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Advice needed Combined father son private lesson WTF

Discussion in 'Snow Talk' started by adsman, Jul 1, 2019.

  1. adsman

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    So my sister-in-law doesn't want her son 6yo to go into ski school. She would rather her son and husband share a private lesson. Neither of them have ever skied before and only saw snow for the first time last year. My SIL has the view that ski school instructor are all stoners and are not appropriate to look after kids. It seems no amount of logic can dissuade from her position.

    Anyone got any tips to bring her around? Would an instructor even take on this type of father/son lesson?
     
  2. Legs Akimbo

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    I'm not sure where you are skiing, but at Thredbo and Perisher all kids' instructors are dual qualified - ski instructors and kindy/early childhood teachers (or they were - check with the ski school). That should calm her worries.

    Adults and kids learn differently and an instructor will use different methods and language. A combined lesson would be a disaster.
     
  3. parkmonkey

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    They are skiing not snowboarding aren't they, i understand the concern for snowboarders
     
  4. adsman

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    Heading to Falls Creek Aug/Sept. I've had a number of friend's kids go through ski school without issue. I also know a few instructors who worked there few years back and are now at Whistler so I have a good understanding of their qualifications. But apparently because i don't have kids I don't understand.
     
  5. adsman

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    Yeah skiing
     
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    Snow Blowey Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Oh my. SIL obviously hasn't taken a kid skiing before. Its not the sport for a Pedophile to chose. Lesson would be over before you got all the gear off for the fiddle. Thats why i taught swimming - much easier.

    If she is only worried about the safety aspect - ask her how an instructor is gong to look after the kid better when they have to look after the father at the same time.

    Surely you trust your 6 year old to have some independence - i mean they do go to school on their own 5 days a week.

    A good instructor for the kid, may not be the best instructor for the father. The kiddie ones teach it like its a game. Bit more factual when teaching an adult.
     
  8. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Pay enough money, and they will do what ever lesson you like! Probably even bump someone else!
     
  9. Ozgirl

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    Unfortunately no they aren't

    Some don't even have their Lvl 1 cert for instructing.

    However they do have their working with children checks.

    But I also don't think it's a bad idea for them to be combined if that's what she wants. No need to talk sense into her.

    However equally there is nothing wrong with splitting them. She knows her kid. They kid might thrive with peers or might thrive with dad.
     
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    That's disappointing.
     
  11. Ozgirl

    Ozgirl A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Its really not that bad.

    They make sure they will be good with kids. But they have to start somewhere.

    Lost of resorts hire from the hiring clinic and they get certified during the season.
     
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    Snow Blowey Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    perhaps shes a nervous helicopter parent. Like the dad that told his 7 year old not to touch the fire at local bonfire i went to on Saturday night. WTF - if you don't learn how to interact with fire in that environment when do you learn how to interact with fire. No wonder we have so many scared useless people in the world.
     
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    Sounds like you are going to have an awesome trip.....

    Our eldest has had a few private lessons with her mum as she is slightly more advanced, and it can work, but she is also older.

    Sounds like the six year old is going to be the only child on the holiday? Ski school is great for the social aspect for the kids as they will make friends and learn at the same time.

    I’ve found with people staying with us, that really they felt the family holiday should be about spending time together.... for me it’s about everyone having fun.

    As others have said she knows her kid and their may be an underlying issue you don’t know about so I would tread carefully.
     
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    It could be a great father son bonding experience fondly remembered for years to come. Or dad might get cold hurty fingers, fall over, bruise his knee and throw a tanty. Then son will beg to be put into ski school. A win either way.
     
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    zac150 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Or is this really about you not getting sibling revenge? Taking your brother up the hill, on a not so suitable run, waiting for him to fall over and then spraying him with snow?
     
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    Divorce your other half so your SIL is no longer family LOL
     
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    the ‘not appropriate’ is mythology, isn’t it?
    a private lesson with two people of such different age is an odd proposition, especially a kid that young
    I think a kids’ class would work better for the kid
    the dad would be ok in a class with other adults, or a private lesson
     
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    There’s a reasonable chance that the kid will learn much faster and dad will just slow everything down
     
  19. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    This was the case with a friend of mine.
    She (mid 50s) did a first timer snowboard lesson with her two sons (15 and 17). It took her all of 15 minutes to give up on the lesson and head for the bar.
    After telling the boys she would book a ski lesson for herself the next day instead of trying again with them, they said “why bother, you suck”. Nice.
    I firmly believe if she had had a snowboard lesson one on one or in an group of older adults, or group of women that she would’ve had a MUCH better experience.
     
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    Or it's his brother's wife...
     
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    It takes all different folks and all different strokes for those folks. And sometimes the less effective option is chosen, and later they’ll come to realise it may have been better going the other way. But maybe not.

    Kid might be clingy and not want to do a group lesson with other kids.
    He may be a bit ADHD and parents are worried he would disrupt a class and be a ratbag.
    He may have difficulty picking up these kind of skills and they don’t want to expose him to feeling the slowest in the group. So many possibilities. The ski instructors are all stoners may just be a cover story for other anxieties.

    Mum may just be freaked about her baby being out in the hill without her and wants Dad to be there (even though he will likely be useless). I was a bit like that with mine - terrified they’d get hurt - that’s why I learned to ride! But I didn’t accompany them in lessons!

    Let her make her choices.
    The instructor chosen for a private will be more experienced than the instructor for a group beginner class - because they get paid more for a private and there is seniority priority. So the instructor will be able to deal with both - it will just be a compromise. Instead of all about Dad it all about son they’ll have the share the time 50/50.
     
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    gareth_oau Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    yeah but you can't divorce your brother:rolleyes:

    ((and boy have I tried!!)
     
  23. Telemark Phat

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    This has changed. Everyone has to have their level 1 before instructing now. WWC has been standard for a long time.
     
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    Most instructors don't enjoy teaching family privates because they know they could get better results with either only the parent or the child, and you're generally left feeling like either the Adult or the Child didn't get as good a lesson as they might. Some, like myself enjoy them.

    If your BIL is a first timer he wont have an understanding of the resort environment. Any ski instructor will be more able to ensure the saftey of your neice/nephew.

    If your SIL has concerns about her child requiring extra care due to any sort of cognitive disability she should check out Disabled WIntersports Australia who can offer assistance in booking cheaper privates. There are instructors who specialise in just these sorts of kids.
     
  25. MarzNC

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    Silly question . . . is SIL going to ski at all? Ever? Where did they see snow last year? Besides you, who else do they know who likes to ski? Are they all men?

    If she wants to pay for a father-son private, better to spend your time finding out a few names of experienced instructors to recommend. After the first lesson, talk to your brother. Presumably he understands his wife better than you do.
     
  26. WaitAwhile

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    The kid is probably going to be pissed off at the end of the day , after dad needs everything explained to him 3 or 4 times.
    and then has to wait all the time for Dad as he is being super cautious about falling over and not hurting himself.
    The teaching methods are also probably slightly different .
    The methods used on a six year are not quite the same as a grown adult, especially if they are both learning at the same time, an instructor that is really good with young children may be considered ditzy by an adult dad or just plain stupid.
    But dad is looking at it from an adults perspective , not as a child.
    Good luck , and am assuming they are only there for a day or two.
     
  27. absentskier

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    Yes all of those possibilities exist, but I suspect the OP wouldn’t be asking the question in that case.

    All things being equal, absent any of the types of considerations raised by LMB, it’s a really bad idea.
     
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    For first timers, dont do it. Had that experience with my extended family. Kid fell over first run, looked at mum and dad and had a tanty and didnt want to get up off the snow.

    Put the kid in a group lesson the following day with no parent to complain too and the kid flourished. 2 days later the kid was better than parents.
     
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    I can't see the father and son thing working. Having learned as an adult (and taking an age to get the basics) and puttting my son into lessons as a four year old, he learned way faster than me. Plus you've got the problem of two potentially conflicting points of authority that the kid feels obliged to pay attention to etc.

    Just not a good idea.
     
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    I'm gonna say she's an anti-vaxxer too.
     
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    ROFL
     
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  32. LMB

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    Ha!
    I thought that comment was from @teckel
    @parkmonkey you very naughty boy!
    LOL
     
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    I'm so glad that you have a healthy sense of humour @LMB :thumbs:
     
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    At Hotham, all instructors:
    • Have the working with children check
    • Are APSI level 1 or higher (one cannot work there if not L1)
    • Are subject to the drug/alcohol policy (random testing, 0.00 BAC requirement)
    If SIL still needs the father/son private, I'm sure that can also be facilitated...
     
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    [​IMG]

    :)
     
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    lol. I had the same thought too.
     
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    It can probably work ok, but kid in class and dad with a private is probably optimal
     
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    Only if by "probably" you mean "maybe", and set the bar for "work ok" very low. Personally, I think this is setting it up to fail, but each to their own.
     
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    Family privates = no one benefits
     
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    And for what it's worth placing a child in ski school age appropriate groups, among other things, help develop important social interaction skills. Kids have fun in an age-appropriate social environment and are pushed at a level appropriate to their age, physical development and skill level.
     
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    Some beginner kids' instructors are great and some are pretty hopeless. With a class lesson you don't know which you are going to get. with a private, even with dad in tow, you are unlikely to get any inexperienced instructor who is only there to party. I don't think it's clear cut that the joint private is a disastrous idea
     
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    Apart from the owner of the wallet LOL
     
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    Especially if have a name or two to request. Might not get that instructor, but more likely to get a good instructor. Presumably the ski school wants to make both never-ever parent and kid happy in the hopes that both will take more lessons and get hooked.

    Must say I'm a bit surprised at the intensity of the thinking that a semi-private father-son will be a disaster. When I put "family private lesson" into Google, the N. American resorts that popped up included Whistler, Breckenridge, Winter Park, Keystone, Telluride, and others. There are a few places that suggest separate lessons are better because kids, teens, and adults learn differently. Family dynamic and personality plays a big part in how well, or not, a semi-private family lesson is going to work IMO.

    The description for Keystone:
    "Family Private Lessons are available at both the River Run and Mountain House base areas. Please be sure to double check your lesson confirmation to assure you arrive at the appropriate location. Both base areas are accessible via Keystone’s in-resort transportation system or, free paid parking is included with your private lesson.

    Our unique Family Private Lesson allows you and up to 5 additional family members—or friends—of any age to enjoy quality time together on-snow while progressing your skills. Family Private Lessons will typically cater to the youngest/least experienced member of the group, but our coaches will provide instruction to all. Look forward to a memorable experience for all and endless smiles (they’re free!)."

    Before beginning the lesson, your designated coach will spend time with your crew, learning about your progression goals for the lesson and creating a custom curriculum for your day together.
     
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    I think you have a misapprehension about the direction in which the cash flows.
     
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    They're happy to take your money and make you feel good about it even if it's not the best option.
     
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    Ding!!!!
     
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    there is nothing wrong with accommodating the lowest denominator.
    those more experienced should do the lower drills and maybe will improve their won technique
     
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    It always seems to flow out. But having to fund one shared lesson instead of two or more separate private lessons will cause less of the haemorrhaging
     
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    Not that it matters much at this point, but the OP's question was for a father and son who are both first timer skiers. So the question is a matter of the reality that adults and kids learn differently. Or at least most adults can't be as relaxed as most kids.

    Just for fun I did a Google Search on "family private lesson." Saw that it's a possibility not only at destination resorts such as Whistler, Keystone, and Telluride, but also pops up for some smaller mountains that cater more to locals or families on a tighter budget. The places that offer the option have good reputations as popular choices for families in general.
     
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    For sure! But the thread moved on from the OP, and i was just making a comment on that.

    I want everyone to enjoy the snow. if a family private is the difference between them trying or not doing it at all, well its worth a go.
     
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