Geez, your getting slow in your old age NozMan. It was in the original post. Thanks for reminding people though.
I feel that Climberman is playing devils advocate too much. A bit of light trolling. I can see his point of view from what he is saying but can he see ours ? If the Parks want to run an Open Tender then why not create a new lease area within KNP ? The value of CPV (much like every Golf Course in NSW on Crown Land) is in the good will and improvements. Look at LaPerouse v LEC. The economic rationalists should know the price of everything and the value of nothing, and it's time for them to depart.
Sheezuz, not sure I'd say that out loud on the interdernet. Be careful what you wish for!If the Parks want to run an Open Tender then why not create a new lease area within KNP?
The original offer of extension contained a number of amendments. One related to ownership of the infrastructure and buildings. It looks like some sense has prevailed and this time the extension is along the same lines of the existing lease. This has only happened in the past week. A few people from CPV and the Lodges have been putting in alot of work to get to this point.Well that's what our Club President said was likely, so I'll remain unstressed ;-)
I didn't get a follow up call. What was the secondary cause?I am a bit pissed about the follow up call from change.org...
Anyone else get this?
Made me fell like shit to hang up on them but I am truly not interested in the secondary cause we seemed to have signed up for.
I received an invitation to campaign against Jetstar online booking fees. It's irrelevant to me personally, as I have a Jetstar Mastercard and don'y pay fees when I book.
I guess it's done and dusted then. There was a story the parks offered up CPV to Vail at the time of the Perisher acquisition but it was declined and they had no interest in running CPV.
Any news on the head lease. Oct for the decision is fast running out . Waiting with bated breath
Extension till April 2018 until they finalise everything. Doesn't help anyone.
I saw that, and agree, not much time to prepare for Season 2018 if you don't know what is happening or what future costs will be. By April most lodges have completed maintenance and stocked for the coming season.Extension till April 2018 until they finalise everything. Doesn't help anyone.
Yes, it is official. Lease will be Torrens Title. Need to survey, but there is a small problem of snow on the ground. Fire upgrades must progress irrespective. Secret is to do bare minimum to be in compliance.This is official?, can you confirm the authenticity of this as I will absolutely hammer my state member who will forward it on to the minister
Hopefully we can also get an extension on the fire upgrades so we don't spend the money in vain lol
Don't "they" realise the pain being inflicted on taxpayers
What do you mean by the lease will be Torrens Title?Yes, it is official. Lease will be Torrens Title. Need to survey, but there is a small problem of snow on the ground. Fire upgrades must progress irrespective. Secret is to do bare minimum to be in compliance.
So my thinking was not so crazy after all. Hang on this is a legs post I'm reading, maybe I'm crazier than i thought?It's quite puzzling - so puzzling that I think there are some wires crossed.
I can see no logical reason why they would excise a chunk of national park, convert it to Torrens (or separate Torrens lots for various lodges etc) and lease it out. Separate leases of bits of the park for individual footprints for lodges etc is how Perisher works and how, I assume, current leases in Charlottes work so surveys are already done. Unless there is some dastardly plan to flog off the freehold down the track.
Wow, just wow. Far out brussell sprout wow.From NPWS:
Dear Charlotte Pass sub-lessee
Below is a status update on the Charlotte Pass Management Review and Head lease:
- The parties to a head lease for Charlotte Pass Village have arrived at agreed terms that are now subject to final government approval.
- OEH is proposing an extension to the current head lease, the Kosciuszko Alpine Club lease and all sub-leases for 6 months to finalise arrangements and a survey for the head lease area and sub-leases. Surveys are required because the Village has been converted to Torrens title.
- The formal documentation to enable extensions will be forwarded in the near future once final government approval has occurred.
Maybe, but I assume that NPWS will be the landlord, not the lodges etc. Normally the owner is the person with management rights, not the tenant.Ok that is a bit weird. I wonder if they are proposing something a bit like community title. This is kind of like strata title but for a group of blocks of land. Some are gated estates some are not. There is a governing body/neighbourhood association that owns (or leases in this case) all the common property but each individual lot is actually torrens title.
I meant that their may be head lease holder who acted like the neighbourhood association. So the lodges are torrens title but there is leasholder who is another level of authority that the lodge owners need to deal with.Maybe, but I assume that NPWS will be the landlord, not the lodges etc. Normally the owner is the person with management rights, not the tenant.
I'm not sure that I understand what you mean. It sounds as though you are describing a Thredbo style head lease/sub-lease system, which does not require Torrens title.I meant that their may be head lease holder who acted like the neighbourhood association. So the lodges are torrens title but there is leasholder who is another level of authority that the lodge owners need to deal with.
It's Crown land.So is the Kosi Nat Park Crown land or a Torrens Title already
Certainly the lease for Charlotte Pass being over 100 years old would be what Old System or any number of other things so going to Torrens Title with Govt or NPWS owning it and leasing it would make sense, however some indigenous people might claim ownership in the process lol
There is no way the Torrens Title land could be purchased by an outsider, so why the hold up on negotiations, what is expected to change with a survey. Maybe NPWS are going to claw back some land as I believe the head lease goes right up stillwell as well as other areas