it is Australia under discussion?
     
  33. dawooduck

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    A wolf is nominally 2.5 times the size of a dingo .... :confused:o_O
     
  34. Untele-whippet

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    Come on, the apex predator would surely be the alpine drop bear, would it not be Shirley?
     
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    The "were possum" is a fierce predator too.
     
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    What makes you think I'm not already on there? Got say some of the spelling is ovuslalily brilliant....
     
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  37. Donza

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    Ariel?
     
  38. skinavy

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    Saw that and this person should ask for a refund on their uni fees as the university obviously failed to teach them critical thinking or any analytical skills.
     
  39. Donza

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    I called her on it.
    I think...hope...she was taking the piss
     
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    I don't knowmuch about analytical thinking, what was wrong with it?
     
  41. Legs Akimbo

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    Imagine, if you will, a dingo taking down a brumby. Hard, isn't it? The dingo is an apex predator for an ecosystem uncontaminated with horses. And the dingo has only been around for less than 10,000 years, which is a whole different can of herrings.
     
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    Need to read the latest from this "student". Comparing Mountain Lions in California with dingoes in Australia and also that despite the obvious end result will be dingoes or cross breeds crossing onto farms and attacking cattle and sheep, it is preferable to reintroduce dingoes to conducting a planned reduction in numbers over 20 years...
     
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    Doesn't look like it.
     
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    What was the apex predator that is now extinct?
     
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    Thylacine, but that happened long before horses arrived. It was marsupial and probably a bit slow. No match for a horse.
     
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    If everyone owned a wombat .....
     
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    ...... we'd all have mange.
     
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    I'd prefer a sugar glider (which you can get in the states apparently)
     
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    This has been an interesting read , sad I missed it the first time round. I went and studied most of ther linked documentation listed in this thread and came to the conclusion that there are a lot of educated city types , whose closest contact with any horse ( let alone a wild one) was when they went on a merry go round at age 5.
     
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    that's funny...KBoy ....Bears are rolling around in fits....

    The Team are looking for KNP to show leadership and to rename Horse Camp Huts in the Schlink Valley..
    also further north that area to the east of Mackays Hut the Racecourse could further confuse the "Image "that KNP is out to foster....

    hey Bears have the solution..".Merry Go Round Corner" for the above mentioned topographic feature...

    and then over the other side of Happy Jacks area the "Arsenic Ridge" seems seems in sync with baiting strategies aimed at feral dogs(that also knock off sadly the last of the Alpine
    Dingoes...LOL

    Drop Bears indeed just a marketing ploy developed by Parks Vic to keep greenies alert and focused....certainly no sightings of drop bears in West Kiewa Picnic Area say the Team but some campers seem to be taking no risks in overnight camping:they can evacute quickly if any drop bear comes there way..
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