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Brumbies KNP Management Plan Review

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by Untele-whippet, Aug 12, 2014.

  1. Rabid K9

    Rabid K9 A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    The dingo adjust's it hunting behaviour according to prey.

    Singularly they will take small mammals, reptiles, large insects etc.

    In pairs, they hunt wallabies, large reptiles etc. Remember the iconic Jean Paul Ferrero image of two dingo's tackling perentie in a South Australian salt lake.

    In packs, they tackle larger prey, cattle, horses, large macropods etc.

    Before they culled the 'more aggressive' packs on Fraser Island to sate our fear of everything, they frequently preyed on brumbies there. In locations around Australia, in area's where they hunt larger prey habitually, I have also found they tend to view lone humans on foot a little differently.

    Not suggesting they are the brumby solution, but they do prey on feral horses at times, amongst other species.
     
  2. Ubiquitous Steve

    Ubiquitous Steve Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Bears are saying that European Wasps are more invasive than the right/left wing greenies....
    they have already stung horses to death on the Cobungra River....maybe they will become the apex predator????

    what is KNP doing in this regard????o_O

    They have already been recorded attacks by wild dogs on humans in North Kosy.
    but apart from infants/children no deaths on a national basis....
     
  3. Kelpieboy

    Kelpieboy One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    I dislike baiting regimens specifically for the collatoral damage incurred. To me the price is way too high and I will not allow baiting on my property , nor will the owners of the 2 adjoining properties to mine. Although we all lose some stock to feral animals we believe our small loss is justifiable in the sceme of things. This is not to say we dont take action against said ferals however , we do but we use only methods that reduce the collatoral damage risk to virtually nil. The alarming reduction in Alpine Dingo's , amongst others, has certainly been a tragedy and further reinforces our stance against baiting regimens.
     
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    Kelpieboy One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Rabid 9 is also correct in some of his/her observations concerning Dingo's in numbers and packs. I have witnessed , albeit 30 odd years ago now a 6 pack of Dingo's take a full grown bullock in a matter of 2 minutes. Does happen still but rarely now.
     
  5. skinavy

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    Well some of the discussion regarding the wild horse management plan over on the Jindy fbook group has gone from the ridiculous to the sublime. The best I've seen so far claims that no animal should ever be culled because nature adapts (apparently instantly from I can gather in one of the most painfull discussions I've ever had to the point that if Polar bears were released in the park they should be allowed to stay because you know nature adapts killing is bad, government funded science isn't wisdom). The crazy cat lady, NPWS are greenies, locals know better than anyone, its all a conspiracy is getting to be very strong over there. When ask people for a realistic alternative proposal the silence is deafening.
     
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  6. Donza

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    Yes you warned me...I walked away... you bit
     
  7. Telemark Phat

    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    There have been some spectacular reads. It like the painting of Cramer, I cannot look away. Makes anything on this board pale into significance.
     
  8. Donza

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    I throw my tidbits in there... just to be rational.
    Alas I've never seen a brumby (I've seen tonnes)... don't live there and don't know horses
     
  9. Donza

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    Meanwhile women with horses as profile pics post pictures of conifer wildfires with catchy brumby saving headers
     
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  10. Untele-whippet

    Untele-whippet beard stroker Ski Pass: Gold

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    Ah Facebook, the laxative of the masses :crap:
     
  11. dawooduck

    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    There has indeed been some amusing conversations. Not everyone has been all horse shy though. I had a nice conversation about trout, galaxias and frogs eggs .... the Berridale cat lady is very special.

    This poped up on my fb feed ....

     
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  12. skinavy

    skinavy One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yes I did and I did say I would regret it. But hey she did admit polar bears should get to stay...might have been something about accusing me of blindly following orders.
     
  13. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    We need MOAR animals! Elephants, giraffes, bears, lions, hippos! Fk me there are some morons about. Clinging to a romantic notion of a past that was not anything like they imagine. Drives me nuts, the same people saying that they should be mustered and broken in are the ones letting them go. Coz guess what, no one wants them!
     
  14. VSG

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    Brumbies are a scourge on the high country. Their hooves cause damage to delicate alpine flora, they defecate whereever and whenever.. trail rides run by certain enterprises in the high country stray into the NP on a regular basis in the Eucumbene/Kiandra area.... they are vermin. Moving them out in trucks would cost too much: shoot them.
     
  15. dawooduck

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    If it's who I think it is, I had a lovely long chat with her about "letting your cat roam is animal cruelty" .... it seems some of her fellow berridalians had taken to culling roaming cats and she wasn't happy.
     
  16. dawooduck

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    There are trails that they are allowed on but ..... temptation
     
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    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Cant believe you have a pollie who thinks that the brumbies should be protected, and the dogs wiped out, what a moron!
     
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    I think he took the path of least resistance. I am a supporter of a properly managed series of small mobs with each one having a range, number and custodian. Even pay for the whole mash up with a pass levy or some such. Confine them to the northern area of the park and Victoria. The trouble is that no one will be able to agree and the custodians would have to agree to cull and maintain numbers.
     
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  19. Donza

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    308?
    jeepers.
     
  20. skinavy

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    Sounds about right.
     
  21. Donza

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    People are strange down there....
    mistrust and inbreeding ...cool kids and ferals...
     
  22. skinavy

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    I probably agree with that (simply due to total eradication being 1. to contentious for pollies to consider and 2. probably not achievable anyway) I've also said I'd agree with properly managed trail rides in the park. But standing by and doing nothing is not an option, however that is what a lot seem to want.
     
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  23. Donza

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    they seen a horse.
    never seen damage from a horse.
    joined a FB site
     
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    I started listening to bluegrass when I moved down.
     
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    It's true, he does.
     
  26. dawooduck

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    LOL ... sums up much of the fb hysteria, bluegrass on spotify :nerd:
    Lots of:deadhorse:twang
     
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  29. Donza

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    If you bought a hi lux and slouchy I would dis own
    alas.
    Most of the Brumby lovers seem to drive Subarus... have a 10 hectare hobby farm and a few horses.
    with a romantic notion
     
  30. Legs Akimbo

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    Definition of a gentleman - someone who can play the banjo but refrains. Applies also to bagpipes.
     
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  33. Donza

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    Just needs a FB post.
     
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    I was thinking spinning wheel and a Samoyed coat ..
     
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    Talk to my Mrs. She spins everything. Sheep, Goat, Shiba Inu, Guine Pig, Rabbit.
     
  36. Telemark Phat

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    I have an old liberty. I'm patiently waiting for it to die so I can buy a Ute. Needs have changed.
     
  37. dawooduck

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    Bingo, we have a few bags of Samoyed ready to go. We made a section of quilt to trial washing but was a fail.
     
  38. Donza

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    subarus don't die
    you will need to cull or rehome it
     
  39. Legs Akimbo

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    Have you tried felting?
     
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    That was "felting" not "felching".
     
  42. Telemark Phat

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    Its close. About half of the horses have escaped and full throttle normally means less power.
     
  43. Donza

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    let it die ......
    put it it out to pasture in Dalgety
     
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    I hope your dog gets its just royalty payments from the sale of its product?
     
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    Just needs a Guinea Pig and Rabbit
     
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    I'll probably donate to the SES so they can practice getting into crashed cars.
     
  47. Donza

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    subarus don't crash
    *only in winter
    ** driven by tourists
     
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    Nah that's all caused by pigs/deers/polar bears/cats/trout, what would NPWS know they never go out of Sydney, those fenced off bits will just burst into flames, light horse, nature. Oh fark I've been sucked into it all....
     
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    Maybe that's what NPWS meant by Brumby management, they meant Subaru Brumby.
     
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    I know. I wonder how many of the brumby lovers have walked more than 500m from a carpark?