1. There's more to this forum than meets the eye!

    We have a vibrant community here conversing about all sorts of non-snow topics such as music, sport, politics and technology. Simply register to reveal all our Après topics.

    NOTE: This notice may be closed.

    Dismiss Notice

Brumbies KNP Management Plan Review

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by Untele-whippet, Aug 12, 2014.

  1. skinavy

    skinavy One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2001
    Messages:
    2,420
    Likes Received:
    2,657
    Location:
    Canberra, ACT
    Yeah saw that. Was going to comment regarding the discounting of what emergency services and teachers put up with. FWIW I actually think emergency services personnel have a really tough time seeing things continously that most military may only see a few times in their career. But yeah another random tangent, if did nothing about wild horses then have more for veteran support... I'm all for more for veterans, but I can think of other places to find a lot more money.
     
  2. Telemark Phat

    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2008
    Messages:
    19,462
    Likes Received:
    16,647
    Location:
    Jindabyne
    An aerial cull would leave more money for other things.
     
    Vanders, Majikthise and skifree like this.
  3. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 1998
    Messages:
    28,492
    Likes Received:
    24,249
    Location:
    Middle Oz
    Wild horses have been captured and re- homed for years in Oz. but just like re-homing greyhounds it is a drop in the ocean.

    If re- homing was going to make a difference it would have by now.

    It's all :deadhorse: by anti cullers.
     
    Vanders and sly_karma like this.
  4. skinavy

    skinavy One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2001
    Messages:
    2,420
    Likes Received:
    2,657
    Location:
    Canberra, ACT
    Given something like 40k horses are put down every year in Australia, nothing short of using lethal means of control will work. Up around Townsville their calling for a cull due to a number of fatal MVAs involving wild horses, generally cars and bikes hitting horse carcasses that were killed by roadtrains.
     
    skifree likes this.
  5. ecowain

    ecowain One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2003
    Messages:
    2,175
    Likes Received:
    3,487
    Location:
    Mount Victoria, NSW
    Yes, not much there down in the bottom of the Hollow. Walked up the Hollow and then climbed direct route to Mac Springs a couple of years ago. Could see the old track, but so infested with weeds that it was easier to walk up the river for the most part. Lots of deer.
     
  6. Kletterer

    Kletterer Thredbo Doughnut Tragic Moderator

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2014
    Messages:
    19,967
    Likes Received:
    21,983
    Location:
    Canberra
    Just had a good discussion with Newcastle Greens member J Mackenzie . Damn I wish I would have asked him about his thoughts on the Cull :doh:. Mostly talked about renewable energy and CSG but that's a different fight.
     
    dawooduck likes this.
  7. Myazma

    Myazma One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    May 10, 2009
    Messages:
    3,253
    Likes Received:
    5,131
    Location:
    Jindi
    I love the crazy Berridale cat witch, every post is a winner, brings a smile every time I read her drivel and Amaree's too.
     
    telecrag and dawooduck like this.
  8. Time

    Time Hard Yards

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2008
    Messages:
    319
    Likes Received:
    96
    Holy smokes, i've been avoiding reading this thread for awhile. But now i've gone through it all and all the reference material, l still don't understand why there are so many people so attached to an introduced species that damages delicate ecosystems.

    and yes this is coming from an animal rescuing city dwelling vegan hipster...though.... sans beard.

    like it or not humanity has ****ed with our ecosystems and must now be active custodian managers not observers. Good management is about making the right decision, not the easiest or most popular.

    if only we were vulcan...it would all be logical and done by now.
     
  9. Untele-whippet

    Untele-whippet beard stroker Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2006
    Messages:
    17,686
    Likes Received:
    33,871
    Location:
    Blue Mtns, 1100M.
    Even Vulcans are fooled by the big brown eyes!

    What hope for us humanoids!
    We are doomed.
     
    Time likes this.
  10. Angus_McCrory

    Angus_McCrory Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2005
    Messages:
    24,023
    Likes Received:
    12,013
    Location:
    Lurking
    lel.........

    Had a run in with Amaree on another page when I suggested a brumbie photo would have been better shot with a Ruger rather than a Canon
     
    sidetrack and Myazma like this.
  11. Billy_Buttons

    Billy_Buttons Que Sera, Sera Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2011
    Messages:
    8,658
    Likes Received:
    7,572
    Location:
    Normanhurst/Jindabyne
    omergoed...people trolling
     
    Time likes this.
  12. Angus_McCrory

    Angus_McCrory Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2005
    Messages:
    24,023
    Likes Received:
    12,013
    Location:
    Lurking
  13. Time

    Time Hard Yards

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2008
    Messages:
    319
    Likes Received:
    96
    argh ****...we're ****ed.
     
    Untele-whippet likes this.
  14. PiniPowPow

    PiniPowPow One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2010
    Messages:
    1,926
    Likes Received:
    1,747
    Location:
    NSW South Coast
    Saw this and assumed it was you! Navy, Army, NPWS and weapons manufacturers, quite the conspiracy
     
    Angus_McCrory likes this.
  15. skichic

    skichic A Local

    Joined:
    May 26, 2003
    Messages:
    7,717
    Likes Received:
    1,774
    I can't believe you lot are wasting time posting on the Jindy Noticeboard ROFL I now I know who some of you are ;)
     
  16. ecowain

    ecowain One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2003
    Messages:
    2,175
    Likes Received:
    3,487
    Location:
    Mount Victoria, NSW
    Which Jindy Noticeboard is worth taking the popcorn to? There are at least three of them.
     
  17. skichic

    skichic A Local

    Joined:
    May 26, 2003
    Messages:
    7,717
    Likes Received:
    1,774
    That would be the Jindabyne Noticeboard. Not the Buy and Sell or the New Jindabyne Noticeboard.
     
  18. Myazma

    Myazma One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    May 10, 2009
    Messages:
    3,253
    Likes Received:
    5,131
    Location:
    Jindi
    But it's funny, like the Kalkite woman who thinks it's her personal organizer, or the simply boganite Jindabean people, or the plain useless who want to know how to do/find the most mundane things or those special wave pool people or even the fat wrappers or the horsey folk, bless Em all
     
  19. skichic

    skichic A Local

    Joined:
    May 26, 2003
    Messages:
    7,717
    Likes Received:
    1,774
    Reading is one thing, getting involved in arguing with them is another!
     
  20. Donza

    Donza Pool Room

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2004
    Messages:
    72,779
    Likes Received:
    16,618
    Location:
    wollongong
    They are bored.
    No dogs missing
     
  21. Kletterer

    Kletterer Thredbo Doughnut Tragic Moderator

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2014
    Messages:
    19,967
    Likes Received:
    21,983
    Location:
    Canberra
  22. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 1998
    Messages:
    28,492
    Likes Received:
    24,249
    Location:
    Middle Oz
    That could be fixed.
     
  23. dawooduck

    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2002
    Messages:
    66,489
    Likes Received:
    46,867
    Location:
    Mountains
    They seem to go missing in pairs
    just off for a wander
     
  24. Myazma

    Myazma One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    May 10, 2009
    Messages:
    3,253
    Likes Received:
    5,131
    Location:
    Jindi
    Only out Lakewood way
     
  25. Myazma

    Myazma One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    May 10, 2009
    Messages:
    3,253
    Likes Received:
    5,131
    Location:
    Jindi
    Couldn't help myself this morning, I'm itching
     
  26. dawooduck

    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2002
    Messages:
    66,489
    Likes Received:
    46,867
    Location:
    Mountains
    Will we see alternate plans published for comment ?
     
  27. Myazma

    Myazma One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    May 10, 2009
    Messages:
    3,253
    Likes Received:
    5,131
    Location:
    Jindi
    I have a different approach on the farm, shoot first and then ring the ph no. on the collar. RIP Tess last week because of irresponsible owner.
     
  28. dawooduck

    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2002
    Messages:
    66,489
    Likes Received:
    46,867
    Location:
    Mountains
    Brutal reality. I made noises about a "standard fence" being a dog proof fence when negotiating on the block, fell on deaf ears. My biggest fear, losing a dog due to my neglect.
     
  29. teletripper

    teletripper One of Us

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2007
    Messages:
    204
    Likes Received:
    288
    Location:
    Jindabyne
    For those interested, further advice from NPWS on this matter. From the horses mouth so to speak. Note Q and A's in this link:
    http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/r...es/wild-horse-draft-plan-questions-160300.pdf

    Dear Sir/Madam,


    You are receiving this email as you have previously had interest or involvement in the community and stakeholder engagement process for the Kosciuszko National Park wild horse management plan review.

    In response to a number of submissions and representations from both stakeholder groups and members of the community, the exhibition and submissions period on the Kosciuszko National Park Draft Wild Horse Management Plan has been extended a further 6 weeks, with submissions being accepted until 5.00pm Friday 19th August, 2016.

    NPWS will also host a series of community ‘open house’, information and feedback sessions in relation to the draft plan in Tumut, Jindabyne and Queanbeyan and with the extension of the exhibition period, these will now be held in July/August the dates yet to be confirmed. NPWS will also be contacting key stakeholder groups to arrange a series of briefing and feedback sessions in relation to the Draft Plan during the exhibition period. Further details of these will be notified in the near future.

    Community, stakeholder and media interest in the draft plan has as expected been high. Unfortunately however there is a great deal of misinformation in regard to the draft plan that has been presented in both media reports and social media. It has been wrongly represented that the draft plan proposes to use aerial shooting or recreational hunters/shooters for ground shooting as control methods for example. In an effort to better inform stakeholders and the community in regard to the draft plan a common Question and Answers section has been added to the ‘Protecting the Snowies’ engagement website.

    NPWS understands that this is a very complex issue, with deeply felt emotions from some members of the community.

    This complexity is reflected in the draft plan and the detail and length of all of the supporting reports, documents and information. To gain a greater understanding of the issue and its complexity the NPWS recommends that people read all of these documents to gain an informed opinion on the issues involved. It is simply not possible to gain this understanding from a short media article or social media comment.

    The extended draft plan exhibition period of now 16 weeks is to allow the public further time to digest all of the information in and associated with the draft management plan.

    The community is strongly encouraged to continue to shape the development of this plan and have their say. (at: kosciuszko.wildhorseplan@environment.nsw.gov.au )

    The Draft Wild Horse Management Plan and associated documents can be viewed and downloaded online as well as details on how to provide feedback can be found at:

    http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/protectsnowies/

    Display hard copies of the draft plan and associated documents are available for viewing at the NPWS Office and Information centres at Tumut, Khancoban, Jindabyne, Queanbeyan, Bombala and the OEH Head Office, Goulburn St, Sydney.

    Any general enquiries in regard to the planning process should be forwarded to the KNP wild horse plan mailbox at: Kosciuszko.wildhorseplan@environment.nsw.gov.au

    Any media enquiries in regard to the draft wild horse management plan should be made to the OEH Public Affairs Team on Ph. 02 9995 5347

    Regards

    Mick Pettitt

    Regional Manager
    Southern Ranges Region
    NSW National Parks and Wildlife Service
     
    Angus_McCrory and Untele-whippet like this.
  30. skinavy

    skinavy One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2001
    Messages:
    2,420
    Likes Received:
    2,657
    Location:
    Canberra, ACT
    While not about horses exactly, crazy cat lady is now posting about chemtrails in Jindy FB group, apparently I'm one of the "usual shills" for posting pictures of the chemtrail "control" panels. I thought she would appreciate that I was posting proof of one of the deepest held NWO, Military Industrial Complex secrets, apparently not :(:evil:
     
    Vanders, sly_karma, dawooduck and 3 others like this.
  31. skinavy

    skinavy One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2001
    Messages:
    2,420
    Likes Received:
    2,657
    Location:
    Canberra, ACT
    Now she's getting really upset and called us all cowards, shills, payed shills (I probably get singled out for that one after she stalked my LinkedIn page) and have no ethics. I could stir the possum a bit further.... anyone got some good photos of aircraft with chemtrails equipment (I've got one of the interior of an A380 full of water tanks from when they were doing handling qualities testing with varying centre of gravity configurations)
     
    Vanders and sly_karma like this.
  32. teletripper

    teletripper One of Us

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2007
    Messages:
    204
    Likes Received:
    288
    Location:
    Jindabyne
    Update FYI + frequently asked Q & A's. Check the photos and vids!
    http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/resources/protectsnowies/knp-wild-horse-plan-flyer.pdf

    NSW NPWS update to the community and stakeholders on the Kosciuszko National Park (KNP) Wild Horse Management Plan Review process. - 11th July, 2016.


    Dear Sir/Madam,

    You are receiving this email as you have previously had interest or involvement in the community and stakeholder engagement process for the Kosciuszko National Park wild horse management plan review. Thank you for your ongoing interest in the development of the Draft KNP Wild Horse Management Plan.


    ·The Draft Plan is on public exhibition from 1st May until 19th August, 2016, and during this time the community is encouraged to provide feedback.

    ·The Draft Wild Horse Management Plan and associated documents can be viewed and downloaded online as well as details on how to provide feedback can be found at:http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/protectsnowies/

    ·Display hard copies of the draft plan and associated documents are available for viewing at the NPWS Office and Information centres at Tumut, Khancoban, Jindabyne, Queanbeyan, Bombala and the OEH Head Office, Goulburn St, Sydney.

    ·Further information including a common Question and Answers section (see electronic copy of flyer attached) and videos and images galleryhttps://www.flickr.com/photos/nswnationalparks/collections/72157640487910404/ have recently been added to the websites.

    ·NPWS are hosting a series of community Open House information sessions in relation to the draft plan in Tumut, Jindabyne and Queanbeyan in late July during the exhibition period. Further details of these are in the attached invitation flyer.

    ·NPWS are also holding a series of briefing sessions and meeting with key stakeholder groups during the draft plan exhibition period.

    ·During the plan review and draft exhibition process NPWS will continue to implement the adopted 2008 KNP Wild Horse Management Plan. The winter trapping and removal program in northern KNP has commenced. If stakeholder groups or individuals are interested in rehoming or domestication opportunities for removed horses and have not previously registered their interest with NPWS, please email your contact details including return email, phone and address to the project officer Rob Gibbs at rob.gibbs@environment.nsw.gov.au to receive a rehoming information package and registration of interest form.

    ·Any general enquiries in regard to the wild horse management planning process should be forwarded to the KNP wild horse plan mailbox at: Kosciuszko.wildhorseplan@environment.nsw.gov.au

    ·Any media enquiries in regard to the draft wild horse management plan should be made to the OEH Public Affairs Team on Ph. 02 9995 5347

    [​IMG]As always, if you have any questions or concerns or would like to discuss any matter relating to the KNP Wild Horse Management Plan Review or wild horse management program, please contact Rob Gibbs, Senior Project Officer, Kosciuszko National Park -Wild Horse Management Plan Review Project at rob.gibbs@environment.nsw.gov.au


    Thank you for your continued interest and involvement.


    Mick Pettitt,

    Regional Manager

    NSW NPWS - Southern Ranges Region



    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    This email is intended for the addressee(s) named and may contain confidential and/or privileged information.
    If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and then delete it immediately.
    Any views expressed in this email are those of the individual sender except where the sender expressly and with authority states them to be the views of the NSW Office of Environment and Heritage.

    PLEASE CONSIDER THE ENVIRONMENT BEFORE PRINTING THIS EMAIL

    [​IMG]
     
    skifree likes this.
  33. cold wombat

    cold wombat Twitter Contributer Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2008
    Messages:
    54,531
    Likes Received:
    28,966
    Location:
    Perth
  34. Undies

    Undies Pizza! Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    May 15, 2002
    Messages:
    21,299
    Likes Received:
    15,466
    Location:
    Top drawer
    Removing the brumbies is madness. It will destroy the delicate balance of the ecosystem. Once the horses are gone the alpine camel population will explode. What then?
     
    Majikthise and Edgecrusher like this.
  35. Tonka

    Tonka Hard Yards

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2014
    Messages:
    110
    Likes Received:
    47
    The ABC's Lateline mainly presented one side of the argument. There were some quotes that the horses have been here for 180 - 200 years. European settlement of the Currango area commenced in 1834 when the first cattle were taken to the area. Currango, itself, started in 1851, when Thomas O’Rourke built a small vertical slab home and other structures. I believe horses would have been valuable then, so maybe 100 -150 years would be accurate. Lateline only touched lightly on the environmental damage, water pollution, dust bowls, piles of manure, trampling springs.
     
    Vanders likes this.
  36. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 1998
    Messages:
    28,492
    Likes Received:
    24,249
    Location:
    Middle Oz
    Executing people is part of our heritage, we should bring it back for heritage reasons.

    That is as sensible as keeping horses in alpine environments for heritage reasons.
     
    Telemark Phat likes this.
  37. person s

    person s Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2001
    Messages:
    38,065
    Likes Received:
    20,145
    Location:
    macdonaldtown
    not to mention using convicts to do the work
     
  38. cold wombat

    cold wombat Twitter Contributer Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2008
    Messages:
    54,531
    Likes Received:
    28,966
    Location:
    Perth
  39. Undies

    Undies Pizza! Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    May 15, 2002
    Messages:
    21,299
    Likes Received:
    15,466
    Location:
    Top drawer
    I don't understand the point of removing 90% and not the whole lot? If they're a pest (which they are) and they're causing significant damage (which they are), then just remove them so that we can start repairing the environment. Leaving 10% just means that we're having this conversation again in another 10 years.
     
    Telemark Phat and person s like this.
  40. climberman

    climberman CloudRide1000 Legend Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2000
    Messages:
    41,844
    Likes Received:
    32,391
    Location:
    the sunny illawarra
    Human factors are real.
     
    Telemark Phat and person s like this.
  41. Undies

    Undies Pizza! Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    May 15, 2002
    Messages:
    21,299
    Likes Received:
    15,466
    Location:
    Top drawer
    Emotion triumphs over sensibility again.
     
  42. climberman

    climberman CloudRide1000 Legend Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2000
    Messages:
    41,844
    Likes Received:
    32,391
    Location:
    the sunny illawarra
    Depends who's sensibility you want to account for.
    People have different views on heritage and animals and stuff. It's simply an attempt to strike a pragmatic balance.
     
    Telemark Phat and dawooduck like this.
  43. Undies

    Undies Pizza! Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    May 15, 2002
    Messages:
    21,299
    Likes Received:
    15,466
    Location:
    Top drawer
    I get that. But a lot of political capital is being used up, and a lot of money will be spent, for what will be zero gain 10 years from now. What's the point? Let's do it properly and start getting the parks back to where they should be.
     
  44. climberman

    climberman CloudRide1000 Legend Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2000
    Messages:
    41,844
    Likes Received:
    32,391
    Location:
    the sunny illawarra
    I think the proposal seeks to maintain it at ten percent. Would hgave to check though.
     
    Undies likes this.
  45. cold wombat

    cold wombat Twitter Contributer Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2008
    Messages:
    54,531
    Likes Received:
    28,966
    Location:
    Perth
    The last 10% might cost a hell of a lot more to eradicate?
     
    Telemark Phat likes this.
  46. climberman

    climberman CloudRide1000 Legend Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2000
    Messages:
    41,844
    Likes Received:
    32,391
    Location:
    the sunny illawarra
    Prolly that too. usually does. It's certianly described as a heritage / human factors decision though.
     
  47. skinavy

    skinavy One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2001
    Messages:
    2,420
    Likes Received:
    2,657
    Location:
    Canberra, ACT
    It's described as 600 horses to be maintained in recognition of heritage values. I'm guessing the 600 is considered a genetically viable population.
     
  48. cold wombat

    cold wombat Twitter Contributer Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2008
    Messages:
    54,531
    Likes Received:
    28,966
    Location:
    Perth
    Maybe I'm a cynic but I'd call the heritage type arguments as likely window dressing for "it's too expensive to get every last one of them".
     
  49. Untele-whippet

    Untele-whippet beard stroker Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2006
    Messages:
    17,686
    Likes Received:
    33,871
    Location:
    Blue Mtns, 1100M.
    Either way, life's a compromise particularly in such an emotive and political environment and the end result is way way better than the current situation.
     
  50. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2007
    Messages:
    30,102
    Likes Received:
    41,891
    Maybe they could just keep the black ones? They look more natural!
     
    Vanders likes this.