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Cargo Class

Discussion in 'Flights' started by azzski, Apr 18, 2018.

  1. azzski

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    You may have read stories about Qantas developing a premium economy feature where lie-flat bunks could be provided in the cargo area for a portion of a long-haul flight (e.g east coast Australia to the USA or UK).

    https://www.smh.com.au/business/com...to-develop-a-cargo-class-20180417-p4za6z.html

    Thoughts? As a tall guy who cannot sleep in airline seats, I must say I'm intrigued (until I find out the bunks are 6-ft long and too short for me anyway). The removal of cargo space would be a big obstacle.
     
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    The question I ask regularly, 'how much?'
     
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  3. cold wombat

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    Is it a piece of 2" foam laid out on top of the cargo containers?
     
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    They keep any livestock there also do they not?
     
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    I'm 6'2", but would be keen to try it to see if I can lie diagonally. I can't sleep upright.
     
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  6. azzski

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    Yeah, my main problem is a long torso, so every single airline seat ends at the base of my neck. Reclining doesn't help, and my limited experience of business class seating hasn't helped either. Just being able to have some sort of head support would probably enable me to get at least some real sleep, so a cost effective way of providing that would be of interest to me for sure.
     
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  7. Undies

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    Yep, it's the head support that is key. You'd probably need to lie in the fetal position, but you might get an hour or 2 before needing to wake up and change.

    Economy is cruel for folks like you.
     
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  8. teckel

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    Correct. Cats, dogs, etc. And any stiffs that have to be flown. But they won't fly coffins and dogs on the same flight, I understand.
    Could be a good option though if your dog was on board. I'm sure the dog would be very happy to be accompanied by mum or dad.
    I was once on a domestic flight with a couple of my dogs in the hold. Passenger next to me commented they thought they could hear dogs barking. "Really?" I said incredulously. Yup, it was my dogs. LOL
     
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    Out of interest, was that domestic or international? Any issues with the process?
     
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    Cargo class to attract Americans to long haul routes ....

    LOL
     
  11. teckel

    teckel Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    That was domestic. I have flown dogs internationally, but never on the same flight as me. So, issues with which? International or domestic. Domestic's pretty easy - book well in advance and have the right crate. International - start organising 6 months in advance - veterinary requirements are detailed and arduous. Dogs themselves - do not sedate them - they need to be able to brace themselves for take off and landing. Comfy bedding with newspaper underneath to absorb any urine. Water bowl firmly attached to the inside of the door with a tube going out the door so it can be filled. Crates need to be held together with metal screws, not plastic ones. Crate must meet IATA requirements. Include a toy if the dog likes a toy for comfort.
     
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    It must be joking because the ICAO and FAA have standards used worldwide on acceptable evacuation times. Also cargo area fire suppression systems aren't always right up to the mark. How do you evavuate quickly from there in case of a fire and or hull loss crash on landing?
     
  13. teckel

    teckel Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Did you read the article? Access to the hull bedding would only be available at certain times - obviously not during takeoff and landing.
     
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    I’m not sure a few hours on mattress in the hold is going to be the carrot that attracts the Yanks to our shores in droves. It’s too far away is just an excuse.

    This plan is aimed at PE.

    Need more info before I diss the idea as anything that makes a journey more comfortable is a good thing.

    But I’d wager it’s the peeps up the back in economy on a 17hr flight who would be most in need of a few hours to stretch out, lay flat and catch some zzz’s.
     
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    I wonder if you could share the bed amongst a few passengers? After take off one of you has it, then pass to the next, and so on. 4 hours sleep on a long haul flight would be a revelation for me.
     
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    sharing with other passengers - that will work for me;)
     
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    Can the stewards still bring your Scotch?
     
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  18. azzski

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    I believe this is the plan, at least in the early stages. Sleep shifts.

    If PE offered me 4 hours of lie-flat sleep on a long-haul flight, I'd be a helluva lot more inclined to take it up than I am currently. As said above though, it's early days in the development process.
     
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    Yep
    Underfloor crew rest compartments have been a thing for a very long time.
    Will need supervision, emergency equipment, ventilation... Fire suppression that exists in cargo compartments could pose a hazard. Can't remember how that's handled, I think it's just a matter of evacuating the compartment and sealing.
     
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    It will make it much easier to join the mile high club. Will there be privacy screens?
     
  23. JoeKing

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    ..Or an observation deck?
     
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    [nods approvingly]
     
  26. LMB

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    You’d think...
    I’m still trying to work out how people get away with it.

    We went First on an Emirates A380. The ones with the shower rooms. Plenty of room in there for shenanigans behind closed doors but good luck getting past the nazi-esque flight crew “one person at a time madam!”
    Shite!
     
  27. JoeKing

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    The key is to apply a subterfuge.
     
  28. teckel

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    But Emirates! What else would you expect?
     
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    This is true.
    Don’t have a poker face sadly.
    Subterfuge is not my thing...
     
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    So much work for the flight attendant, how much effort would be required to wake a deep sleeping person. Maybe a poke and a prod.....
     
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    Emirates first just doesn't allow that kind of behaviour and the width of beds is minute. Qantas first on the other hand doesn't have showers but the bed suites are 3/4 size. Crew I found were less nazi like however did suggest to me that after a few hours together with wifey that the captain did require passengers to return to their assigned seats.
    Mission accomplished.
     
  32. JoeKing

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    A few hours. Mission accomplished. ?

    Far too generous.
     
  33. Red_switch

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    This is how you sleep on a plane:
    [​IMG]
     
  34. teckel

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    Under a helicopter? :confused:
     
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    Red_switch Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: 30 Day

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    why not?
     
  36. Sandy

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    The neck is the tipping point for me. Legs are definitely uncomfortable, but I reckon I could nod off for an hour or two before the leg situation got too much (or until a hostie runs into my knee - always get an aisle seat for that little bit of extra leg freedom).

    No support behind the head though means within 10 minutes max, I'll wake up. Unless I'm lucky enough to get the vacant seat jackpot of course, but I'm hardly alone there!
     
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    There's another type of option. It you have a look at the seating arrangement near the back of the aircraft, where the tail tapers, some change from 3 seats to 2. If it's vacant, get the window seat, it has a big gap between the seat and the window, and not the first one, but one behind another 2, and not the back one. You can slide your legs out the side into the gap.
    e.g. Seats 70,71,72. A,B & J,K
    [​IMG]
    There are different combos in different planes.

    The neck. I often use the blanket, fold it length ways so it's about 15-20cm wide, then roll each end. Put it behind your neck, with the roll each side of your head.
     
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    I'm all legs, so anything that proves more space for me to sleep is welcome. I happily pay to get an exit row seat these days rather than the old ways of getting there early and hoping you can snag one. The other key to sleeping on flights that I've yet to see mentioned is of course the appropriate drugs. An accomodating doctor can help ensure Sydney to Dubai can pass pretty quickly with the correct scripts!
     
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    I tend to call that end of the plane scream-town, because of all the babies and toddlers on a full flight :(

    The blanket doesn't work, because my neck starts above where the head rest ends, unless I'm slouching - which because of leg length, isn't really possible in economy.

    I used to try and be one of the first to check in and beg an exit row seat, which would work most of the time - but nearly all airlines have monetized that option now. So now I usually pay the extra.
     
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    That’s how I wake my missus up on the weekend
     
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    Given Cargo is more profitable than Passenger (at least in % terms) for Qantas there would be some resistance to the idea from Cargo unless the bunks truly are packed together like submariners experience.
     
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    U mean we could share with other random ppl?
     
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    Hot bunking?
     
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    On Air NZ, the back couple of rows are key.