Close encounter with unidentified snake

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  1. weerab

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    I almost stood on this little beauty last week. It was near the little creek at the bottom of the Bungalow Spur on Mt Feathertop. It was very subdued possibly because of the rain and allowed me to take a couple of shots. I'm not sure if it is a dark coloured tiger or a black, I have not been this close to a snake for a while. Any thoughts?
     

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  2. Seth

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    Looks very similar to one I saw at Cope Hut this afternoon.

    Also quite subdued but I wasn’t going to stick around too long.
     
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    Copperhead?
     
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    Red Bellied Black I'd say.
     
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    Although the brownish head on him makes me think differently. Might be a highland copperhead.

    There's also a touch of brown on his underside showing, rather than the red you normally get on red bellies.
     
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    Here is what I saw today.

    Quite pleased that there is a good facility at Cope Hut after seeing it too.
     
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    It would be better off dead :out:
     
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    You can only truly identify them by the scale pattern on their head or by performing a bite detection identification test on the victim after envenomation.
    Tiger’s can be brown, black, striped or rainbow unicorn in colour.
    Brown’s vary in brownness.
     
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    Bad teckel, bad :whistle::eek:
     
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    Was wandering around in long grass today. Looking at this thread.makes me happy it was in NZ!
     
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    Don't forget, they are tasty!
     
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    I wouldn't know. I've never tried to bite one.

    But only because they'd prolly be able to bite me faster than I could bite them.
     
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    Must refrain.
     
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    You didn't rise to the occasion?
     
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  16. neilmny

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    Most likely a Highland Copperhead. Putting aside the black colouration of weerabs photo this linked example shows the same head scale pattern and the yellowish underbelly of werabs photo. Seth you should have got in a bit closer for us :whistle:
    http://photos.rnr.id.au/2010/04/03/Austrelaps_ramsayi_Wulgumerang100403-6171.jpg

    Why would you kill it? Copperheads are beautiful critters and somewhat better natured than Tigers and Browns.
     
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    Agree with Neil. Both photos are of Alpine Copperheads. We have lots of them around home and I step over them at times or walk beside them without knowing until they move. There is one living in the rock pile near Cleve Cole Hut. They are considered deadly but rarely bite and are very timid.
     
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    Sphincter clenching
     
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    Same reason you kill cows, sheep, chickens and fish! Sautee in garlic and butter
     
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    They go well with Quoll and Platypus
     
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    They are beautiful creatures...just leave them alone...wearing socks boots and jeans they will not be able to bite you.....they are active ....keep your hands away from ground level be watchful where you park your
    Asse.

    Their ability to slither away into undergrowth is amazing to watch....and they are pretty too!

    Don't run around in thongs and all will be apples.Apparently those 40deg C days are making them seek shade .....some have been coming inside buildings to escape the heat.

    Team Bears wipper snip around our tables and campfires to make it harder for them to hide.Thats why we have a cult following with Kookaburras!

    Maybe some kind person can bring us upto date on snake bite treatment should it happen.

    Team Bears were having a look at Google the other day to try an identify what snakes we have seen lately.However we are not confident of identifying them...but they have many colours combinations it appears!!
     
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    Sounds like a fry up!

    My point is we are way higher on the food chain, they are not hunting you.
     
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    Skewered on echidna quill
     
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    Perhaps a bit of "Beef Jerky" when you out with friends....
     
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    That description fits most of the known universe.
     
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    There's one in Africa that stalks you! Follows you around! :eek:
     
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    Locate patient in a safe spot, preferably in shade with minimal movement required.

    Wrap the bitten limb from bottom up in compression or any bandage, leaving the toes or fingers visible for monitoring purposes. Not tight enough to hurt or turn toes or fingers blue, but really firm and as tight as patient can stand. Use T shirt material or thermal base layer material if you do not have compression bandages.

    Send for help, do not move patient any more than absolutely required. It is better the medicos come to you than you to them in most situations in Australia. It is helpful to signal the issue is a snake bite so the medicos can dig out the materials while on the way.

    Patient is to be reassured and kept relaxed and immobile.

    There is no need to capture or identify the snake, leave the snake alone unless you need to scare it away from the patient, then all energy should be spent on the patient.

    Do not clean or do anything with the wound except maybe draw a circle bout the bite site for future medico reference. Not as critical as getting patient still and relaxed.

    The anti venom available these days will treat pretty much every nasty snake in Australia. A dedicated to snake anti venom may be administered at hospital if they are able to identify the snake, usually by a swab from the bite area.
     
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    I only consider snakes to be dangerous if they are anywhere near me, say within 109m
     
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    This gives the head scale patterns for the Tas Tiger top and the White Lipped or Whip Snake below. Not really that useful given the snakes are easily different in the field. The missing one that is sometimes hard to separate from a Tas Tiger is the Tas Copper Head.
     
  31. crackson

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    I've seen cross breeds too. Only an accurate scale count can id a snake.

    Colour leads to misidentification even among handlers.

    I've had 3 this summer so far all within inches.

    Treat them all as fatal and hostile.
     
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    So I'm thinking this is a Tas Tiger. It is actually 2 Tas Tigers coiled up together. If you look very carefully to the top right you might pick up the eye of the 2nd snake. They were in this bush which was right on the edges of a picnic area that a large family group of 3 generations was sitting and having lunch with the little kids running about. One of the group gave the heads up that a snake had gone into this bush when I went to walk past to get water. It was not till later after the family had gone that I had a better look into the bush preparatory to passing it to gather water. I went somewhere else for my water after spotting these big snakes.
     
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    Nest day and 300M away I spotted this chap coiled up in the low heath beside (3M away) the track. There was no overhead cover so he was not frightened of being picked up by a bird. Just looking to soak up what little sun there was that day. Again this was a big fat Tas Tiger I'm thinking.
     
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    Any experts out there?
    I have a pile of mulch at the back of the shop. In the spring on the first warm day, I noticed that it had been disturbed by some animal. Then it got cold again, and on the next warm day it was disturbed again. Was it possibly a snake wintering in there? Or some other animal? Figure that if a snake, it would be a good time to get a snake catcher in on a cold day.
     
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    I'm struck by the jet black colour and complete lack of any banding whatsoever to give any hint as to whether it's a tiger or not.
    Great photos though.
     
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    @Chondro is the snake buff isn't he? It doesn't look like a red belly to me. Scales too big. #uneducatedopinion
     
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    My experience is Tas Tigers rarely have obvious stripes, particularity about St Clair. I have seen some ripper stripes down South Coast way.

    They maybe copper heads, I just can't find the copper head head scale diagram at present.
     
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    I wish I got a photo of the Brown I saw at Yorkes in Oct 2015, saw a few but 1 in particular was a monster, would've been an easy 2m.
     
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    Usually due to them being so far south, and having the much darker scales to absorb as much sunlight as possible?
     
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    Similar to this big fat bugger caught in SE Qld?
     
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    I saw one under a piece of tin near Cleve Cole hut about 15 years ago, maybe it's progeny live on
     
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    How to tell the difference between a lowland copperhead and a tiger? Are you in a swamp? the wetter the environment the more likely it's a copper head.
     
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    Well it was a gravel road (I think the crow eaters call them white mettle? spelling?) a comfortable 2 and a half car widths wide and this bugger was taking somewhere between a third-to-half the road as he/she slithered across.
     
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    Where?
     
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    The colouration on some of the lowland copperheads is beautiful
     
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    They are having sex. You just posted porno pics of snakes.
     
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    Can everyone just give me some quiet time please?
     
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    East side of Shadow Lake, Tas.
     
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    Only two people died of snake bite in 2016 source. Two people were also killed by dogs and bees. 8 people were killed by riding horses. 18 people died falling from a ladder. 13 people died in the bath tub and 23 people died in a swimming pool. By your logic all dogs, bees, horses, ladders, bath tubs and swimming pools should be treated as fatal and hostile.
     
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    #snakezilla