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Question Camping for the 2019 season

Discussion in 'Snow Talk' started by Sage Oya, Nov 15, 2018.

  1. Sage Oya

    Sage Oya Like the herb, lover of Pabst Ski Pass: Gold

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    So the 2019 Australian season is miles off but Marcelle and I have finally committed to camping next season. Bit the bullet and bought an MSR Remote 2 four season tent but am now debating which way to go for sleeping systems.

    Currently I'm planing on buying Sea to summit APIII bags (lower limit -5 c & extreme -22c) and combining with the comfort plus insulated sleeping mats but was wondering if there were any other brands/options to consider at this price point given it's a fair amount of coin?

    Cheers,

    Sage

    PS looking forward to meeting some of the Diggins/Ngario regulars :p
     
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  2. Moondog55

    Moondog55 One of Us

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    How long will you be camping for at any one stage? Above the snowline and touring on skis or just in the campground and not on snow?
    There are some base camp alternatives that I prefer for car camping but for touring those are very good bags and about the right temperature rating for here. I use that same mat but add a CCF under it for snow camping
     
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  3. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Owmuchisit? You can buy MONT ones at their sales at a pretty good price, my Telemark is plenty good enough for here, about $400 on sale I think. If car camping, go to a foam and rubber store, and chat with them, they can cut you something to fit, that will be moar comfy and warm than any camp style mat.
     
  4. Snow Blowey

    Snow Blowey Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Dont do fancy down bags for car camping. Much better more comfy with a proper bed, sheets and down quilt. And again on the tent, no need to go light weight alpine for the car. Hopped swag much better, more comfy andmore durable.
     
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    hpsauce A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    S2S stuff is usually nicely done......but that seems like a lot of RRP coin for a bag of that weight and rating.
    Also.....at lower limit -5, I would have thought you'd be sleeping with a fleece ++ on every night in mid winter, at Ngarigo on the ground.
    The mat is a good choice. I love mine. But have not tried many modern alternatives other that ye ol thermarests.
     
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  6. hpsauce

    hpsauce A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    ..in terms of bag options.....RRP in Australia is butt-hurt level ...even for local brands like Mont. So I have always ordered from OS.
    I'd look at Mountain Equipment (the UK one) as an option......and see if I could get one shipped from UK or euro somewhere.
     
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  7. Sage Oya

    Sage Oya Like the herb, lover of Pabst Ski Pass: Gold

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    Most likely at this stage it will just be overnight (Saturdays) in the campgrounds with Marcelle. Would like to be able to use the gear to do some touring down the track too though.
     
  8. Sage Oya

    Sage Oya Like the herb, lover of Pabst Ski Pass: Gold

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    The S2S APIII bags are about $700 a piece and the mats about $240 so not cheap.

    Ive actually already have a thick double sized diamantina 4wd sleeping mat which would be much more comfortable but it takes up way too much space in our suzi. Its about the same size as me rolled up lol LOL. I usually only take it if we're going away camping for a few days.
     
  9. POW_hungry

    POW_hungry Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    FWIW, don’t touch Exped 7DW, I blew a baffle mid-season this year and whilst the retailer did a good job at servicing me with a replacement (to warranty) seems to be a common fault.
    If you’re prepared to fork out ~$240 And plan on using it as a light weight mat in the future (touring); go for it!
    Otherwise I recommend a swag with pillows/doona etc for Ngarigo/Diggings etc. they handle the wind better...

    Be ready to pull into the campsites early each weekend next season... they’re reaching peak capacity in July/August weekends these days.

    I did most of July and August in Diggings this year and she was tight on the weekend warrior days. Be prepared for some dickheads too... it’s everyones responsibility to politely call them out when you can I reckon. A community vibe is what those places need not drunk weekend cowboys.
     
  10. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    ^yep, very disappointing IMO, I think it may be the wonkers moved on from around the lake. The demographic is changing, and not for the better. Its only a matter of time before you need to book.
     
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  11. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Isn't it lovely to have a warm caravan on those wild friday nights with sideways rain...?
     
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    POW_hungry Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Chit yer
     
  13. Sage Oya

    Sage Oya Like the herb, lover of Pabst Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yep, hope we'll be able to find space with what appears to be an ever increasing number of campers :confused:
     
  14. crackson

    crackson A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Parks will respond proactively and anticipate/mitigate the problem with a new campground or two in the next couple of seasons.

    :)
     
  15. Wheres Walle

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    I reckon for Australian conditions the AP is overdoing it - I use the TS3 as my go to for touring overnighters, sleeping on the ground en route to the mountains, sometimes in the car, whatever really. Even used in AK in spring successfully. I sleep really cold and have always found it's been enough - when i'm wearing my puffy and layered up inside, other mates with the same bag are shirts off. Got mine for about $440 from memory too, so a fair bit cheaper than the Alpine ones.
     
  16. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Ha
    Better odds of them putting up fences

    Though seriously, whats happening to the land at Waste point now all the homes are being vamooshed?
     
  17. crackson

    crackson A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    New campgrounds.
     
  18. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    With fancy huts/squats?
     
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  19. hpsauce

    hpsauce A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Campers defo start pumping in from friday arvo through till midnight through August!
    The space problem seems to only be caused by selfish turds deciding to park up their 4X4, or hatch, or bus on the grass beside their tent. turns the camping area into a mudbath and destroys a dozen perfectly nice tent camping spots.
     
  20. Jacko4650

    Jacko4650 One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    So, who's up for camping in this season, now that we are getting closer and closer to the season start? My season planning began mid way thru last season, so I've had plenty of things to work on whenever I get some spare time. A neighbouring camper I kept in touch with has upgraded: duel cab ute, aluminium cab on the back, caravan (one that includes internal shower this time), plumbing insulation, skis, gas heater system, season pass for wife etc.
    I've been focusing more on smaller issues, like diesel heater upgrade, more water storage capacity, weather covers for firewood etc. Main camping spots for me will be Island Bend near Guthega, Jindabyne, Dalgety (Sat nights are a hoot at the Nuggets Crossing Hotel) and Mt Beauty (to take advantage of the Epic Pass covering Falls and Hotham this year.) I plan to spend the whole season skiing and camping, snow quality dependent.
     
  21. Moondog55

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    The season starts in 6 weeks and I still haven't repaired the damage to my tarp from last year let alone get any preparations done.
     
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    northsail One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Thinking of a diesel heater for our camper trailer. Any positive/negative advice. Possible brands??
     
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  23. coolair

    coolair One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    I will be in st martians in the Caribbean for July then Island bend for August, my wife
    is int keen on the cold , cant afford Thredbo hotel as well so will be solo or with a Daughter or two.
    That is the problem of having a seasonal business, I have to have two big holidays in two months and I love camping at the snow, big boss likes hotels.
     
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  24. Jacko4650

    Jacko4650 One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    They now have all-in-one portable units which may be a consideration? Well know brands are $1200-$2000 whereas Chinese knock-offs are $200-$300 and are quite reliable so an easy decision. You will get a fair bit of heat loss in the camper trailer, so 8Kw might be the go. The important thing for alpine areas is the fuel mix as "alpine" additives in Alpine Diesel can cause terrible carbon build up in the combustion chamber, leading to failure = not good. After numerous years and too many repair jobs, I will be taking "normal" diesel and Kerosene, mixing between 20-50%. It costs more, but is worth the coin as it still only amounts to a few dollars each day. Plenty Of YTube Videos you can look up. One Aussie guy is very knowledgeable and has something like 15 videos on different parts of Chinese Diesel heaters! eg:
    The other quick tip is to install one where it is very easy to in-install for repairs when needed. It's not a matter if IF rather WHEN so think about the ice, slush, snow, mud and other things you might encounter getting one out for repairs. Otherwise, they are sensational!
     
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  25. climberman

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  26. snowgum

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    Must be a ‘socialist’ NSW response!

    Here in Vic you’re on your own!
    Its get a bed like all other mugs.
     
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    How noisy are they? Big difference in noise with Chinese vs Yamaha/Honda generators. Maybe slower revving diesels not such a problem??
     
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    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Thought generators were banned in national parks? If not they should be! Feel the serenity?
     
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  29. Jacko4650

    Jacko4650 One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    My first diesel heater was fairly noisy, but the one I recently installed is significantly quieter both inside and outside (for neighbours). My air-conditioner is much louder IMO.
    The remote control is cool - turn on when you wake up, hit the snooze button for 10 minutes and then get up to a very warm environment! Ski boots and gloves get put in front of the outlet 10 minutes before I leave for the slopes so they are very dry and comfy. This is the model: I ordered a digital screen and remote control separately for another $29 or so
    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12V-5KW...tat-Silencer-Knob-switch-Caravan/223488842682
     
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    Jacko4650 One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    They are banned, at least in Kosi national Park! Some people couldn't give a damn about others though. I don't even take mine - not needed these days.
     
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    Jacko4650 One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    I might add I was a very peeved when staying in the caravan park in Jindabyne and somebody kept starting up their generator. FFS, pay the extra and book a powered site if you want to run your microwave!
     
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    Have a look at the Sea to Summit Trekiii bags rated to -10 Comfort factor and at around $400 are a good warm bag, love mine,,coldest I have had it is -5 and was too warm wit just a t shirt on.. Also have the comfort plus mat R5 rated and very comfortable.
     
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    just tagging this thread to come back as we are just about to head in the car and go away.

    However we camped at pretty much every weekend last year and will do same again this year. My choice if camping there is go for comfort over light and portable as you have car access. We had a good size tent and although we had sleeping bags we also had bedding and pillows. My bag was an Extreme cold weather but the wife and kids didn't have such highly rated bags and were not cold at all.
     
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    Snowy Joey One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Diesel heaters are great, got one in our coaster. Just remember to run on high for 15 mins each month to burn off the carbon deposits. Ours is currently in for repair after we got a bit slack with the maintenance.
     
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    Yes I believe they are and rightly so although there are exemptions for.medical needs or something like that. Was just interested in the noise comparison as the Chinese genies would be obnoxiously noisy. I guess the small diesels are a different thing.
    Hope to spend a few weeks camping this season and was interested in some of the wood burner solutions for tents but at this price the diesel heaters might be a better option.
    Too old and soft to cold camp for more than a couple of nights!
     
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    https://www.belltent.com.au/product/the-frontier-stove/
    $645AUD
    [​IMG]
     
  37. Jacko4650

    Jacko4650 One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Whilst they are diesel heaters and there is combustion, they don't turn any parts and are therefore very different from an engine. The diesel is the fuel used to burn inside a metal combustion chamber, electric fans push air over that metal casing to create warm (hot) air. At the same time, another fan pushes air into the combustion chamber (ie: oxygen) to create the flame and then out another hole to exhaust the burnt gases (this bit sticks outside). Hence the noise is no more than the electric fans and the sucking/blowing noises - quite different to a generator. Still, you are correct, Chinese Generators are noisy compared to Japanese versions. Noise in the diesel heaters mainly relates to the quality of (a) the bearings and (b) the balancing of the fans.
     
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  38. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I wonder how it will go this season. The campgrounds are past full. Both Diggings and Ngarigo had the full signs out by Friday eve. Some friends are camped, and late last night a bunch came in, and pitched tents in any small space they could, within a foot of others. There is a growing demographic, with no etiquette, it's only a matter of time before there is a punch up.
     
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    POW_hungry Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    IMO it's trending to be managed just like they are in the coastal parks; clearly numbered and allotted campsites with a carpark a short walk from the sites - one group per site. Meroo on the South Coast comes to mind, @nfip would know it well. That joint is full occupied from Friday to Monday AM, every weekend. Even in winter.
    Seems to be managed well that way.
    But I agree something needs to be done.
     
  40. Untele-whippet

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    It’s getting redunculous!
    I’ve been sussing out “elsewhere” places.
    #shhhhhhhhhhh
     
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    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Even the campgrounds towards Khancoban were packed.
    I got passed over 100 cars heading towards tbo. Majority with MTB on the vehicles.
     
  42. nfip

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    unfortunately it's sign of the times.
    Insta crowding.
    Population explosion ..
    just sooo many wheels, and digital memory devices in motion these days.
    old man shakes fist at cloud ! sigh...
    there's very little vacant space these days, particularly on the increasingly accessible coastline and alpine.
     
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    Jacko4650 One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    It's worse given the lack of availability of commercial sites in Jindabyne, particularly over the weekends. When campers realise they can't get a spot on town, they think: Bugger it, I might as well camp in the National Parks and stay a bit longer as I have the gear. The market is expanding rapidly and the Snowy River Regional Council has done didly squat to provide a solution and the punters are heading into the National Park accordingly. This is putting pressure on the existing infrastructure so I suspect a camping-fee system will soon be introduced to pay for the costs of rotating sites and expanding capacity, ala Vic Parks. Presently, camping is $29 per day but it is also included in a Seasonal Pass for $190 which makes it incredibly cheap if you stay for a while. I've been camping for 20 years or so thru various iterations in camping set-up and now have a small, heavy, self contained caravan. It has less environmental impact than a tent, with a couple of tyre marks about as bad as it gets. We use an open fire occasionally as a social gathering (everyone seems to know the etiquette of bringing (a) beverages and (b) token firewood), so 99% of the cooking is done inside. Shower and sink water is collected and dispersed into the bush; generally good for the soil as it breaks down clay. The diesel heater and hot water systems barely make any noise and the satellite TV none (unless of course its a close game and the Suns look like winning!)
     
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    I used to camp at Meroo many years ago, it was pretty popular back then, mostly at holiday times though. Have seen 3 metre barrels there, and also had the best body board day of my life there too. Wow so many memories just came back, thanks!
     
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    Wow. I thought Fri & Sat nights were busy during snow season. This takes the cake!
    Edit: Town has more or less doubled in past 10 years during winter (and summer with mountain bikes) so how has Council planned for camping and caravaning? If you camp in town, odds are you will spend money in town (boozers, restaurants, cinemas, pin ball parlours, other parlours, ski gear shops etc)
     
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    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    It got worse.

    Mind you was dead quiet in perms
     
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    Jees!!! Over to the right is normally my "quiet" spot mid week in winter, also a little more resistant to the winter wind bullets, short walk to Bowlo and pubs. Bugger me, I will never complain about crowding ever again!!!!
     
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