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Chair down on Gunbarrel, Thredbo?

Discussion in 'Thredbo' started by azzski, Jul 22, 2019.

  1. Richard

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    Mtn bike operations had nothing to do with it other than there was potentially cursory maintenance routines applied between March shutdown and June recommencement.
     
  2. gareth_oau

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    Do we know if it hit the closer or further tower in the pic?
     
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    And yet the chair stayed on, amazing!

    Must have been scheduled wind, and not a freak gust!
     
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    More interesting is that the other chair is barely moving, yet it is pretty close. Which gives credit to the claim that neither the chair in front or behind experienced the wind gust.

    With regard to it staying on, looks like a non-detachable chair, so unless the wind is also making the retaining bolt back off not really surprised with the chair staying on.
     
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    Or P are better at the cover up :out:
     
  6. azzski

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    "We" don't. The pic is our only evidence.

    You would think that Thredbo staff on the scene would have been able to identify the exact location of impact.
     
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    Something was bothering me about @Snow Blowey s 3m lever. Doesn't the chair have a hinge? Coupled with the torsion on the cable, doesn't that make it almost a universal joint? See the chair in the video above. Still plenty of leverage in a tower strike I'm sure, but it has to be twisting along the axis of the hanger bar, not straight back or sideways - it'd be more like a 1m lever arm from the centre of the chair?
     
  8. Snow Blowey

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    My understanding is that the fixed grip has a hinge. This allows the lofty to slow the chair at loading by pushing it forward just before bums hit seats. Detach doesn't have a hinge like this.

    Have a look up next time you sit on one. It's a fairly small clamp around the cable.

    Agree my 3m lever is a bit exaggerated but it's distance of the tower from the cable is what we are looking at.

    It makes sense to me that after the clamp let's go the chair is hanging lose over the cable hence sliding before eventually falling off.
     
  9. kylep

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    I can't see a hinge in the photos I took. There might be some flex perpendicular to the cable, but not in the same plane as the cable
     
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    I'll add, to repeat post #70sumthin, that perhaps the failure was the connection pin between hanger and grip. This would be from an rotational force applied along the vertical axis of the hanger (spinning chair scenario).

    Was the hanger attached to the grip following chair stall and collision with terrain? ​
     
  11. gareth_oau

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    I suspect they have, theyve just chosen not to share that on this forum
     
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    I safely made it up Deathbarrel twice this morning, didn’t feel unsafe at all. Professionally printed sign on how to load and when one person missed the chair and faced the prospect of going up alone, they made him wait for a three to come through. Obviously much more cautious than in the past.
     
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    (Context: I was skiing there and I saw the chair myself, took a video too to send to my kids). What seemed to be happening on that one chair specifically was the wind was blowing directly through the pylon towards the chair (that was gyrating wildly) AND what was making it behave like that was there was one of those yellow advertising sign boards on the pylon at exactly the position “before” the seat of the chair.

    So it looked like the (100km/h or so) wind was making a low-pressure vortex behind that advertising sign (and ahead of the chair) causing the chair to be sucked into it, then swinging back into the full force of the wind, rinse/repeat/etc.
     
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    Wow
     
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    Canberra Times has an article this morning saying that both both Thredbo and Perisher are scheduled to meet Worksafe NSW next month over chairlift safety.
     
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    Peak Farrago. Right there.
     
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    Excellent, this is exactly the kind of follow-up that should happen. Frankly it should have happened in 2016, but better late than never.
     
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    "Preparing and enforcing policies, including drug and alcohol testing of staff at all levels."

    Good to hear.
     
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    Bahahahahahahahahahaha
     
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    That should keep the chairs on the wire
    :confused:
     
  26. azzski

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    Boilerplate.
     
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    Yes, nothing like a solid policy and a few sternly worded emails to improve whatever structural or mechanical deficiencies may be lurking around.

    It's reassuring to know that the next chair that falls off will be witnessed by a stone cold sober lifty, supported by an OH/S manager that will be able to declare that, "given the structural/mechanical nature of the incident you are best off addressing the engineers/fitters/cleaners/anyone but meeee!"
     
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    Additionally, the position will be responsible for establishing policies that will create and maintain a safe workplace in accordance with NSW Legislation.

    They don't exist already ? :emoji_astonished:
     
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    In return, you’ll get a pass to ride the mountain with the 5 longest runs in Australia....

    They're not getting it. This is a poisoned chalice. Their culture, and skill sets are appalling! Sure, Event are great at running cinemas, but over two decades as owners and managers of mechanical, structural and civil assets (sewage for eg) has shown just how incompetent they are.

    Whoever is enticed by a fekking lift ticket is not gunna be who they need.
     
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    Applicant must have extensive experience in keeping silent, and be adept at the art of arse-covering.
     
  31. telecrag

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    So straight from the PS then?
     
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    I've heard they're combining the company's cinematic skills into the mix and filming the next series of Utopia from mountain ops.
     
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    OH/S Manager on day one of the job...

    "You sir, Misstah General Manager, need a maintenance manager, a new set of ears and a lesson in how to use them..... I'm off to use my ticket now. You're welcome.
     
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  34. Alleve

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    No, but sober employees should reduce other accidents like injuries etc

    Forgive me for thinking it would be nice if we knew the lifties that help our kids get on and off the lifts aren't drunk
     
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    Pay peanuts, get junkies?

    heheh
     
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    On a side note, I noticed a cctv camera at the top station looking down the cable , on my last trip. It looked new. Don’t know if it is
     
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    It would be nice. And it's probably the case 99% of the time.

    KTs issues are a lot deeper than a hungover lifty, and a lot more dangerous to your kids.
     
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    Why assume they are ?
     
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    I don't assume they are drunk
    I'd just like to know they aren't
    It's like how I don't assume taxi drivers don't have a licence, but I still like how they show their ID at the front of the cab
     
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    Why do they even have them?
     
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    To separate people (as a means of getting people to sit in the right place)? I'm not sure honestly, it doesn't seem to work well. Cruiser and Snowgums seem to be the only lifts without them
     
  44. telecrag

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    they were all made by welding two old doubles together?
     
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    They can give you a nasty bruise on the tail bone.
     
  46. dawooduck

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    The number of different chair and safety bar formats is a little mad.

    Should standardize for the majority of the detachables going around.
     
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    I know KT employees who have been alcohol tested over the last few years so I am nature why there is this feeling that they are not tested.
     
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    I don't rightly know. More bar and foot rest combos than a Fantastic Furniture store.
     
  49. kylep

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    How about the safety bar around the outer side?
     
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    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    When the new “bubble” went in on the King line in Hirafu a few years ago the joy over it being a new high speed quad was quickly tempered by the stupid little dividers.


    They’re only small but man, those things are butt cleavers! No straddling more than one seat for you! Even if there’s no one else around.

    Ok - advantage - it does keep the spreaders to their own seat when it’s busy, but I’d rather suffer through a few chairlifts with inconsiderate spreaders than have dividers on my chairlift seats. It’s a small joy to spread out on a seat when you do go up lightly loaded.

    I noticed that the centre one was missing on the chair last year, I wonder if that was a sanctioned change or was happening unsanctioned bit by bit LOL
     
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