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Discussion in 'Charlotte Pass' started by Donzah, Jul 23, 2018.
I thought we have been assured the Australian ski industry due to failing snowfall was doomed......................
Could someone put a line on the resort map to show where this is please
Does it really open actual new terrain ?
What level of terrain would it be
Construction of a new surface lift towards Mount Stilwell
Long overdue as far as my opinion of the place goes.
Would've thought upgrading media coms and live webcams would stamp their seriousness in remaining competitive in the ski market.
They are responding to it.
Year round resort activities sounds good, hannels spur hike trail maybe.
The snowmaking is designed to extend the season at both ends
The big investment shows belief long term, inspite of the doomsdayers, different thing
The hardest thing to achieve, just ask every resort that has tried bar Thredbo
Longer seasons, fewer runs. Not a great result for an advanced skier, but....
Correct but the masses bring in the coin so will take that
All subject to approval of course, but the release says TOWARDS Mount Stillwell - it's anyone's guess but it Mount Stillwell is top of Kangaroo Ridge, SW of the village. I think it's unlikely to summit Stillwell, but probably halfway up the Kanga Ridge to the North, or the stepped ridge to the South of the village.
Is that new terrain ?
Can not lose,
Either climate stays same and they extend the viable season with better facilities
- or -
it's the last resort standing with viable snow in Australia full stop - thus picking up the 'end of days' cashed-up die-hard skiers at premium prices.
The release says it is.
<---------------------------------- So would the new terrain be further that way ?
Stab in the dark if it was me and I was looking to expand terrain with a surface tow.
Not a lot of options in that bowl other than lifting it to the Stillwell Spur (given a T-Bar has to run with the fall line...ignoring any chance of major earthworks).
Purely speculation though.
Looks like it would be a few metres short on Thredbo's 'highest lifted point in Aus' if it did hit this spur.
That's the direction of Stillwell, yes.
Jeepers...........does their lease area extend around that far ?
Lease goes pretty much to Trapyard Creek, I think. But when have facts got in the way of your pontification?
No way will it go where your red line goes Pow because there are too many grand old snowgums there. More likely it'll go from the tiny pond in that diagram up towards the shoulder of Stilwell at about the 2000 contour. This is good terrain which I've skied on teles. Also down thru the trees where your red line is, the trees are beautifully spaced and there's even a natural glade or two which would make for amazing skiing. Interestingly, these slopes are pretty much north facing yet they hold the snow really well
Overall I'm excited by this. Charlottes deserves a bit of love. And I think Richard makes a good point. It's win/win whatever the scenario
Oversnow access with no overnight parking in perisher the big limiting factor.
Maybe its a new access lift
Yeah, as I say stab in the dark.
Your suggestion would mean it’s a walk up hill if the triple isn’t running, but still it’s fun to dream...
Duplicate from the fb post:
10 MILLION DOLLAR, 10 YEAR MASTERPLAN ANNOUNCED
Charlotte Pass Snow Resort Pty Ltd (CPSR) today announced a 10 million-dollar, 10 Year Capital Investment program for the resort.
This unprecedented investment at Charlotte Pass will see an increase in lifting capacity and the expansion of accessible terrain, through the installation of a brand-new Surface Lift towards Mount Stilwell and the replacement of the Basin Poma with a new surface lift.
The snow season will be extended to operate from the June to October long weekend each year, with the installation of automated snowmaking to cover the Kosciuszko Triple Chair (to Mid-Station), Kosi Carpet and Basin Poma areas.
The ‘Grand Old Lady of the Mountains’, the Kosciuszko Chalet Hotel will be undergoing a major refurbishment of all guest rooms, food and beverage outlets.
The Charlotte Pass Oversnow Transport fleet will be expanded, with 2 additional Oversnow vehicles. Charlotte Pass will also be investing in a range of initiatives to improve the environmental performance of the resort.
This investment will also see the development of Year-Round activation of the resort, including the construction of conference and multifunction facilities at the Kosciuszko Chalet Hotel. The resort will also move towards the provision of Accommodation, Food & Beverage facilities Year-Round, as well as the operation of the Kosciuszko Triple Chair during peak periods.
Kevin Blyton, Chairman of the Blyton Group said “today’s announcement demonstrates our commitment to the long-term growth of Charlotte Pass Snow Resort. We believe this investment over the next 10 years will transform Charlotte Pass, building on its legacy as an on-snow experience like no other”.
The Charlotte Pass 10 Year Masterplan will deliver the following new initiatives from 2019 onwards:
Extended Snow Season
• The Charlotte Pass Snow season will operate from the June to October long weekend each year (subject to snow conditions).
Installation of next generation automated snowmaking system - Snowmaking system to cover the Kosciuszko Triple Chair (to Mid-Station), Kosi Carpet & Basin Poma
• Construction of new pumping station
• New underground piping & electrical cabling
• Installation of fully automated snow making guns
Refurbishment of the Kosciuszko Chalet Hotel - Retaining its heritage characteristics while upgrading the standard of accommodation
• Upgrade of all guest rooms and suites
• Upgrade and re-configuration of Adams Cocktail Lounge
• Upgrade of The Cellar Bar.
• Expansion of Gift Shop and General Store.
• Re-configuration of hotel heating and plumbing systems.
Replacement of Basin Poma lift with a new surface lift - Next generation surface lift tailored specifically to beginners
• Undertake feasibility and Environmental Impact study.
• Preparation of Development Application and Environmental Impact statement.
• Installation of surface lift to replace Basin Poma, with greater lifting capacity than the existing Poma
Construction of a new surface lift towards Mount Stilwell - This will significantly expand the skiable terrain on offer at the Resort
• Undertake feasibility and Environmental Impact study.
• Preparation of Development Application and Environmental Impact statement.
• Installation of new surface lift towards Mount Stilwell, with associated underground power and communication cabling as required.
Expansion of oversnow fleet - Ensuring ongoing rapid, safe and reliable access to the resort
• Purchase of 2 additional Oversnow vehicles
Continue to improve the environmental performance of Charlotte Pass
• Replacement of automated Programmable Logic Controllers used in connection with the operation of the Sewerage Treatment Plant (STP).
• Construction of roof over outdoor tanks at the STP, improving the overall energy efficiency.
• Re-cladding of STP buildings.
• Sealing of roads within the resort.
• Development of stormwater monitoring program.
• Increased investment in energy saving initiatives.
• Development of new waste and recycling program to increase awareness.
Construction, re-configuration and refurbishment of buildings
• Construction of new staff accommodation building
• Re-configuration of current Bella Vista staff accommodation to become new Charlotte Pass Snow Centre, encompassing:
o Expanded space for further development of Children’s Snowsports programs.
o New ‘Day Lodge’ venue.
o Central Oversnow Transport Hub
• Re-configuration of Snow Centre to become dedicated Equipment Hire Centre
Implementation of Year-Round Resort Activation
• Provision of Food & Beverage Facilities Year-Round.
• Operation of the Kosciuszko Triple Chair during peak periods.
• Accommodation to be available year-round.
• Development of a Summer Events Program.
• Development of Conference & Function Facilities, with construction of multifunction facilities at rear of the Kosciuszko Chalet Hotel to facilitate functions and conferences of various sizes.
* All proposed works & timeframes are subject to NSW Government Planning Approval process
I've never been to Charlotte Pass but excited if this could compete with Thredders or Perisher
The red line is outside the lease area which only extends part way into the old snow gum forest and as Rasmhead said goes through some valuable old growth Snowgum forest that might preclude development on conservation grounds. Ramshead IMO is much closer to the mark. The t-bar itself may end up running on a north aspect but a good portion of the terrain it could open will be off easterly/north easterly faces along the higher parts of Stillwell/Kangaroo Ridge. These areas hold a butt load of snow due to wind loading even with some parts of it being north easterly in aspect. If it does get up around the 2000m as Ramshead suggests it will also bring some other off piste out of bounds options into play with minimal effort, areas currently reserved for ski tourers - a plus for more experienced skiers. I wonder if the base of the Stillwell lift will be level with or below the top station of the new basin surface beginner lift, in which case a traverse to access on windy days might be possible. Other thing worth noting is the snowmaking up Kangaroo Chair, this area already holds a lot of snow with the easterly face loading up, add some automated snowmaking and you might get a lift with some very decent early season options depending on which fall lines are within the snowmaking area.
Will still be tiny, but charming, resort.
Pardon me ?
Speculatively, something a little more like this, perhaps.
As i say, still uphill of the village if the triple 'aint running, but y'all get the idea.
I would say this yellow line approximately represents the lease area.
Smaller - mostly (?) live-in - no big lines. But it's high and fresh snow stays dry longer. Great base for day tours/side country.
Interesting development. Would be great if they can corner a bit more of the growing summer market - something they must have confidence in to spend the $$.. upgrading parking in summer must surely be part of the strategy cause it gets awful busy up on the road near the circle.
I’d already planned to head up next week on the cheap day pass with a few others and do a little skinning to Stilwell and also take a look out near Guthrie’s trig. Skinned from Spencer’s to Stilwell then back into the village after all the resorts were done for 2017 and snow was holding up ok. Albeit in a good snow season.....
Will get some pics......
What sort of weekly head flow do they get now?
Better winter offerings will be a big reward for the (somewhat long suffering and patient) lodges and members, and a drive for summer operation is great for CP, the public and the region. With some revamp of the hotel it’d be a fantastic place to base yourself for a few days in summer.
Press Release in my email this morning.
I've uploaded the PDF to Donzah's OP.
The " year round operation" is an obvious nod to the "great alpine walk" or whatever they are calling it.
They will need expanded summer car parking IMO
I Wonder what this means for the opening of the CP road, post "normal" ski season.
Based on the number in the carpark the first few weekends once the road opens, they cold probably do a tidy trade in offering accom and meals to BC enthusiasts just for those couple of week(ends) a year.
Not having to drive back to jindy for feed, or island bend for a campsite would be nice.
Look what happens when you get a head lease organized .
Hmmm Perisher next?
Skied at Charlotte a couple of times with regulars. The "Stillwell Spur", or the subsidiary peak above Wrights Creek, that area is called the Foxhole. The whole area is skied as sidecountry/lift access BC, coming down behind the lodges or also out to Wrights Creek and back around.
I would suggest the surface lift would actually start at the top of the chair and go further up the ridge south from there.
I would put it there .... some nice skiing in there .
That's a bit harsh ain't it? (/:-/)
It's ok ... we're mates , but maybe not after that hahaha
Charlotte's is nothing like the other resorts thank Dog.
CP lease area.
What POW_hungry said, but manage your expectations, some of this was envisaged* back when it changed hands 10 years ago. I was in the Chalet at the race badge presentations when it was contemplated.
"The Charlotte Pass 10 Year Masterplan will deliver the following new initiatives from 2019 onwards:"
Upgrading critical infrastructure in the Chalet and sewage treatment plant will save a lot of money just on heating. It could cut heating costs to a third.
"Purchase of 2 additional Oversnow vehicles"
Long overdue, just having backups will be a major plus. Basically you can't just turn up at Perisher and get there, just not acceptable these days.
Having the resort open at the start of the school holidays would help get more bookings.
There is a LOT of construction envisaged*, just sealing the roads is a huge undertaking.
contemplate or conceive of as a possibility or a desirable future event.
Looks like iut will be ready for VAIL in 2022?
I'll eat my hat...
Imagine returning from a late Oct spring ski and sitting down to a fresh cloudy draught Kosciuszko Pale Ale out the front of the Chalet in the sun. I hope NPWS lets them return it to heritage duck egg blue with pink diamonds.