I usually only hear that from Trangia owners! - they have enough time to think up insults while they wait for their snow to melt!!telemark fred said:Yep - I find the noise of the dragonfly really noxious.
The whisperlite ahs been around the longest, followed by dragonfly then simmerlite. Thus most of us have experience with the whisperlite and it has a proven track record. Its hard to simmer and thats where the other two are better. The decibel output of the dragonfly is around 3-4 times that of the other two (at least).janus said:So out of the simmerlite, dragonfly and wisperlite, most people seem to prefer the wisperlite..
gusc said:I usually only hear that from Trangia owners! - they have enough time to think up insults while they wait for their snow to melt!!telemark fred said:Yep - I find the noise of the dragonfly really noxious.
...although I must admit I would have bought the Simmerlite over my Dragonfly if the quieter stove was around when I was buying.
BTW, there was what seemed like a pretty good article on maintaining your stove in the field in the 2nd-last Climbing magazine edition - particularly aimed at people who had to burn dirty fuels like kero on overseas expeditions. I think the same edition that had the 'vergrass' climbing article.
Whooooooooooooooooooooooooooshshshshshshshshshshsh.Simonn said:We must be some of those "big tea drinkers with big camp kitchen ideas"..
I use a Trangia with the Primus gas burner instead of the metho candle - over 3 weeks of bushwalking in NZ earlier this year we consistently used under 40g gas/person/day - and that was with a cooked brekky, afternoon soup & dinner (and not just boiling for freeze-dried - we are talking cooking!), and at least 4 hot drinks per person per day. ie a 440gm canister was lasting 3 of us four days.....
I once had a couple of girls think that they could just turn on the tap and light the burner on the whisperlite like a gas cooker. They did not know about the pre-heating requirement. The stove was sitting on a picnic table at island bend, and when I turned around to see what the shrieking was about, there was a column of flames rising nearly a metre above the heatshield, and flames on the ground beneath where the burning fuel had run off the table.Sean said:Now as someone who has used gas stoves for probably 15 years, I like having my eyebrows... love to hear you shellite stove owners tell us about any "incidents" you may have had (or heard of)... since the dreaded flare up was mentioned
Plenty of people still use metho stoves in the snow. They are still hard to light, slow, and require a greater volume and mass of fuel for the same job. Those are the reasons i wouldnt use one.Simonn said:...people still use metho trangias in the snow!!! Saw one last year on Mt Bogong!
Simonn, I have(and use) a Trangia set-up, with the option of using gas or multi-fuel (Optimus Nova). I have tried the gas option while snow camping before using the Trangia, and I must say the efficiency was amazing, much better than I expected (and so blissfully quiet and clean) - the Trangia shield made a big difference! . One thing though, we placed a small piece of closed-cell foam under the gas canister so it wouldn't touch the snow (or even better, slightly raised) and that also improved the efficiency. No problems at all.Simonn said:
I use a Trangia with the Primus gas burner instead of the metho candle
I will be taking it out again this winter, not near a hut, so we will see how it goes. Maybe in cold weather it will be crap..??
Trangias can also use a multi-fuel burner (primus..??) to combine the cold-weather efficiency of the burner with the aesthetic/design efficiency.
If you've heard his taste in music you'll understand why he doesn't think his stove is noisyskifree said:Shrek, if your conversation was any good we would suggest you get a quieter stove...but as it is...just keep the rocket motor burning.
I have used Trangia in the snow for the last few years, so far no problem, only thing is that i stick the metho thingy inside my jacket for about 15 minutes prior to cooking, that does the trick in lighting it. Ok, I haven't been in any hardcore emergency life-saving situations, but for what we have been doing, it's great.Unknown said:Question...? some people have mentioned using various branded multi fuels in trangias. But no one has mentioned using trangia multi fuels in a trangia. Is there a reason why this is? or is this a very stupid question.
See http://www.bushwalking.org.au/FAQ/ under Stoves, especially under gas stoves.janus said:I'm looking at the Kovea Camp 3 Titanium Gas stove. Obvisouly gas in the alpine during winter is an issue, but this seems like a lighter packing alternative to liquid fuel.
Yep, i use one of those camping 'toaster' thingys for this. It also stops pots sliding of the 3 tangs of the whisperlite.A mate of mine uses a wire mat to diffuse the flame of his Whisperlight when cooking risotto or pancakes and it works really well.
1. See the FAQ, and do the sums. Doesn't work that way.telemark fred said:I prefer liquid fuel stoves (other than metho) because:
1. No empty cannisters - these add up if its a long trip.
2. I reckon you get better efficiency from the liquid fuels. ie - a greater number of litres boiled per kg of fuel.
if you have access to a dehydrator, rice (cooked) is excellent dehydration fodder. It reduces to featherweight, and rehydrates really well. Bugger this 'cooking' stuff. I like to just add watermr said:
Also boiling rice, just hell-boil it for 5 mins, wrap the pot in something insulative and let it absorb in its own heat. Cook the sauce in meantime. Quick blast at the end and rice is ready to go.