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As the title suggests, looking to take a camper van trip (2023) with 4 blokes through Nagano and Tohoku predominantly, for 3 weeks and chase the snow. Has anyone got any campervan hire company advice? We would most likely hire the van in Tokyo but have considered getting the train to Nagano and hiring from there instead too ensure we get snow tires/not have to pay extra for them. Japanrv, Japan campers, Fuji rentals and el monde are all companies we're considering. Toyota camrod size campers

Has anyone done a similar trip and can share advice on what worked, what was harder than expected etc. Plan is mostly to use Michi no Eki with the odd camp ground thrown in.

2 of us have camped in winter before so kinda know what to expect weather wise and we've all been to Japan multiple times so have an idea of what the roads are like

All and any advice is appreciated. I know this is kinda vague so fire away with any and all info
 
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Think you'll need to get the van in or around Narita at least that's what everyone I've known has done, by the time you consider NEX and Shink tickets it will be cheaper too. Is 4WD an option? If so pay extra for that.

Get your insurance for the van sorted out well and truly. Many roads here are very small and tagging walls, cars etc in a camper would be pretty easy.

Make sure everyone turns up with international driver's licences/permits from RAC, AAA etc where ever you are from. Understand if someone gets caught DUI they are most likely going to jail then deportation.

Make sure everyone is locked in when you book as have known groups starting to plan something like this and by the time they got here only two made it and it was expensive.

Plan a few nights in some normal accomadation to break it up as 3 weeks is a long time in a van with 4 of you.

At the end of 3 weeks you'll either be closer than ever or be hating on each other :) Gambatte!
 

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Think you'll need to get the van in or around Narita at least that's what everyone I've known has done, by the time you consider NEX and Shink tickets it will be cheaper too. Is 4WD an option? If so pay extra for that.

Get your insurance for the van sorted out well and truly. Many roads here are very small and tagging walls, cars etc in a camper would be pretty easy.

Make sure everyone turns up with international driver's licences/permits from RAC, AAA etc where ever you are from. Understand if someone gets caught DUI they are most likely going to jail then deportation.

Make sure everyone is locked in when you book as have known groups starting to plan something like this and by the time they got here only two made it and it was expensive.

Plan a few nights in some normal accomadation to break it up as 3 weeks is a long time in a van with 4 of you.

At the end of 3 weeks you'll either be closer than ever or be hating on each other :) Gambatte!
This.
4wd and snow tyre surcharges are usually capped at 10 or 15 days.
4 people return to Nagano on the trains is circa $1000 aud.
Even with tolls and snow tyre surcharge... you'd be lucky to exceed $500.00.

Personally, i'd expand horizons. Fukushima, Yamagata, Akita etc. Chase those storms that push in and across a bit higher than Niigata etc.
That seems pretty common over recent years.
Nagano is pretty done. I'm not sure having a motor-home there would be as advantageous as having one up north in more islolated resorts.

I noticed these. Are available full time 4wd.
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Have had a quick look into the auto camping grounds and there is not a great deal that are running in winter (didn't see any in central Hokkaido) I guess there would be problems with running water/bathrooms in the RV?
Has anyone here done this tour before?
 

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Have had a quick look into the auto camping grounds and there is not a great deal that are running in winter (didn't see any in central Hokkaido) I guess there would be problems with running water/bathrooms in the RV?
Has anyone here done this tour before?
The snow chasers mostly use Onsen for their shower/bath routine. Works well.

Every season we have a guy park up for about a month opposite our apartment, he moves the van here and there probably into the car park for the day. Our downstairs area has a toilet and basin, and the front door is never locked/on a code, I expect that’s why he chooses that location. Not much of a run across the road to visit the loo in the middle of the night if need be. Also handy to fill his pot with water for noodles.
 
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Think you'll need to get the van in or around Narita at least that's what everyone I've known has done, by the time you consider NEX and Shink tickets it will be cheaper too. Is 4WD an option? If so pay extra for that.

Get your insurance for the van sorted out well and truly. Many roads here are very small and tagging walls, cars etc in a camper would be pretty easy.

Make sure everyone turns up with international driver's licences/permits from RAC, AAA etc where ever you are from. Understand if someone gets caught DUI they are most likely going to jail then deportation.

Make sure everyone is locked in when you book as have known groups starting to plan something like this and by the time they got here only two made it and it was expensive.

Plan a few nights in some normal accomadation to break it up as 3 weeks is a long time in a van with 4 of you.

At the end of 3 weeks you'll either be closer than ever or be hating on each other :) Gambatte!
Cheers mate. Already got the international licenses but you're probably right in that we will need to break it up maybe once a week with some accommodation just to get out of the van.

Locking people in will be the hard part I imagine. Whilst the stoke is high and everyone is committed, I think once the reality sets in atleast one of the blokes will be less than keen to join

Thanks for the reply and advice
 
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This.
4wd and snow tyre surcharges are usually capped at 10 or 15 days.
4 people return to Nagano on the trains is circa $1000 aud.
Even with tolls and snow tyre surcharge... you'd be lucky to exceed $500.00.

Personally, i'd expand horizons. Fukushima, Yamagata, Akita etc. Chase those storms that push in and across a bit higher than Niigata etc.
That seems pretty common over recent years.
Nagano is pretty done. I'm not sure having a motor-home there would be as advantageous as having one up north in more islolated resorts.

I noticed these. Are available full time 4wd.
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Yeh will be going wherever the snow takes up. Got resorts mapped out in every major prefecture including aomori. Only mentioned Tohoku so you knew we weren't going to Hokkaido. Won't have the time
 
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Have had a quick look into the auto camping grounds and there is not a great deal that are running in winter (didn't see any in central Hokkaido) I guess there would be problems with running water/bathrooms in the RV?
Has anyone here done this tour before?
Yeh from what I gather the water pumps don't work above a certain elevation so even if the van has them you can't use them (bathrooms)

Most camp grounds are closed like you've said but I've found a dozen roughly that appear open (if Google translated Japanese is to be believed). Michi no Eki will be used 80% of the time
 

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Yeh from what I gather the water pumps don't work above a certain elevation so even if the van has them you can't use them (bathrooms)

Most camp grounds are closed like you've said but I've found a dozen roughly that appear open (if Google translated Japanese is to be believed). Michi no Eki will be used 80% of the time
Some public onsen have a overnight possibility - good for the smell and sleep!:cheers:
 

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This.


Personally, i'd expand horizons. Fukushima, Yamagata, Akita etc. Chase those storms that push in and across a bit higher than Niigata etc.
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This! Man so many small resorts worth hitting up with little to no crowds etc. Im a little jealous although not sure about that long in a van. :) :) :) In fact people like you guys are in a great position, those of us that live here are generally stuck in our own area due to work requirements and would love to travel more widely.
 

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This! Man so many small resorts worth hitting up with little to no crowds etc. Im a little jealous although not sure about that long in a van. :) :) :) In fact people like you guys are in a great position, those of us that live here are generally stuck in our own area due to work requirements and would love to travel more widely.
A winter trip on the Postie bike. Can't be too hard, the local posties do it everyday.
 

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Some ski resorts have campervan plans, collaborating with "rent-a-car" companies. I guess those plans are not "flexible" enough for you, though.

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Wetroom?. You mean, Onsen / Bath?. You might not know, but quite many hotels in Japan let you use their Onsen even if you don't stay at the hotels. Of course, it's not for free but it's very cheap actually.
I have been thinking of doing a winter campervan trip. Park in the hotel carpark near a ski lift, pay for using the onsen, have dinner, sleep, walk to the lift in the morning or do a short drive to wherever we want to start the ski day then drive on to the next ski area in the afternoon and repeat. Like the OP plans to do, also stay overnight at Michi no Eki too when it makes sense and in convenience store carparks. Wake, up use the toilet, buy a cofee and breakfast then hit the road. Still go out to bars and restaurants but with no fixed address and freedom to roam as we please. As long as the van heater works ok.
 
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I have been thinking of doing a winter campervan trip. Park in the hotel carpark near a ski lift, pay for using the onsen, have dinner, sleep, walk to the lift in the morning or do a short drive to wherever we want to start the ski day then drive on to the next ski area in the afternoon and repeat. Like the OP plans to do, also stay overnight at Michi no Eki too when it makes sense and in convenience store carparks. Wake, up use the toilet, buy a cofee and breakfast then hit the road. Still go out to bars and restaurants but with no fixed address and freedom to roam as we please. As long as the van heater works ok.
Most ski resort regions = Inaka = lands are cheap and it means you can find parking lots for free. Even if not, you can find very cheap ones. As you mentioned, I think parking lots of Michi no Eki are usually for free. And, most parking lots of "Visitor Center" (the sites which provide you the information about the tourists destinations nearby) are often for free.

For example, one of our ski property sites is Urabandai and it has some (or many?) free parking lots. There are some others. They are close enough to ski resorts nearby and they are are close enough to hotels that let you use their Onsen / public bath even if you don't stay there. It's just Urabandai's case but most ski resort regions are similar.
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Nekoma Rikyu (it's a hotel near Nekoma ski resort, Urabandai) is one of many (I'm trying to show you just one specific example). You can use their Onsen even if you don't stay there. One thing you need to know is, some or many of them won't let you use their Onsens after 6pm. I mean, night hours = their Onsen tend to be exclusive to their guests (= the people who are staying at the hotels). So, it's better for you to take Onsen before having dinner soon after skiing.
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Parking lots in downtown are also cheap enough. For example, Morioka is the capital of Iwate Pref, which means, there are many bars, restaurants, etc as well. And, Morika is close enough to ski resorts in Iwate Pref. Parking in the center of Morioka's downtown over night can be 800 Yen, and I think it's very cheap.
 

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In recent years, I see many RV parks in Japan (RV = Recreational Vehicle, and it's for people travelling in campervans). The RV park in the videos below is one of them. It is in front of Mt.Bandai and Lake Inawashiro, a ski resort region in Aizu region, Fukshima Pref. The region has some other RV parks too. I guess a lot of other ski regions have RV parks.


 

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Most ski resort regions = Inaka = lands are cheap and it means you can find parking lots for free. Even if not, you can find very cheap ones. As you mentioned, I think parking lots of Michi no Eki are usually for free. And, most parking lots of "Visitor Center" (the sites which provide you the information about the tourists destinations nearby) are often for free.

For example, one of our ski property sites is Urabandai and it has some (or many?) free parking lots. There are some others. They are close enough to ski resorts nearby and they are are close enough to hotels that let you use their Onsen / public bath even if you don't stay there. It's just Urabandai's case but most ski resort regions are similar.
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Nekoma Rikyu (it's a hotel near Nekoma ski resort, Urabandai) is one of many (I'm trying to show you just one specific example). You can use their Onsen even if you don't stay there. One thing you need to know is, some or many of them won't let you use their Onsens after 6pm. I mean, night hours = their Onsen tend to be exclusive to their guests (= the people who are staying at the hotels). So, it's better for you to take Onsen before having dinner soon after skiing.
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Parking lots in downtown are also cheap enough. For example, Morioka is the capital of Iwate Pref, which means, there are many bars, restaurants, etc as well. And, Morika is close enough to ski resorts in Iwate Pref. Parking in the center of Morioka's downtown over night can be 800 Yen, and I think it's very cheap.
I think this way of traveling would be good. Being able to park in a city for not much Yen or parking on the outskirts and taking a train in to explore the city is convenient. Also there is the freedom of not having to find and book accommodation in busy resort areas. The availability of onsen for a wash and soak after skiing would help keep the van and travellers smelling fresh. Somewhere to get a hot shower without booking into caravan park or motel can be hard to find in Australia. Accommodation sometimes just needs to be somewhere to sleep and keep gear stored during the day. If the plan is to spend more time in bars and restaurants at night instead of in the accommodation place, sleeping in a camper or would be ok for me. In a heated Camroad, getting ready in the morning to go skiing would be comfortable, not so much if sleeping in a freezing cramped car. An occasional night in a car with a good inflatable insulation mat and a four season sleeping bag would be ok. Maybe not where it's -10C or colder overnight.
 
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They say this campervan has enough space for 5 adults and 2 children sleeping, however, I'd say 4 or less is better for adult people with ski gears (3 or less will be better for "international tourists" in that they carry big suitcases too). It's about 25,000 Yen per day (You can hire it in Narita, Tokyo, etc). 25,000 Yen means it's about 6,000 Yen per person if you hire it with 3 other people. And, once you hire it, you don't need to hire a car, and it means it can be reasonable in the end. Edit: The guy in the video below is 180cm (it might help you understand the sizes of the campervan)


I happened to find this video. It's Zao Onsen with a small campervan mid December (Edit: it's the last season). I remember the last season had a good start (plenty of snow around December 20th, IIRC).
 

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Most ski resort regions = Inaka = lands are cheap and it means you can find parking lots for free. Even if not, you can find very cheap ones. As you mentioned, I think parking lots of Michi no Eki are usually for free. And, most parking lots of "Visitor Center" (the sites which provide you the information about the tourists destinations nearby) are often for free.

For example, one of our ski property sites is Urabandai and it has some (or many?) free parking lots. There are some others. They are close enough to ski resorts nearby and they are are close enough to hotels that let you use their Onsen / public bath even if you don't stay there. It's just Urabandai's case but most ski resort regions are similar.
DSC_1097.jpg


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Nekoma Rikyu (it's a hotel near Nekoma ski resort, Urabandai) is one of many (I'm trying to show you just one specific example). You can use their Onsen even if you don't stay there. One thing you need to know is, some or many of them won't let you use their Onsens after 6pm. I mean, night hours = their Onsen tend to be exclusive to their guests (= the people who are staying at the hotels). So, it's better for you to take Onsen before having dinner soon after skiing.
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Parking lots in downtown are also cheap enough. For example, Morioka is the capital of Iwate Pref, which means, there are many bars, restaurants, etc as well. And, Morika is close enough to ski resorts in Iwate Pref. Parking in the center of Morioka's downtown over night can be 800 Yen, and I think it's very cheap.
Ski during the day, stop by an onsen after to wash then find an overnight park in Morioka, go out for dinner and fun then drive back to the same or a different ski resort early in the morning. Can't see many negatives if travelling with a good friend or two for company except not getting time to know people in one place and not having lodge interactions with other snow-lovers in evenings. Though my limited experience of bigger Japanese hotels is that I didn't see much interaction between guests. Socialising more likely in their rooms with their own group. Overnighting in an onsen that has the option for guests to sleep in tatami rooms is something I'd do too to get a break from sleeping in a campervan.
 

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Some hotels let you use their Onsen at night as well even if you don't stay. You only need to know in advance which ones are the best for your group. For example, Shousuke, my favorite Onsen Ryokan in Higashiyama Onsen in Aizu Wakamatsu city (it's the biggest city of Aizu region) let you use their great Onsen at night too and they'll give you ice cream and drink for free. The images below are Onsen of the Onsen Ryokan (Shousuke).

Edit: Onsen of Shosuke is 1200 Yen, IIRC (ice cream and drink included) and it's expensive if compared to most other ones. If you don't need "good Onsen", you can find some cheaper ones nearby in stead.

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By the way, a lot of ski resorts have parking lots which are open for 24 hours. Most ski resorts in Japan have Onsen / bath facilities and restaurants. So, you can simply keep the campervan at the parking lot of the ski resort over night, having dinner and having bath at the ski resort.

Of course, you need to confirm in advance if you can do it at the specific ski resorts you are visiting.
 
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Some hotels let you use their Onsen at night as well even if you don't stay. You only need to know in advance which ones are the best for your group. For example, Shousuke, my favorite Onsen Ryokan in Higashiyama Onsen in Aizu Wakamatsu city (it's the biggest city of Aizu region) let you use their great Onsen at night too and they'll give you ice cream and drink for free. The images below are Onsen of the Onsen Ryokan (Shousuke).

Edit: Onsen of Shosuke is 1200 Yen, IIRC (ice cream and drink included) and it's expensive if compared to most other ones. If you don't need "good Onsen", you can find some cheaper ones nearby in stead.

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That is a beautiful onsen.
 
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Spent many nights in vans elsewhere but always wondering how you go with drying outerwear and boots in a van in Japan? What are the overnight heaters like?
 

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Spent many nights in vans elsewhere but always wondering how you go with drying outerwear and boots in a van in Japan? What are the overnight heaters like?

Special heaters (we call them "FF heater") are equipped with the vans for skiing. With those heaters, you can dry your gears easily (and keep the van nicely warm). However, not sure if those heaters are equipped with the vans you are hiring, so you need to ask beforehand.
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Special heaters (we call them "FF heater") are equipped with the vans for skiing. With those heaters, you can dry your gears easily (and keep the van nicely warm). However, not sure if those heaters are equipped with the vans you are hiring, so you need to ask beforehand.
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Definitely I'd want one of those but I'd also be aimiing to hang out in a warm place like a hotel public space or an interesting bar and get my gear off for it to start drying. However I wouldn't get ALL my gear off then. That is reserved for the nice warm bath part of the evening and if I should be so lucky as to "get lucky" later on.
 
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In Japan, laundromat is called "Coin Laundry" and you can wash and dry your clothes and some ski wears easily and cheaply. You can find them easily. That said, I don't think you can dry boots there except at some special coin laundries.
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In Japan, laundromat is called "Coin Laundry" and you can wash and dry your clothes and some ski wears easily and cheaply. You can find them easily. That said, I don't think you can dry boots there except at some special coin laundries.
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The machines look huge! Ski boots would be a bit noisy bashing their way around inside a clothes dryer lol. Just kidding.
Also, turn up the car heater, direct it to the feet and get the front seat passenger working to dry out the boots a bit on the afternoon drive from the ski field to the onsen or restaurant. Repeat on the way to the sky field in the morning to warm up the boots. Though ideally I'd be parked overnight in the ski area car park near the first lift for an early start, unless it was too high in altitude for the diesel camper heater to work well.
 
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They say this campervan has enough space for 5 adults and 2 children sleeping, however, I'd say 4 or less is better for adult people with ski gears (3 or less will be better for "international tourists" in that they carry big suitcases too). It's about 25,000 Yen per day (You can hire it in Narita, Tokyo, etc). 25,000 Yen means it's about 6,000 Yen per person if you hire it with 3 other people. And, once you hire it, you don't need to hire a car, and it means it can be reasonable in the end. Edit: The guy in the video below is 180cm (it might help you understand the sizes of the campervan)


I happened to find this video. It's Zao Onsen with a small campervan mid December (Edit: it's the last season). I remember the last season had a good start (plenty of snow around December 20th, IIRC).
Thanks for the videos, particularly the second one with old mate in the mini van. Most of the camper sites I've looked at have similar videos to the one posted with the walk through of the van though that's the most in depth and helps visualise the size of things when you'll have luggage etc
 
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Looks like they are about $300 a day in winter season assuming 20% discount for 20+day rental then adding some back on for insurance. If four adults are paying, $75 a day. For two people, a car plus accom would be cheaper but not as flexible. Another option for two is to get a station wagon or van (not a camper) big enough to carry the luggage and to sleep in and stay in accom with occasionally sleeping in the vehicle at lower altitudes with good sleeping gear.
 
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Thanks for the videos, particularly the second one with old mate in the mini van. Most of the camper sites I've looked at have similar videos to the one posted with the walk through of the van though that's the most in depth and helps visualise the size of things when you'll have luggage etc

The car (van) in the video was not originally a campervan. A lot of skiers and snowboarders buy used vans like Toyota Hiace to make them campervans for skiing / snowboarding. Toyota Hiace is relatively reasonable and a lot of cheap used Hiace are available in Japan.

10 seater or less, you can drive the car with the normal driving license here in Japan. Toyota Hiace is 10 seater and it's reasonable, so, a lot of people here buy used Hiace and renovate it to use it as a campervan for travelling, skiing, snowboarding, etc. The campervan in the video below was originally Hiace.


This is also Hiace.


This is also Hiace.


DIY renovation from an old / used Hiace to a mini campervan.


And, this one is Hiace for anglers (I love fishing:fishing: as well:p).
 

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Looks like they are about $300 a day in winter season assuming 20% discount for 20+day rental then adding some back on for insurance. If four adults are paying, $75 a day. For two people, a car plus accom would be cheaper but not as flexible. Another option for two is to get a station wagon or van (not a camper) big enough to carry the luggage and to sleep in and stay in accom with occasionally sleeping in the vehicle at lower altitudes with good sleeping gear.
If it ends up being just two of us we will 100% be going a car and accommodation option.
 
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The car (van) in the video was not originally a campervan. A lot of skiers and snowboarders buy used vans like Toyota Hiace to make them campervans for skiing / snowboarding. Toyota Hiace is relatively reasonable and a lot of cheap used Hiace are available in Japan.

10 seater or less, you can drive the car with the normal driving license here in Japan. Toyota Hiace is 10 seater and it's reasonable, so, a lot of people here buy used Hiace and renovate it to use it as a campervan for travelling, skiing, snowboarding, etc. The campervan in the video below was originally Hiace.


This is also Hiace.


This is also Hiace.


DIY renovation from an old / used Hiace to a mini campervan.


And, this one is Hiace for anglers (I love fishing:fishing: as well:p).

On one hand, the end result is pretty funky. And I wish good luck anyone wishing to try such a vehicle.

It might work for smallish people - esp. as a ‘cosy young couple’, & for short-term, better, warmer weather, with plenty of time outside to stretch legs - not including ski time. I’m thinking more for an Aussie summer / warmer months. Beach-hopping. Bushwalking access? Etc…

For this ~ 6’3 dude, trapped inside with a non-partner other, largeish male for a few weeks in winter is a new definition of hell. :evil: :eek:

Sorry, a small wagon/hatch for ski storage and a B&B / budget motel, gets my gong. :cool: :ski:

Ps: for a decent trip length, You need to be able to stand straight for periods - especially post skiing? :thumbs:
 
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On one hand, the end result is pretty funky. And I wish good luck anyone wishing to try such a vehicle.

It might work for smallish people - esp. as a ‘cosy young couple’, & for short-term, better, warmer weather, with plenty of time outside to stretch legs - not including ski time. I’m thinking more for an Aussie summer / warmer months. Beach-hopping. Bushwalking access? Etc…

For this ~ 6’3 dude, trapped inside with a non-partner other, largeish male for a few weeks in winter is a new definition of hell. :evil: :eek:

Sorry, a small wagon/hatch for ski storage and a B&B / budget motel, gets my gong. :cool: :ski:

Ps: for a decent trip length, You need to be able to stand straight for periods - especially post skiing? :thumbs:
Lie down straight. Or stand in the izakaya doing an all you can drink dinner session then walk outside and go straight to bed. That can would be very nice for Oz winter weekend with my partner and occasionally the teens for a Friday night sleep before a Stirling day. Pity there are so few 4wd campers in Oz. Importing a used Japanese factory built HiAce or Camroad camper is an attractive option.
 

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This one at New Chitose Airport (Hokkaido) is 9,900 Yen per day. I think it's roomy enough for 3 adults with ski gears, so 3,300 Yen per day per person. I'd day it's not easy to find cheaper ones (I have never seen such vans less than 10,000 Yen per day).

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Need to add 8900 Yen pp for a bedding set each. Or if on a tight budget, just rent a couple of mattresses and take a warm sleeping bag and buy a fresh pillow each at a co-op shop.
 

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On one hand, the end result is pretty funky. And I wish good luck anyone wishing to try such a vehicle.

It might work for smallish people - esp. as a ‘cosy young couple’, & for short-term, better, warmer weather, with plenty of time outside to stretch legs - not including ski time. I’m thinking more for an Aussie summer / warmer months. Beach-hopping. Bushwalking access? Etc…

For this ~ 6’3 dude, trapped inside with a non-partner other, largeish male for a few weeks in winter is a new definition of hell. :evil: :eek:

Sorry, a small wagon/hatch for ski storage and a B&B / budget motel, gets my gong. :cool: :ski:

Ps: for a decent trip length, You need to be able to stand straight for periods - especially post skiing? :thumbs:
Mmm, that van would be very good for me and the missus in 2023 for a month cruising around Hokkaido with some "luxury" days in a hotel in Otaru mid-trip to get a break from the close quarters. Might also be a discount for a month long rental.
 

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If you get tired after sleeping in a van, you can use "Love Hotel". Here in Japan, hotels designed for couples having sex are called Love Hotel, and they are very cheap. It's like 6,000 Yen per night "per room", so, it's 3,000 Yen per person. They accept gays and lesbians too, so, you can use those hotels with the same-sex friend too. And, actually, it's kind of common for young people and I also used to stay at them with friends when I was a university student (not often, though):p

About Love Hotel (Wikipedia) : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_hotel




Japan’s Love Hotels: What You Need To Know Before You Go​

 

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If you get tired after sleeping in a van, you can use "Love Hotel". Here in Japan, hotels designed for couples having sex are called Love Hotel, and they are very cheap. It's like 6,000 Yen per night "per room", so, it's 3,000 Yen per person. They accept gays and lesbians too, so, you can use those hotels with the same-sex friend too. And, actually, it's kind of common for young people and I also used to stay at them with friends when I was a university student (not often, though):p

About Love Hotel (Wikipedia) : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_hotel




Japan’s Love Hotels: What You Need To Know Before You Go​

Haven't tried one yet but with capsule hotels getting to be expensive a cheaper "rabuho" stay rate could be a better option for even just one person. Convenient also for people who don't have an accommodation booking and need a bed for one night. Don't expect there would be many love hotels in inaka (rural) areas. Nagano, Sapporo probably have them.
 

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I'm avoiding capsule hotels in future. The few times I've used one when traveling light and alone, I have found them to be noisy, too hot and you don't get much privacy. The novelty value has worn off. For not much more or maybe the same cost, a single could get a cheap business hotel room with privacy , more luggage storage then a capsule hotel locker and better quality sleep. Or try a love hotel. Or a hostel for potential social opportunities. For more than one night, it's good to have somewhere to keep luggage and not have to pack up in the mornings, which would be a disadvantage of a love hotel. Love hotels deserve their own thread.
 
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I'm avoiding capsule hotels in future. The few times I've used one when traveling light and alone, I have found them to be noisy, too hot and you don't get much privacy. The novelty value has worn off. For not much more or maybe the same cost, a single could get a cheap business hotel room with privacy , more luggage storage then a capsule hotel locker and better quality sleep. Or try a love hotel. Or a hostel for potential social opportunities. For more than one night, it's good to have somewhere to keep luggage and not have to pack up in the mornings, which would be a disadvantage of a love hotel. Love hotels deserve their own thread.
Something different for that ‘very special night’ eh? :whistle:

Or if travelling with Mrs Goski, lift your budget limit a bit have an enjoyable, relaxing holiday? ;)
 
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