Question Chains for driving to Thredbo

Interruptedbyfireworks

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Hi everyone,

I am going to drive up to Thredbo over the next few days/this weekend, during which time the weather looks like it is going to be pretty crazy. I have an AWD, so as far as I’m aware I don’t legally need to carry chains to drive just to Thredbo (coming from Jindy direction). However, I am not very confident driving in snow/ice and I’m pretty risk-averse in general. Also I’ve only ever driven to Thredbo in the summer.

So, my question is, should I go hire some chains for my AWD noting the developing weather this system this week?

Side note, what are my chances of getting stuck at Thredbo if it does start snowing heavily etc?

Thank you in advance, and also sorry in advance if this has been asked a million times before, I guess I was more wondering about the next few days specifically.
 

Ozgirl

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It is always a good idea. I have a set of Snowsocks, which are fabric tyre covers, that I always chuck in the car in winter. I have also fitted chains to a 2WD to get out of Thredbo.
I thought snowsocks were banned in NSW?

Side note, what are my chances of getting stuck at Thredbo if it does start snowing heavily etc?

Don't think i know of anyone getting stuck in Thredbo who has a AWD.

Just don't be the first one out of the village. Follow others.

It does not take long for the road to get chopped up.

Drive to the conditions.
Slow and steady wins the race.
 

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I thought snowsocks were banned in NSW?



Don't think i know of anyone getting stuck in Thredbo who has a AWD.

Just don't be the first one out of the village. Follow others.

It does not take long for the road to get chopped up.

Drive to the conditions.
Slow and steady wins the race.
Snowsocks aren’t legally a chains equivalent, but as chains aren’t legally required to be carried between the Kosciusko Rd and Thredbo, you would presumably be free tonight them if you felt you needed them.

I dunno how all that goes in a major snow event, where they may direct you to fit chains.
 

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You also have to consider that is DOES NOT MATTER how many wheels are driven 2WD or 4WD. that will not help you when braking.

When you hit the brakes you will slide if the surface is icy.

The 4WD may then come in handy trying to get out of the ditch afterwards.

Get some chains
 

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Don't bother with hiring chains unless you actually need them on the way up. If you need them for the trip back, you can hire them at the servo in Thredbo and drop them off in Jindabyne. If you've got a funny vehicle, you might want to ring the servo (Jamie 0402 599 099) to check whether they've got chains to fit.
 

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Lots of good advice, thank you! The thought of sliding whilst going downhill and ending up in a ditch will now haunt my dreams, much appreciated ;)

I’ve hired chains before when going to Vic ski fields, and it was actually a pain trying to find somewhere that stocked my size. So I will call the Thredbo servo and probably also look into getting chains anyway in the future, since I’d prefer the peace of mind knowing I always have them rather than pocketing the extra $$$!

But since I’m probably going to get a new car after this season, are used chains and reselling a thing?
 

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What sort of AWD have you got? The fitting of chains to AWD's can be a bit confusing (which wheels they go on etc)
 
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It's not confusing at all. If it's AWD or 4WD put them on the front; if it's 2WD put them on the back. Simple.
Yeah nah
depends on the type of AWD..... the split % to the drive wheels varies from brand to brand and system to system
 

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And for driving from Khancoban? I'd imagine they are recommended given road altitude gets to 1600m? Does that section of road after Geehi get closed in bad weather?
 

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And for driving from Khancoban? I'd imagine they are recommended given road altitude gets to 1600m? Does that section of road after Geehi get closed in bad weather?
Required for 2wd. I think they clear the road pretty well, it's more likely closed due to landslides or trees down.
 
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If there is snow, and you are driving during daylight hours, it will be ploughed. Just drive slowly, no sudden moves, patience, and its easy. Don't put yourself in a situation where you need to touch the brakes.

I carry a shovel, in case I need to dig myself out.
 

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And for driving from Khancoban? I'd imagine they are recommended given road altitude gets to 1600m? Does that section of road after Geehi get closed in bad weather?
After thredbo its is required that you carry chains for all 2wd cars.

It is not a requirement to carry chains at all in NSW for 4wd.
 

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If there is snow, and you are driving during daylight hours, it will be ploughed. Just drive slowly, no sudden moves, patience, and its easy. Don't put yourself in a situation where you need to touch the brakes.

I carry a shovel, in case I need to dig myself out.

Good tips, thank you. It’s a manual so I usually use the gears to drive slowly downhill anyway, I imagine that’s good practice for snowy weather too...?
 
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Yeah will do, over-preparation is kinda my middle name so I’ll probably read it front to back and practice fitting them three times haha.
I'd practice five times and read the section on snow chains LOL
There is alot of confusing noise about awd and 4wd systems on GVs. There seems to be alot of variance on the torque spit % according to what model you have.
 

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If there is snow, and you are driving during daylight hours, it will be ploughed. Just drive slowly, no sudden moves, patience, and its easy. Don't put yourself in a situation where you need to touch the brakes.

I carry a shovel, in case I need to dig myself out.
Sounds like you should carry a rifle and a spotlight.
 
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Sounds like you should carry a rifle and a spotlight.
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I have an AWD. I have also used Snowsocks or their equivalent in France including steep icy back streets of Val d'Isere where they were rock solid.
Have considered them. Never got around to doing anything though.
 

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I am wondering what insurance would say?

Not being difficult but it does pose the question... if they (who are they? Cops or NPWS or RMS) don't like them will insurance care?
 
Snowsocks aren’t legally a chains equivalent, but as chains aren’t legally required to be carried between the Kosciusko Rd and Thredbo, you would presumably be free tonight them if you felt you needed them.

I dunno how all that goes in a major snow event, where they may direct you to fit chains.


Climberman is correct, I hope you find this additional information helpful.

Textile or fabric snow socks, (Auto socks or Rud Soft Spike etc), are not approved for use as a snow chain in Victoria for 2WD, 4WD or AWD vehicles or in NSW for 2WD vehicles. In NSW, a textile or fabric snow sock can be used on any vehicle other than a 2WD because, because at this time, there is no requirement to use any snow chain "or traction device" at all on these types of AWD/4WD vehicles.
refer http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents...vsi-57-driving-in-ice-and-snow-conditions.pdf

Snow socks that comply with the test procedures V-5121, and are marked V-5121, are defined in V-5121 as a 'traction device' & NOT a snow chain, never have been a snow chain, never will be a snow chain.
The only test standard for snow chains is V-5117 and V-5119

Wheel chain compatibility………...http://snowtyres.com.au/safety/wheel-chain-compatability/
Wheel chain regulations……………..http://snowtyres.com.au/safety/australian-regulations/
 

Ozgirl

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But will someone think of the insurance!!!

(in all seriousness - i think it was my outback which said chains are not suitable for the vehicle (those pesky manuals), and it made us wonder what would happen with insurance if the vehicles operating manual went against it?
 

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But will someone think of the insurance!!!

(in all seriousness - i think it was my outback which said chains are not suitable for the vehicle (those pesky manuals), and it made us wonder what would happen with insurance if the vehicles operating manual went against it?
Yeah i've read same for subies in the manuals
Saying that though. I've seen every sort of Outback going up roads in NZ with chains on...
 

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But will someone think of the insurance!!!

(in all seriousness - i think it was my outback which said chains are not suitable for the vehicle (those pesky manuals), and it made us wonder what would happen with insurance if the vehicles operating manual went against it?

I’m guessing it depends on whether the insurance company was switched on AND they wanted all the bad publicity from rejecting your claim.

But I’m guessing the insurance company would have a reasonable right to reject a claim if you were using the vehicle in a manner that is outside of the manufacturer’s published specifications
 

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Thredbo drive is a doddle. Just make smooth movements and you will be fine.

Slippery roads are only a problem on changes of momentum. Thats turning, slowing and accelerating. Keep those smooth and there are no issues.

No chains needed.
 

telecrag

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Ive only fitted them on my 2WD when directed, fresh snow is easier than ice too.

Thanks @climberman Im still waiting to get the van back, again, farking roos. Peak hour traffic, in town FFS, one week after getting it back from the Thredbo roo. I will be fitting a bull bar, both times, I would have been fine with one dammit, you didn't use to be able to fit one, but can now.
 

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Those transporter bullbars aren't like the 4wd ones. They are a throw away item after a good roo hit - but should allow you to keep driving until its repair time. My repairs were still around $5000 even with a bar.

Time to switch insurers for you. You will not be popular.
 

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My first one did $8K damage. This last one was at 50kph, took out a headlight, bonnet, grill, and oil was pissing everywhere. My old hilux would not have noticed it.
 
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and then I find that they tend to make people put chains on when not always necessary.

Yes, but wow, the way you see some people driving, its like they can't think, and work out that snow and ice might be a bit slippery. So many times coming in during a fall, it is carnage, totally unnecessary, just stupid. Lucky its all low speed, so its rare for anyone to get hurt.
 
I’m guessing it depends on whether the insurance company was switched on AND they wanted all the bad publicity from rejecting your claim.But I’m guessing the insurance company would have a reasonable right to reject a claim if you were using the vehicle in a manner that is outside of the manufacturer’s published specifications

A little more to expand on GO's reply.. When fitting snow chains warranty and 'liability issue' also need to be consided as well as insurance cover/issues.
At RCS we advise....."Before installing and using any snow chains, you should read & follow your vehicle’s owners manual snow chain fitting information and the snow chain fitting instructions that have been supplied with the chains you have purchased or hired."

"Failure to follow the the snow chain fitting instructions will void the snow chain warranty."

"Snow chain manufacturers warranty does not cover any snow chain, purchased or hired, that are used on a vehicle that is fitted with wheels, tyres or a wheel/tyre combination, that are not approved to be fitted snow chains by the vehicle manufacturer."
 

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Yes, but wow, the way you see some people driving, its like they can't think, and work out that snow and ice might be a bit slippery. So many times coming in during a fall, it is carnage, totally unnecessary, just stupid. Lucky its all low speed, so its rare for anyone to get hurt.
The stretch from Dainers down past the Guthega turnoff is worst for unwary drivers.
 
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