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Question C.Pass oversnow and Top station lift tickets for B.C. access to K.N.P.

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by Mister Tee on XC Skis, Sep 3, 2019.

  1. Mister Tee on XC Skis

    Mister Tee on XC Skis A Local Ski Pass: Silver

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    https://www.groupon.com.au/deals/ga-charlotte-pass-snow-resort-3
    Forum users suggested I look into getting the over snow transport /lunch/ski lift pass package but the "Groupon" website says the deal is now no longer available. I want to cross the Snowy River and ski/skin up and ski down Carruthers Peak from C.P. and then head back to Perisher and my campsite at Island Bend.
    This will be in about 2-3 weeks this month that I wish to do this. I also want to take the ski lift up the Crackenback and ski out past Rawson's Pass towards Mt.Townsend ( weather permitting).
    I will have three whole ski days in the K.N.P. as of the morning of 22/9/19.
    Buying a lift ticket for the Eagle's nest top station and an over snow transport return pass from Perisher to C.P. and back separately will be expensive .
    I am based in Melbourne.
    I know the terrain in the areas in question. I have hiked them and /or snowshoed or skied them.
     
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    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    One post is enough.

    Black txt again. Wot do you do to do this?
     
  3. Mister Tee on XC Skis

    Mister Tee on XC Skis A Local Ski Pass: Silver

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    Sorry , I do not do anything to the text , font or colour. I just type on an ancient desk top computer. My eyes and hands cannot operate anything smaller or fancier in terms of hardware. I thought the B.C. forum could , as you suggested , be of service to my enquiries.
     
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    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Turn off the formatting in the word processing program you type into. Or change it’s settings to plain text, which is the same thing.
     
  5. Mister Tee on XC Skis

    Mister Tee on XC Skis A Local Ski Pass: Silver

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    I don't quite understand. I am an I.T. reject. I just type.
     
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    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    zapruda One of Us

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    Just ski from Perisher to CP along the road. It will get you warmed up for the rest of the day.
     
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  9. Gimp

    Gimp One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Do Twynam from guthega instead.
     
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  10. Mister Tee on XC Skis

    Mister Tee on XC Skis A Local Ski Pass: Silver

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    I have not hiked that route in Green season. I prefer to know the terrain if I am ski touring solo.
     
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    climberman CloudRide1000 Legend Ski Pass: Gold

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    Twynam from Guthega is very very very straightforward and there is a bridge (well, two bridges).
    Guthega-illawong-across Snowy-up Twynam Ridge to Twynam.
     
  12. Mister Tee on XC Skis

    Mister Tee on XC Skis A Local Ski Pass: Silver

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    I will look at the Map. Thanks.
     
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    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    XC ski wise, Id do the Guthega-Twynam for views of the MR, top of Thredbo (chair is about $40 I think) to Kosi, down the road to Seamans, then back to Thredbo via Cox Harbour (under Etheridge) the old pole line kind of hits the saddle between Kosi lookout and the knolls above Sponars, where you end up on a nice shallow run back onto the track. Makes a nice loop.
     
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    Really? Three 'very's? I dunno, the Illawong traverse between the Farm Creek Bridge and the Snow bridge is a little bit of work, especially on nordic gear, and often on and off snow this time of year.

    I say, ski the road from Perisher.
     
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    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    ^heh heh, true that, it seems to go forever some days too! Easy route though.
     
  16. Gimp

    Gimp One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Follow the skin track highway.
     
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    It’ll a be walking won’t it to Illawong?
     
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    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    By then, I reckon it will
     
  19. climberman

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    It’s about 8 ks just to CP from Perisher anyway isn’t it? And you have to park at Skitube or something.

    Guthega you unload at day park, drop car at o/n, head out to Illawong :)
     
  20. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Pretty sure he is looking for daytrips.
     
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  21. climberman

    climberman CloudRide1000 Legend Ski Pass: Gold

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    Skinning to CP from Perisher and then on to Twynam and back in a day is a solid day trip.

    Pretty doable if you can skate, which I can’t.
     
  22. Mister Tee on XC Skis

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    Thanks for the suggestions.I am looking at a day touring on NNN BC Classic PB with a day pack. Under 20 kms per day if possible. . I was going to ask about day parking at Perisher. What is it like? . I am capable of skiing from Perisher to C.P. and then heading out to Carruthers peak and back and skiing back to Perisher. I cannot skate, I am a diagonal stride kind of fellow .
    I think with an early start skinning up from DHG to top station would be easy and then fang it out to Rawson's pass and then look at the sun and decide where to turn around. Weather of course dictates what is safe and sane to do up there.
    Does anyone think the route to Cascade hut and back to DHG would still be skiable by Sept. 21- 24th ? .I would rather not take the skis off too much.
     
  23. Mister Tee on XC Skis

    Mister Tee on XC Skis A Local Ski Pass: Silver

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    Is that old pole line still there? I thought the NPWS declared war on all pole lines in the KNP / NSW, as well as KNP huts, loos, signage and visitors in general ;-P .
     
  24. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    some are missing, but many are still there. Have not been down Cootapatamba way this year, so dont know about those ones.

    Cascades wont be skiable then IMO.
     
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  25. Gimp

    Gimp One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Local advice and from your prolific postings, you probably won't make Townsend from Kosi chair, same Twynam from Guthega or Curruthers from Perisher and definitely not anything from DHG, Cascades will be grass, DHG partly grassed. LOOK at Guthega based options, come earlier and pay thru CP oversnow or wait until YOU READ the road to CP is open.
     
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    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Don’t believe everything US says.
     
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    Xplora One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    I wouldn't discourage him just yet. He needs to at least try one of the many adventures we have been hearing for so long he 'is gunna' do. Failure is just a step closer to getting it right, as long as you survive.
     
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  28. Mister Tee on XC Skis

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    The Over snow service looks like the best option as well as Guthega options. I will ring C.P. resort this week and find out more about the over snow service and ticket options , prices etc. .
     
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    Assuming that Charlottes is still open (the over snow will not run if it's not) also ask about timing. When is the first run up and the last run down? Those times will put severe constraints on your touring time. If you miss the return you have an extra 8 or 9 ks back to Perisher. To me, finding somewhere where you leave your car and return to your car makes much more sense. Even the Thredbo chair is better than relying on oversnow. If the chair is closed you can still ski down. It's no fun on touring skis, but it can be done (I have).
     
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    Legs Akimbo Grumblebum Ski Pass: Gold

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    Also, if you do decide to use the oversnow ask the driver if he or she will let you off where the spur leaves the Summit Rd to go down to Charlottes. It will save you a bit of up.
     
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    We've hired the over snow after cp has shut, straight to turning circle and then pick up in avo
     
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    Yup timing is critical, 7.30am out , 3pm back
     
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    And you will need to book in advance to get desired over snow Times, plus good weather, good luck
     
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    Some info on the new CP lease. CPV is now required to be open, unless unsafe, from Queen's Birthday LWE to October LWE. This means that CPV has control of the road past Perisher and determines who goes past Perisher. So CPV oversnow should be available to and including the October LWE.

    This also means snow clearing of the road past Perisher will not occur until after the LWE and possibly a couple of weeks after the LWE as the snow clearing crews are usually on leave immediately after the LWE.
     
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    I think the oversnow makes sense - exp if its your first day skiing NSW.

    Means you’ll save energy for the best bit like club lake rather than slogging past bottom of MT P lifts!

    Take usual solo precautions.

    Remember distances in Snowies are generally a lot greater than say high plains, vertical relief is greater, times longer, huts fewer & the cover refreezes earlier than in Vic.

    Fog can be really diabolical in the treeless areas. Just saying take care!

    I think you said your wider skis have edges?

    Take them for the bigger hills! Longer days!
     
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  36. Mister Tee on XC Skis

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    I will be on metal edged wide BC skis, Madshus Epochs armed with kicker skins. I have skied in NSW before but am much improved at skiing and can actually BC XC ski properly now .I will carry an emergency bivvy bag, PLB, map , compass, Mob. ph. , spare food , water etc.
    The fog we hit in February was disorientating at best when green season hiking out on the Main range earlier in 2019.
    I was looking at the map. Would Mt. Jagungal still have skiable snow this month?. I have not come in from Cesjack's hut before. I think Perhaps a green season hike out there would be better prior to trying to ski down the Big Bogong.
     
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    Jagungal would, but the approach may be patchy depending when you want to go this month. It makes a great trip! Give it a go.

    Your RAV4 might well not make it out of the cesjacks approach, depending on the river height with spring snowmelt (unless the road has been much improved).

    Luckily Cesjacks is a cruisy day from Guthega power station (if there is skiable cover), with more straightforward vehicle access than the eastern approach. No pole line though :)

    Funny thing, I call Epochs my skinny skis.
     
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    Correct.
     
  39. Mister Tee on XC Skis

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    If I were to go out that way I would leave the car at the river crossing and hike in with a multi night pack with skis and ski boots affixed to my pack. I don't think ski touring out from GPS would be with fully skiable cover later this month.
     
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    If you aim to do that park at the top of Nimmo Hill east of the river.
    The hill can be a slippery beast after weather.
     
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    Haven't been into SP for years, actually over a decade. The road used to be ridiculous, one of the peakiest 4WD moments of my life was on that road. But somewhere in the late 90's council did a bunch of work. Not sure now the area has been declared a wilderness buffer zone I think.
     
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    I don't see why not, at least with this year's base and this weekend's snow. Similar to 2017, and I found excellent cover that year on a Jagungal trip on September 17th.
     
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    I never could figure out what the deal is with that Nimmo road. Is it public access or not?
     
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    It is an easement, so yes it is, just not advertised.
     
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    The Stalker. At one point in the late 80's early 90's people parked on the eastern side of the hill. They would come back after a week or whatever, to discover their vehicle with four flats, the stalks all cut off. Eventually a guy who a land owner let in to control feral pigs (dog and knife type guy) caught the culprit, and handed them over to authorities.

    Its public road until you hit the KNP boundary pretty much. Very serious bit of road though, even now I would think. Have a look at the Katingal history, guy was taking people in, in an old army Duck. I know people (and we came close) who have had to abandon a vehicle, then get it out in summer.
     
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    What is the elevation of Guthega Power station?. I would imagine carrying the multi night pack with skis attached up to Horse Camp Hut before hitting skiable continuous snow cover. I cannot ski with a big pack on my back so some kind of base camp enterprise with day touring would be suitable. Even towing a sleddy thing on skins up to White's River hut could work if there is enough snow.
     
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    Power station is about 1350m? A bit of walking is common from there. OK yeah for modest day trips there are probably better places to go from in September.
     
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    My experience has been snow after the switchbacks as a worst case.

    Mileage may vary.
     
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    60 bucks Tues and Thurs for CP tickets
     
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    For your first trip why not try Dead Horse Gap, park at the Cascade Trail or right at the carpark at the top if the weather isn't bad. Approach via Khancoban via the Alpine way.

    Then ski or walk up the ridge until you get to the flat bit near a creek to camp, no more than an hour, boil all your water. Then day trip your way up to Kosciuszko easily in a day and back. Lots of great views over Leather Barrel Creek. Compared to Eskdale it's a doddle.

    Just be careful on the way out keep to the ridge or you'll get bushwhacked in the diabolical scrub. Should be huge snowboard plugholes to follow.