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Chains to Skituibe

Discussion in 'Perisher' started by J_busworth, Aug 18, 2018.

  1. J_busworth

    J_busworth One of Us

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    I am wondering what kind of conditions are required for chains to be needed down below the Skitube. I understand that Penderlea Gap is likely the main issue, but not sure what kind of conditions are needed for snow to that level.

    *Not sure if its the right place. If it should be somewhere else happy for mods to move.*
     
  2. rocketboy

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    I would expect chains will be required within an hour or so. Depends on how heavy it is low down in next hour. Tomorrow morning will be chains first thing - though should be clear once the traffic gets on it. Carpark will be another story. Keep an eye on live traffic at https://www.livetraffic.com/desktop.html#textview .
     
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    rocketboy One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    All clear to skitube. No accumulation. Melting as it hits. Given the amount of traffic there will be it should be ok until early evening. But surely it will be chains up penderlea hill first thing Sunday morning. I plan to be on 332 down so will post an update before I leave skitube and if any issues on the hill over will update again
     
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    The satnav in my car indicates that the elevation at the top of Penderlea Gap is around the same as Rangers Station but I have noticed that the microclimate of the Wollondibby Valley is drier than the Thredbo Valley, so snow down to Ngarigo or the Diggings doesn't necessarily mean that Penderlea Gap has enough snow to require chains.
     
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  5. chicski

    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    I think the issue usually with Penderlea, and Snowline hills, is ice and steepness rather than snow
     
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    Legs Akimbo Grumblebum Ski Pass: Gold

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    scottski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Chatting to one of the Perisher managers this week. Was told that RMS are seriously looking at requiring AWD and 4WD to carry snow chains from next season.
    Seems that the main offenders for accidents in the snowfields on blizzard days are AWD and 4WD vehicles.
     
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  8. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I'd happily carry snow chains for my subaru.
    I have issues with where chains are required to be fitted for 2wd vs 4wd.
    The road conditions change too dramatically to make it feasible IMO.
    *notwithstanding some of the pathetic chain bay locations i've seen this year.
    EG last Saturday.
     
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    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    There needs to be some acknowledgement of snow tyres.
     
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    Snow Blowey Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Or just any tyres other than roadies.

    Bring ina snow driving license.
     
  11. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    This.
    Though I don't think RMS could get their head around it
     
  12. chicski

    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Maybe look at the little snowflake on the tyre?
     
  13. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Then old mate with mud snow tyres on his Landcruiser will argue they are "snow" tyres.

    *I agree with you though
     
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    person s Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    how to test?
     
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    southpaw One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    So what are the current rules? Do AWD vehicles have to carry chains beyond a certain point or are they currently completely exempt? Surely there are conditions that require chains on an AWD vehicle not using snow tyres.
     
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    Snow Blowey Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Not on any of the NSW roads that access the snowfields.
     
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    Ozgirl A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Nope - currently exempt in NSW.
     
  18. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    There are conditions for sure.
    However its not really the conditions as such. Its the other road users and their crap driving.
     
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    southpaw One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Seems surprising, I drove an AWD vehicle in Eastern Canada during winter and had to get winter tyres put on quick smart as it was too hairy without them, AWD can only do so much. I know eastern Canada and the snowys are different beasts but I reckon the exemption alone would give AWD drivers a very false sense of security.
     
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    southpaw One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Yep the idiocy on the road up to Perisher and even the skitube is breathtaking.
     
  21. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    There is a period from Rennix gap to past sponars that is ground zero for cars slipping off the road.
    Basically Guthega road turnoff
     
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    IAB A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Completely agree with this.

    2WD without chains could have made it up the hill Sat and Sun with no problems.

    But some of the tools in 4WDs overtaking was breath taking and completely unnecessary.
     
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  23. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yeah we had one. My mate driving... 4wd ute . Engaged . Keeping a 50 metre gap from car in front.
    Bloke in a X5 thinks its his gap to pass 4 cars and sling in coming down towards sponars.
     
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    Swede One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Well that'll end my skiing days in Oz.
     
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    Swede One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Yep
     
  26. D-eye

    D-eye Photographer and skier Moderator

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    with AWD/4WD when you do use chains, do you need them on all wheels?
     
  27. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    *refer to owners manual.
     
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    Ozgirl A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    I would actually love to know the ratio of 4wd accidents/run offs that actually have 4wd engaged.

    Also having the traction control off? (no idea what i am talking about be there is a button in both the pajero and the tiguan that i am supposed to turn off in snow/icy conditions, so both the 4wd and AWD cars i have owned.)
     
  29. Snow Blowey

    Snow Blowey Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Not sure about your vehicles but traction control is awesome in snow for all the vehicles i have ever owned. Its hard to get lose when you are trying to do it intentionally.
     
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    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    *turned on. Traction control engaged in snow please.

    My friend was telling me he counted 7 subarus off at one point this season. Now they have one of the best AWD/4WD systems around. The issue. Tyres.
     
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    Or slowing down. Traction doesn't help if you hit the brakes too hard.
     
  32. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Well tyres help with stopping as well.
    Ideally you want a deep tread pattern that captures as much snow as possible .
    Rather than a low profile shallow tread combo with those high performance cross hatch/chevron style treads
     
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    Don't own one, just curious :)

    I don't expect to be buying another car for at least 5 - 10 years at which time it will probably be electric, SUV, AWD and have an autopilot for most things.
     
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    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    In NZ we always fitted chains to the front wheels of subarus we had hired.
     
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  35. skull

    skull One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    It obviously does with the amount of AWD and 4WD vehicle incidents.
     
  36. chicski

    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Tyres help, haven’t felt mine slip at all since getting them. And came back to a drift behind the car on Saturday and the subi went straight through it.

    Add in driving technique, braking, using gears.
     
  37. DidSurfNowSki

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    A subi will slide even with snow tyres on in the right (wrong) conditions.
     
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  38. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Oh for sure. Next trip to Japan. I'm thinking of hiring a Levorg with snowtyres.
     
  39. chicski

    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    I have been lucky. I never enjoy icy conditions.
     
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    That said, the vehicle dynamic control (look it up) will save you when it does go. Just remember to look where you want to go and lightly dab the brakes. The technology works and saved my arse in Hokkaido. (with snow tyres)
     
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    In a modern car the safety aids, ABS, traction control and stability control do an amazing job. They can’t change the laws of physics, but they can do something the driver is unable to do, ie apply variable brake force to individual wheels, and modulate braking extremely rapidly.

    I think the talk of turning these aids off is from the old days when they were more primitive. These days most vehicles are well calibrated for snow, and vastly improved in dirt.

    There are occasions when you may need to turn them off, mainly traction control when you are bogged or stuck etc. However, for regular driving in the snow, my advice is to leave them on;)
     
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    When i lived in Bright and worked at Hotham it was considered an act of losing face amongst the locals if you had to resort to chains. My how things have changed.
     
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    Yes we fitted chains to an AWD vehicle when they were instructing 2WD vehicles toI. MHO we did not need chains on our vehicle but the owner/operator thought differently.
     
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    Drivers not tyres.

    The reason for " so many AWD/4WD" off the road is because the vast majority of cars going up the mountain are now city 4WD SUV and utes from the burbs. 97% of those behind the wheel of these vehicles haven't got a clue about driving on snow and ice.
     
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    nah ... the drivers thinking their tyres are more capable than they are..
    when in fact they are high speed low profile road tyres..
     
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    I doubt tyres register at all for the vast majority of urban AWD/4WD drivers Sponars hill is the perfect evidence if clueless snow driving.

    The chain regime is more about slowing people down into an orderly 40km/hr conga line.
     
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    Nod
     
  48. skull

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    LOL, that reminded me of a post on PSR or Jindy page. Someone asking about needing chains for their Subi AWD and how the vehicle is modified so cannot fit chains and they have special tyres aimed at performance for turning and that means they are as good a snow tyres
     
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    Be worth looking up the traction control in the Tiguan's manual, if you haven't already. Some traction control systems are multi-mode and have a specific snow mode to prevent, for example, sudden applications of power or jerky downshifts.
     
  50. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    For sure.... those slicks ... same thing.

    I've been in some expensive AWD euro vehicles driving to the snow.
    They do not behave well on snow IMO.
    Purely from the tread fitted